The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't understand   WHY it is so freakin important to completely dismantle ALL the assets WITH the same team.   

What is so golden about the Clippers , we don't owe them anything.  Are they going to hang a banner with the CELTICS name on it or something.?  this whole thing is stupid

This makes no sense ......has Danny not tried to trade KG and PP to other teams  .....this seems like alot of catering by the Celtics to appease certain people...there is surely better deals out there ......I think Ainge has lost his mind....

How about handing over ALL OUR ASSETS for  OMAR ASIK  and helping Houston ....they could use KG there with DH and CP3 as well ?

This just seems screwy that Danny is kissing up a stupid team  no one cares about in Celtic land to destroy the Celtics.....almost paying them to Take the Celtics coach, and two alstar players .

Are the owners aware of the destruction going on in the name of the LA CLIPPERS?

[CelticSooner]

This is getting ridiculous. Clippers want their cake and to eat it too. Either you're all in for a title run or you aren't. I guess that's why their the Clippers...

[Casperian]

Celtics are waiting to hear from Clippers on a couple of options that would give Boston payroll flexibility in Doc Rivers deal, sources say.

Ken berger



Celtics and Clippers haven't gone to sleep. Sides still mulling offers.

SteveBHoop

This kind of report is a little depressing.  Looks like Butler gets included with Lee and/or Jet going.  Maybe a good move in the long run but not very exciting -- no assets other than DJ and the pick.

Danny is getting bent over here smh

In his defense, the Clippers have us by the balls.

If Doc wants to join them, what is he supposed to do? Keep a coach who doesn´t want to work for you? That´s a recipe for disaster.

If Doc doesn't want to coach here, he can sit out 3 years.

Look, if it was up to me, we´d play hardball, too, but it isn´t. Doc is holding all the cards.

These things happen all the time in european soccer. When this trend started, many clubs tried to play hardball and keep their star player, and almost all of them regretted it. Too many bridges burnt, no matter what the involved parties stated publicly, and everyone lost one way or another. It has come to a point where most people simply accept that you can´t keep a player who doesn´t want to play for you.
And this problem only gets compounded when it comes to head coaches, because of their unique position.

I think there is no way for Doc to come back after the last few weeks and act like nothing happened. Sacks knows it, I´m sure Danny knows it, too, and now it´s just about saving face.

[LooseCannon]

Since we all seem to agree we aren't a contender next year.  I don't see how it matters really who coaches.  Doc coaches next year and doesn't like loosing and rebuilding and resigns at the end of the year.  Fine, move on.  Doc resigns before the start of the season because he doesn't want to coach a rebuilder, fine move on.  How is either option a disaster for the C's?

I think fans here are in disagreement about whether or not the Celtics can position themselves to have the assets and flexibility to acquire a star to add a core that may include Rondo, Bradley, Green, and Sullinger (I think they can, but may have to trade one of those players) or if the team needs to completely blown up (with the extreme end of that believing that the next contending window should probably have no one on the current team, except maybe Sullinger) before it can be good again.

There's not really a good compromise like delaying the blow-up for one year because the latter group wants the team to be as bad as possible specifically for the 2014 draft.

I'd have been happy to run it back, keep KG/Pierce/Doc, and have Ainge try to make the best deals that don't involve giving up draft picks for anyone less than an All-Star caliber player, and asking KG to waive his no-trade and allow the team to get something for him if it is below .500 at the All-Star break.  I'm not sure if Ainge would be on board with that since I suspect he may have been trying to tank by refusing to get the best available veterans once Rondo was injured so that he had a longshot chance to get lucky in the lottery (the Derrick Rose scenario) and get a draft pick that would allow him to reload rather than rebuild.

[connor]

No Bledsoe and now they won't eat one of our bad contracts? Thats just downright insulting for them to think that they can hose us like that.

Pull out entirely. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. them if this is how they want to play it. Let them get a worse deal elsewhere.

I don't even care if they come back saying they will take on one of our bad contracts. If I am Danny this whole thing is over. We can sort out the messy Doc situation ourselves, whether he coaches or goes to the broadcaster booth doesn't matter.

The Clippers have overplayed their hand and they shouldn't get anything in return at this point.

I hope CP3 walks.

[WeMadeIt17]

Seriously i am sick of this. Get something done already. The only thing is i hope this is taking long so we can get Bledsoe to swap him in another deal.

[goCeltics]

screw this deal, start rebuild anyway and let doc join the botth and kg retire better than this crap we getting from the clips, sterling is who he is, cheap.

[LooseCannon]

This is getting ridiculous. Clippers want their cake and to eat it too. Either you're all in for a title run or you aren't. I guess that's why their the Clippers...

It's not stupid for them to want to leave a little in the cupboard so that their bench isn't Jamal Crawford, Willie Green, and a bunch of a Ryan Hollins-type players.

[Neurotic Guy]

I'm confused why people are upset about this. If we can unload Terry and/or Lee that is a win.

I really don't care about Doc, and KG's 25 mpg will be missed but it is time to turn the page.

If you don't like Jordan that's fine, but it would give us a center + he could be a chip in the future.

Why is unloading Terry/Lee a win? Cap space isn't a big deal when you're rebuilding. It's more important to add young assets like Bledsoe.

Indeed, which is why the C's asked for Bledsoe first.

Once that wasn't going to happen, then clearing salary became the focus.

And yes its very important for a rebuild because cap space = freedom. Freedom to make uneven trades, freedom to sign big impact FAs, and freedom to facilitate trades and acquire assets for it.

I guess the freedom is a factor if the C's can really get under the cap.  But I count 44M or so (if Lee AND Terry go) in salary next year -- and that's with Pierce completely off the books and no #1 pick salary.  Not sure what freedom that provides in the short-term.

[goCeltics]

we not getting salary relief for 2 years, danny stop trying to undo the crap you did last summer by doing more crappy moves

[CelticSooner]

This is getting ridiculous. Clippers want their cake and to eat it too. Either you're all in for a title run or you aren't. I guess that's why their the Clippers...

It's not stupid for them to want to leave a little in the cupboard so that their bench isn't Jamal Crawford, Willie Green, and a bunch of a Ryan Hollins-type players.

They had the best bench in the league last season and how far did it get them? To get something you have to give up something.

[blink]

Since we all seem to agree we aren't a contender next year.  I don't see how it matters really who coaches.  Doc coaches next year and doesn't like loosing and rebuilding and resigns at the end of the year.  Fine, move on.  Doc resigns before the start of the season because he doesn't want to coach a rebuilder, fine move on.  How is either option a disaster for the C's?

I think fans here are in disagreement about whether or not the Celtics can position themselves to have the assets and flexibility to acquire a star to add a core that may include Rondo, Bradley, Green, and Sullinger (I think they can, but may have to trade one of those players) or if the team needs to completely blown up (with the extreme end of that believing that the next contending window should probably have no one on the current team, except maybe Sullinger) before it can be good again.

There's not really a good compromise like delaying the blow-up for one year because the latter group wants the team to be as bad as possible specifically for the 2014 draft.

I'd have been happy to run it back, keep KG/Pierce/Doc, and have Ainge try to make the best deals that don't involve giving up draft picks for anyone less than an All-Star caliber player, and asking KG to waive his no-trade and allow the team to get something for him if it is below .500 at the All-Star break.  I'm not sure if Ainge would be on board with that since I suspect he may have been trying to tank by refusing to get the best available veterans once Rondo was injured so that he had a longshot chance to get lucky in the lottery (the Derrick Rose scenario) and get a draft pick that would allow him to reload rather than rebuild.

My response was about Doc having us by the you know what.  How does your response even relate to my comments?  I agree that there are two or more sides to the approach to rebuilding.  I only said that I don't think it matters who coaches us next year since we aren't a contender anyways. 

[j804]

The Clippers, meanwhile, believe that the deal will guarantee that Paul re-signs with the team when he becomes a free agent July 1. And if they can successfully acquire Garnett in tandem with Rivers as their replacement for coach Vinny Del Negro, sources briefed on L.A.'s thinking say that the club would then pursue Paul Pierce in an attempt to reunite all three Celtics mainstays at the Staples Center. The Clippers would also then still have Bledsoe in the latter scenario as a trade chip to pursue additional roster upgrades to ensure Paul's signature on a new contract.

http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9396044

They want to make off like bandits and try and land Dwight for Bledsoe/Griffin. And snatch Pierce who do they think they are? Don't do it Danny.

[SHAQATTACK]

When the Celtic accountants see how the revenues go to hell ......let that news land in  Dannys lap  ........he'll be shipped to the Clippers as well ....for FREE

the luxury tax might seem cheap ....when you consider all the lost revenue from tossing the stars out the door.

Fielding a team with a turd like Vinnie Del Cheapo  and bunch of scrubs is not going to pay the bill or attract TV money...

What a mess.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

No Bledsoe and now they won't eat one of our bad contracts? Thats just downright insulting for them to think that they can hose us like that.

Pull out entirely. **** them if this is how they want to play it. Let them get a worse deal elsewhere.

I don't even care if they come back saying they will take on one of our bad contracts. If I am Danny this whole thing is over. We can sort out the messy Doc situation ourselves, whether he coaches or goes to the broadcaster booth doesn't matter.

The Clippers have overplayed their hand and they shouldn't get anything in return at this point.

I hope CP3 walks.

If every team Danny Ainge "insulted" with offers deemed unrealistic, or "insulting", by the other side, in the name of negotiating, refused to talk to The Celtics ever again there wouldn't be one team in the league left to deal with.

I'm glad our front office understands that "insulting" offers and posturing are part of NBA deal making and don't take it all so personally and principled.