The Celtic-Clipper trade talk (merged) - Clippers back out.

[Fafnir]

Chris Mannix: Boston isn't exactly giddy about DeAndre Jordan, either. He's an overpaid center who can't score or make free throws. Twitter @ChrisMannixSI

And people thought Danny was asking for a "kings ransom" by including Bledsoe?

Dunno, people were quite giddy at one about another center who can't score or make free throws... and who is currently overpaid on another team.

The love affair with Perkins can easily be chalked up to him being a fan favorite. Happens to every fan base. They value a player much more than should be.

You don't acquire a fan favorite through a trade, thus taking any inflated value out of Jordan. When he is not your binky ala Perkins, you simply look at him for what he is. Mannix is spot on.

Perkins was at least a good team defender, that's the biggest issue with Jordan.

When Perkins was shooting 60% fromt he field roughly, bricking free throws at 60%, and defending at a high level he was worth his current contract because he could defend.

[WeMadeIt17]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Clippers resistant to taking back both Lee and Terry. Another wrinkle: Both DeAndre Jordan (15%) and Jason Terry (7.5%) have trade kickers

Clippers really making this tough.

[Evantime34]

Do trade Kickers count against the soft cap? Or just the hard cap?

[Fafnir]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Will Celts settle for D. Jordan, C. Butler's expiring contract, one first-rounder and shedding either C. Lee or J. Terry? That's where are

The thing is with that cap space can we still sign Josh Smith? And then sign some deadly shooters for the bench?

If we can do that, Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Jordan isn't that... Its a good defensive team at best, and if we can have enough cap space to sign shooters on the bench it'll have a decent tandem. We'll probably re-sign Barbosa too.

We won't have cap space to get Smith, have to be via TE or sign and trade.

Moving KG for Jordan doesn't lighten our salary situation this year.

[celticinorlando]

i certainly hope butler NEVER spends one minute in a celtics uniform. I hope he is immediately dumped.

[Snakehead]

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Clippers resistant to taking back both Lee and Terry. Another wrinkle: Both DeAndre Jordan (15%) and Jason Terry (7.5%) have trade kickers

I've got a bad feeling about this.

If the Clips want these guys without giving their youth...they need to take both.

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Will Celts settle for D. Jordan, C. Butler's expiring contract, one first-rounder and shedding either C. Lee or J. Terry? That's where are

The thing is with that cap space can we still sign Josh Smith? And then sign some deadly shooters for the bench?

If we can do that, Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Jordan isn't that... Its a good defensive team at best, and if we can have enough cap space to sign shooters on the bench it'll have a decent tandem. We'll probably re-sign Barbosa too.

I would assume (dangerous to do so) that the C's would flip Butler Pierce and something else (Clippers pick?) for Smith

[celticinorlando]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Will Celts settle for D. Jordan, C. Butler's expiring contract, one first-rounder and shedding either C. Lee or J. Terry? That's where are

The thing is with that cap space can we still sign Josh Smith? And then sign some deadly shooters for the bench?

If we can do that, Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Jordan isn't that... Its a good defensive team at best, and if we can have enough cap space to sign shooters on the bench it'll have a decent tandem. We'll probably re-sign Barbosa too.

We won't have cap space to get Smith, have to be via TE or sign and trade.

Moving KG for Jordan doesn't lighten our salary situation this year.

my guess is this is where pierce comes into play

[Fafnir]

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

No they're not.

You can't say he doesn't get enough rebounds when he gets plenty of boards when he's on the court.

Like I said rebounding isn't Jordan's weakness, its one of his strengths.

[Evantime34]

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

If we trade for DeAndre he is going to play, regardless of how many free throws he misses.

THe hope is that being forced to play big minutes will help him progress rather than showcase his flaws.

[celticinorlando]

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

No they're not.

You can't say he doesn't get enough rebounds when he gets plenty of boards when he's on the court.

Like I said rebounding isn't Jordan's weakness, its one of his strengths.

celticshub ‏@CelticsHub 1m
Reminder: Kevin Garnett averaged 12.7 ppg and 13.7 rpg during postseason. DeAndre Jordan averaged 3.7 ppg and 6.7 rpg.

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Will Celts settle for D. Jordan, C. Butler's expiring contract, one first-rounder and shedding either C. Lee or J. Terry? That's where are

The thing is with that cap space can we still sign Josh Smith? And then sign some deadly shooters for the bench?

If we can do that, Rondo/Bradley/Green/Smith/Jordan isn't that... Its a good defensive team at best, and if we can have enough cap space to sign shooters on the bench it'll have a decent tandem. We'll probably re-sign Barbosa too.

We won't have cap space to get Smith, have to be via TE or sign and trade.

Moving KG for Jordan doesn't lighten our salary situation this year.

Exactly, if we are talking KG and Jordan strictly we might be taking on salary with his 15% trade kicker.... I don't get it.

[Snakehead]

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

No they're not.

You can't say he doesn't get enough rebounds when he gets plenty of boards when he's on the court.

Like I said rebounding isn't Jordan's weakness, its one of his strengths.

Did you understand what I meant?

You can't play him in a lot of key situations, so he won't be a factor in any of his strengths (rebounding and shot blocking) because that's such an issue.  So yes his rebounding rate is good but within his overall game there are issues that will detract from allowing him to rebound on our team.

I know he can rebound and block shots.  He is just very flawed and that impacts his ability to produce on his strenghs.  Tough to play this guy when you can run a Hack-a scheme at him.

I fail to see the benefit in this for the Celtics.....

We get a horrible contract in Jordan and a 1st rounder in the high 20s essentially.

Wouldn't we be doing ourselves more of a favor by letting Doc go, letting KG retire and either trading or buying out PP (if the final determination is blowing this thing up) and reaping the benefit of clearing all that salary instead of taking back a ton more in salary (DJ) that we will have a tough time unloading in the future?

deandre is not horrible, slightly overpaid.

he is pretty bad...not very good on offense..doesn't get a ton of rebounds...

His rebound rate is 17.6, higher than Noah's, remember his minutes were limited that's why his per game averages aren't great.

He rebounds well enough. His issues lay elsewhere.

Tough to give a guy minutes (and thus chances to rebound) when he can't hit a FT to save his life.  So the two are interlocked.

If we trade for DeAndre he is going to play, regardless of how many free throws he misses.

THe hope is that being forced to play big minutes will help him progress rather than showcase his flaws.

FT shooting definitely doesn't require on court time to improve.  So maybe he can in some areas but that's not one of them.

Hey, if this guy is going to be in green I hope he does improve his FTs.  I just don't have much hope.

[bruinsandceltics]

DeAndre's trade kicker means that it is even more important that the Clippers take both Lee and Terry.

Danny better not get worked over like a rented mule here. So far he is the only one giving anything.