Fire Ainge!

[GetLucky]

I have one thing to add. Ainge traded for KG using, among other assets that people seem to consider peanuts, a highly-touted top 5 pick that was supposed to be a star who could do it all. Now, we call the KG trade "lucky." Next, let's consider how people value top 5 picks right now. Something doesn't match up.

 Maybe trading Rondo for a top-5 pick is "lucky" for another team. It's OK, though, because we'll always have 20/20 hindsight to make ourselves look smarter. 

[freshinthehouse]

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

Yeah, if you're gonna play that silly card I'm not gonna bother responding.

[Boris Badenov]

i strongly suggest you read this post by boris. he lays out facts that clearly show your assumption above is unfounded.

I read the post and I think you might not know what unfounded means because there was a lot of Euros passed on and it seems to back up what

Fab Melo - Brazil
Vitor      - Brazil
Semih Erden - Turkey

Vitor was not drafted. Erden was a second rounder so if you use Boris's post you can count it because he completely ignored second rounders.  Fab Melo played his a lot of his ball in the USA, he went to high school at Sagemont and college at the Cuse.   KO came to USA to develop his game at Gonzaga.  If they come here to learn and play against the best does it count. 

Not to mention he got rid of Melo quick, he should of he was horrible and Erden, was traded fast too.   He must not have liked what he seen in those two.

First, the fact that Danny passed on a lot of Euros isn't in dispute. It's whether they were any good that is relevant. And if you look at the list, he passed on tons of players that were absolute trash and missed on a small number of good ones. Go back and look at the entire list, it's a who's who of guys you've never heard of.

Second, I didn't ignore second rounders. You're just 100% wrong about that. Not sure what else to say except that it doesn't help your credibility on other points.

[Beat LA]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh. 

Also, none of this is even counting how many times he tried to trade Ray, Rondo (sometimes together), and even Pierce - that is not the Celtic way, and that's what I hate the most about him.  I guess that I just expected much better, and much more, from him than I probably should have.  Sigh.

[tarheelsxxiii]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh. 

Also, none of this is even counting how many times he tried to trade Ray, Rondo (sometimes together), and even Pierce - that is not the Celtic way, and that's what I hate the most about him.  I guess that I just expected much better, and much more, from him than I probably should have.  Sigh.

Amen. Especially with your second paragraph. So many will argue about the business aspect of it. Yet, if you're running a business, that's not the way to go... no matter what industry...

[Beat LA]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh. 

Also, none of this is even counting how many times he tried to trade Ray, Rondo (sometimes together), and even Pierce - that is not the Celtic way, and that's what I hate the most about him.  I guess that I just expected much better, and much more, from him than I probably should have.  Sigh.

Amen. Especially with your second paragraph. So many will argue about the business aspect of it. Yet, if you're running a business, that's not the way to go... no matter what industry...

Yeah, I've always wondered if Ainge has some sort of complex about being dealt (which was an unbelievably stupid move, imo) himself, like, "if I can be traded, anyone can be traded."  I hate to break it to you, Danny, but you weren't that good of a player.  Or maybe I haven't seen enough old games to make that call, I don't know, lol, but it's not like he was a superstar, or even an all star.  He was probably a borderline one for a couple of years in Boston, but, iirc, he only reason he even made the team in 88 was because someone got hurt.

[freshinthehouse]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh.

How can anyone complain about letting Posey go?  Dude signed a four year deal. He was decent for the first year, awful for the next two, then so bad in the fourth year that Indiana cut him and no team bothered picking him up even though he couldve been had for vet minimum.  Dude was spent, and Ainge and company knew it.  The Celtics were already in luxury tax territory, and piling on that awful Posey contract would've made it worse.

[BballTim]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh.

How can anyone complain about letting Posey go?  Dude signed a four year deal. He was decent for the first year, awful for the next two, then so bad in the fourth year that Indiana cut him and no team bothered picking him up even though he couldve been had for vet minimum.  Dude was spent, and Ainge and company knew it.  The Celtics were already in luxury tax territory, and piling on that awful Posey contract would've made it worse.

  Not to mention, we wouldn't have had much trouble repeating if it weren't for KG's knee injury.

[apc]

When I first started watching the Celtics in 04-05, I thought I understood what Danny was trying to build, so I was hopeful, but as the years passed, it didn't appear that he really had any clue as to what he was doing, both through the draft and especially with trades.  Still, after he had assembled a championship team that was DEEP and had the right combination of players, I thought that at last he knew what he was doing, and that he wasn't going to make the same mistakes that had occurred when he was a player, namely in terms of those teams rarely having a bench, but then he drafted Giddens, and then compounded his mistake by letting Posey - our glue-guy, our Michael Cooper - go, and once that happened I knew that we weren't going to repeat.  In 2009 he attempted to rectify the situation, but he still came up short, imo, especially when there were so many inexpensive moves that could have been made to further bolster our bench, and he only got worse from there, imo, robbing the Fantastic Four of at least one more title.  I honestly think that everything started to go wrong on the night of the 2008 draft.  Ugh. 

Also, none of this is even counting how many times he tried to trade Ray, Rondo (sometimes together), and even Pierce - that is not the Celtic way, and that's what I hate the most about him.  I guess that I just expected much better, and much more, from him than I probably should have.  Sigh.

Amen. Especially with your second paragraph. So many will argue about the business aspect of it. Yet, if you're running a business, that's not the way to go... no matter what industry...

There are two sides for this. in my opinion KG and PP last contract with us were too high. If you want to stay and stay competitive, you sign for a discount so you can bring new talent.   
And yes, I know they it was somewhat of a discount but not enough.
(KG and PP are not as productive today as Duncan or Nowitzky for example)
 

[greece66]

If this deal doesn't go down its just another one of the many swings and misses in the career of Danny Ainge during the Big 3 era. Trading Brooks for JJJ, Trading Perk for Jeff Green, drafting J.R. Giddings. Not moving Ray for Mayo and a 1st at the 2011 deadline. Now trying to get too cute with the Clippers and holding them up for a top 15-20 coach that is severely overrated and a washed up future HOFer in KG. A few other swings and misses are Lee, Bradley, Sheed, oh and Brandon Bass' amazing contract. He really isn't a good GM and the only reason him and Rivers had a job after 2007 was due to the fact "Kevin" was his buddy in Minnesota. Oh not to mention that he held onto Rondo way too long and now the guy has zero trade value due to his injury.

The one thing that still gives me nightmares is he did not sign Giannis.
Everything else is a footnote in the recipe book of disaster.

[greece66]

Ainge has done a good job.

5 first round draft choices in the next two years.

Not gonna happen. Everybody is tanking hard this year. Right now we are tenth from the bottom. Looks like we have the worst of all possible worlds. Not good enough to enter playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft pick.
http://www.tankathon.com/

[JSD]

Ainge has done a good job.

5 first round draft choices in the next two years.

Not gonna happen. Everybody is tanking hard this year. Right now we are tenth from the bottom. Looks like we have the worst of all possible worlds. Not good enough to enter playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft pick.
http://www.tankathon.com/

This is a pessimistic way of looking at things. We have a young team that iis only going to get better and on multiple draft picks from a team that has a high probability of regressing over the next couple years. I would say were in pretty good shape and that Ainge deserves a lot of credit.

[greece66]

Ainge has done a good job.

5 first round draft choices in the next two years.

Not gonna happen. Everybody is tanking hard this year. Right now we are tenth from the bottom. Looks like we have the worst of all possible worlds. Not good enough to enter playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft pick.
http://www.tankathon.com/

This is a pessimistic way of looking at things. We have a young team that iis only going to get better and on multiple draft picks from a team that has a high probability of regressing over the next couple years. I would say were in pretty good shape and that Ainge deserves a lot of credit.

Yo man! You just gave me a good one for the tanking euphemism book.

[Celtics18]

Ainge has done a good job.

5 first round draft choices in the next two years.

Not gonna happen. Everybody is tanking hard this year. Right now we are tenth from the bottom. Looks like we have the worst of all possible worlds. Not good enough to enter playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft pick.
http://www.tankathon.com/

This is a pessimistic way of looking at things. We have a young team that iis only going to get better and on multiple draft picks from a team that has a high probability of regressing over the next couple years. I would say were in pretty good shape and that Ainge deserves a lot of credit.

Yo man! You just gave me a good one for the tanking euphemism book.

You're a season too late, Greece.  You would have loved it around here last year. 

[greece66]

Ainge has done a good job.

5 first round draft choices in the next two years.

Not gonna happen. Everybody is tanking hard this year. Right now we are tenth from the bottom. Looks like we have the worst of all possible worlds. Not good enough to enter playoffs, not bad enough to get a high draft pick.
http://www.tankathon.com/

This is a pessimistic way of looking at things. We have a young team that iis only going to get better and on multiple draft picks from a team that has a high probability of regressing over the next couple years. I would say were in pretty good shape and that Ainge deserves a lot of credit.

Yo man! You just gave me a good one for the tanking euphemism book.

You're a season to late, Greece.  You would have loved it around here last year.

Something tells me there ll be plenty of opportunities this year too.