Fire Ainge!

[cb8883]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

[Redz]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

I'd rather be frustrated with some unfulfilled promise than have no promise like in Philly.  Thunder and Sixers are apples and oranges.

[Granath]

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

This guy complains when the Celtics don't win. He complains when the Celtics win ("proper tank"). In short, he has no consistent position besides hate of Ainge. I guess Danny beat him up and stole his lunch money.

[BballTim]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

[cb8883]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

[rondohondo]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

Fab Melo - Brazil
Vitor      - Brazil
Semih Erden - Turkey

[MBunge]

If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait.

In 2007, the Supersonics won 31 games for the 5th worst record in the league and they absolutely did not tank to get that record.  That gave them a .097% chance of getting the 2nd pick.

Did they tank AFTER getting Durant?  Yes.  Did they tank to get Durant.  No.

Mike

[D.o.s.]

If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait.

In 2007, the Supersonics won 31 games for the 5th worst record in the league and they absolutely did not tank to get that record.  That gave them a .097% chance of getting the 2nd pick.

Did they tank AFTER getting Durant?  Yes.  Did they tank to get Durant.  No.

Mike

That's a good bit of analysis, and worth repeating.

[hwangjini_1]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

i strongly suggest you read this post by boris. he lays out facts that clearly show your assumption above is unfounded. it is really well done and i think we can all learn from it.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=73940.msg1750079#msg1750079

[Jonny CC]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

i strongly suggest you read this post by boris. he lays out facts that clearly show your assumption above is unfounded. it is really well done and i think we can all learn from it.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=73940.msg1750079#msg1750079

Don't let the facts get in the way of a biased opinion.

[cb8883]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

Fab Melo - Brazil
Vitor      - Brazil
Semih Erden - Turkey

Fab Melo - Played ball at Syracuse
Vitor- Free Agent
Semih - very late 2nd rounder

Okay so you proved me wrong on the token foreign draft pick, Erden. Ainge has one foreign player drafted in how many years? There is no universe where the Greek Freak isn't the pick over Olynyk none.

[Celtics4ever]

i strongly suggest you read this post by boris. he lays out facts that clearly show your assumption above is unfounded.

I read the post and I think you might not know what unfounded means because there was a lot of Euros passed on and it seems to back up what

Fab Melo - Brazil
Vitor      - Brazil
Semih Erden - Turkey

Vitor was not drafted.  Erden was a second rounder so if you use Boris's post you can count it because he completely ignored second rounders.  Fab Melo played his a lot of his ball in the USA, he went to high school at Sagemont and college at the Cuse.   KO came to USA to develop his game at Gonzaga.  If they come here to learn and play against the best does it count. 

Not to mention he got rid of Melo quick, he should of he was horrible and Erden, was traded fast too.   He must not have liked what he seen in those two.

[BballTim]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

  Sure. I like Rondo, you think every overhyped draft pick is the next Wilt/MJ and you haven't been watching the nba long enough to know how unlikely tanking is to get you where you want to go. We all have our crosses to bear.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

  The odds of them being a force in the league for a while isn't as high as you imagine and if it does happen it's as likely to be because of who they picked in the middle of the 2013 draft than the fruits of their "hard tank".

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft.

  Unsurprisingly you're missing the point. If Presti doesn't get Durant he's basically nowhere. Just like all the other teams that tanked and didn't get Durant. Last year you kept saying we had to tank to get a good pick in a "once in a generation draft". We get a high pick in that draft, you actually seem him play and suddenly he's no cornerstone. But, wait guys, let's tank again, *that* draft will have the player who will lead us to the promised land. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

  Hilarious. Finally figured out what was wrong with your "Danny never drafts foreigners" claim?

[BballTim]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.

This.  The Celtics would have to be complete fools to get rid of Ainge.  Luckily Wyc and company are not fools.

Ainge can't build a winner the right way unless his friend hands him a title. I would can him tomorrow and go get Hinkle in Philly or Presti in OKC. Someone that has experience with a proper tank. Only way the Celtics would win.

  If Presti doesn't score a top 2 pick in the lottery in the Durant draft he's nowhere. Which is exactly where Hinkle is at the moment. Dumping Ainge for that (and justifying it with the ridiculous "his friends gave him a title" nonsense) would be foolish at best. Do you somehow think that Philly has stumbled upon some secret formula that hasn't occurred to anyone else, or that any nba GM (or half the posters here) couldn't run a franchise into the ground? Getting to the bottom isn't the hard part, getting to the top is, and that's the part you haven't seen from Philly yet. You don't have the slightest idea whether things will work out for Philly or not.

The one things you cannot deny despite your blind fanboy loyality to Rondo is that both franchises are much better off than the Boston Celtics currently. I'll take the blue chip big men, Saric and the reigning ROY any day over our roster.

Look at the Bucks. They put down a hard tank last year and now they're going to be a force for a while on the league.

I do appreciate you actually agreeing with me indirectly about tanking. If Presti didn't get the 2nd pick...and how did he get that pick? I'll wait. The truth is about him is even though he got Durant they stayed true to the tank and got Westbrook Harden and later on Ibaka later in the draft. Someone who Danny Ainge would clearly never touch because he is a non North American talent.

Fab Melo - Brazil
Vitor      - Brazil
Semih Erden - Turkey

Fab Melo - Played ball at Syracuse
Vitor- Free Agent
Semih - very late 2nd rounder

Okay so you proved me wrong on the token foreign draft pick, Erden. Ainge has one foreign player drafted in how many years? There is no universe where the Greek Freak isn't the pick over Olynyk none.

  Erden still isn't the only foreigner Ainge drafted. And if you're looking for a universe where the Greek Freak isn't picked over KO, start with the one you're in. It's the same universe where Anthony Bennett and a host of other players were drafted over him as well.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'm not intending to be contentious, I'm honestly just curious... does any one know of a GM/team that has traded up into the lottery for a *career* one-sided, rotation player?