Fire Ainge!

[tarheelsxxiii]

One thing stop throwing the Perk trade for the case DA is a bad GM argument. Right now Green is better than Perk.

the reason I remain angry about the Perk trade is the fact that Danny destroyed that team's chemistry and identity and cost us a great shot at #18 that year.

many people on this board simply don't understand the game well enough to know that stats are not everything.

TP. Probably the most insightful post I've read here. There's no other way to sum it up. /thread, pack it in.

Other key points to take away: McHale handed Ainge KG/championship; Rondo and Perk were great draft selections in that they were paired with 3 HOFers (major reason Bradley developed as he did too), a great coach, and the best "culture" in the NBA at the time; Ray left because Ainge dangled them all at every trade deadline; if the first two points are true (which they are), Ainge has done NOTHING for this organization in his tenure.

Edit, I'll finish: We won a long-awaited championship when Ainge was here. Yay. We should've won more. But I won't argue that, we did... so if that is the basis upon which we are judging him, and we want to celebrate that aspect, we can simply say Ainge/McHale gave us a good run.

[crimson_stallion]

One thing stop throwing the Perk trade for the case DA is a bad GM argument. Right now Green is better than Perk.

the reason I remain angry about the Perk trade is the fact that Danny destroyed that team's chemistry and identity and cost us a great shot at #18 that year.

many people on this board simply don't understand the game well enough to know that stats are not everything.

TP. Probably the most insightful post I've read here. There's no other way to sum it up. /thread, pack it in.

Other key points to take away: McHale handed Ainge KG/championship; Rondo and Perk were great draft selections in that they were paired with 3 HOFers (major reason Bradley developed as he did too), a great coach, and the best "culture" in the NBA at the time; Ray left because Ainge dangled them all at every trade deadline; if the first two points are true (which they are), Ainge has done NOTHING for this organization in his tenure.

Edit, I'll finish: We won a long-awaited championship when Ainge was here. Yay. We should've won more. But I won't argue that, we did... so if that is the basis upon which we are judging him, and we want to celebrate that aspect, we can simply say Ainge/McHale gave us a good run.

Ainge has done nothing? 

He pulled off the trade that brought Ray and KG to Boston, which won us the title.  You think Rondo and Perk were the reasons for us winning #17?  There were several times during the playoffs Rondo had to get benched due to problems handling the ball, lack of jump shot and poor decision making.  Perkins at the time was far from imposing.  Those two guys realistically were not starting calibre players in 08, but they were 'enough' because Boston had the big three who carried them through. 

From 09 onwards, that's when Rondo and Perk started to really become productive...and from that time onwards we never won a title. 

Next, Danny's Perkins trade was the very reason why this team has any future at all right now.  Along Rondo, Green is the only hope of this franchise moving forward.  The last 25-30 games of the regular season Jeff proved he can be a 20 PPG scorer when given the opportunity, and if he can continue to do that he will become the primary scorer we can build around - the next Paul Pierce if you will. Without Green our future would be based around a 6'2" defensive guy who can't play PG and a 6'9" PF coming off back surgery. 

Speaking of which, Danny's drafting of Avery Bradley and Jared Sullinger - would you call those bad drafts? Bradley at 22 is already an All-Defensive teamer and Sullinger (while not an All-Star) well outplayed his draft position. 

The Big Baby trade for Brandon Bass was a key component to us making it to the ECF last season.  The fact that Danny almost got David West (in a season where we had ZERO signing power) was a revelation.

The ability of Danny to pull in Jason Terry and Courtney Lee last season based on the pure nothing we had to work with was, again, a revelation.  How was he to know that Terry would struggle a little and Courtney Lee would suddenly turn useless?

The fact of the matter is that as much as everybody gets down on both Doc and Danny, they have done an amazing job.  This team has gone through more major injuries than anybody else in the league bar maybe Portland, yet every single season Doc and Danny have found a way to make this team competitive and take them to the playoffs.  If not for injuries to KG and Perkins at critical times the C's would almost certainly have Banner #19 by now, possibly even #20.

For those who are mocking Danny, I would love to see you step into his shoes last season and, using the resources we had (vet mins, mini-MLE and BIA) build a team that would make the ECF.

Likewise I'd like to see you step into Danny's shoes prior to this season when all we had was a MLE and try to bring in somebody better than Terry and Lee - who were both highly coveted at the time by teams with far more resources on offer.

Injuries have been to blame for our lack of success every season since 2008.  It sounds like a bail-out excuse, but unfortuantely it's the truth.  When you have guys like Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, Jeff Green, Shaq, Jermaine Oneal, Rajon Rondo and Jared Sullinger being lost for entire seasons...it's hard to win a title.  Are you really going to say it's Danny's fault that these injuries happened?  Does he have any control over this?

There was only one season so far where this team legitimately looked not good enough to compete, even when healthy, and that was last season.  Even then it's hard to say that, because we never truly were healthy.  Initially we had AB out and Green + Wilcox were recovering from Heart surgery.  When AB came back Rondo went down, then Sully went down, then Barbosa went down.  Who knows how good we could have been by the end of the season once the chemistry started to come through.

[chambers]

Can we fire the original poster.  Ainge has made up competitive again and we got a championship under his watch.

DA should have been fired long time ago for catastrophic money management. Financially speaking he is a totally incompetent.
Facts: Giving PP at age of 35, 15mill/year and giving KG at age of 36 12mill/year, leaving to go Ray for zero money and reducing the salary management in a wrong way where is does not know how to resolve this rebus he created. No anybody has analyzed poor money management he made and as consequence this team is in a critical financial situation almost impossible to see the future and built the future. PP case is only the top of iceberg.
Stop defendim him, if you feel yourself a Cs fan.In any kind of sports, the manager firstly takes care of money managment. If not, bye bye

  You need to look a little more at the PP deal before you criticize it. When you consider the deal he opted out of and the non-guaranteed part of the new deal it's much better than you think it is.

Can not give a 35 years old player 15$ mill/season. Cant not bulit the team this way. No sir. This is the start point any mistale.

Eugen, it's the last guaranteed year of his deal. He's not guaranteed next season. To get a player like Pierce to sign a deal/extension you have to reward them knowing that down the line you might be overpaying for them.
He posted All Star numbers last season. He had no point guard and he took on a serious point forward role that is not his natural position.
It's part of the risk in signing someone long term. You might be overpaying for them at the end of their career but you're paying them fairly for 75% of the contract.
Now that Pierce has started to decline (whilst still posting amazing numbers), Danny has decided to move him instead of paying him 15 million. We can waive him and it will cost 5 million or we can use the contract as an expiring asset.

[BballTim]

One thing stop throwing the Perk trade for the case DA is a bad GM argument. Right now Green is better than Perk.

the reason I remain angry about the Perk trade is the fact that Danny destroyed that team's chemistry and identity and cost us a great shot at #18 that year.

many people on this board simply don't understand the game well enough to know that stats are not everything.

TP. Probably the most insightful post I've read here. There's no other way to sum it up. /thread, pack it in.

Other key points to take away: McHale handed Ainge KG/championship; Rondo and Perk were great draft selections in that they were paired with 3 HOFers (major reason Bradley developed as he did too), a great coach, and the best "culture" in the NBA at the time; Ray left because Ainge dangled them all at every trade deadline; if the first two points are true (which they are), Ainge has done NOTHING for this organization in his tenure.

Edit, I'll finish: We won a long-awaited championship when Ainge was here. Yay. We should've won more. But I won't argue that, we did... so if that is the basis upon which we are judging him, and we want to celebrate that aspect, we can simply say Ainge/McHale gave us a good run.

  So other than put together a team that won a title and contended for 5 years or so he's done NOTHING. Got it.

[tyrone biggums]

One thing stop throwing the Perk trade for the case DA is a bad GM argument. Right now Green is better than Perk.

the reason I remain angry about the Perk trade is the fact that Danny destroyed that team's chemistry and identity and cost us a great shot at #18 that year.

many people on this board simply don't understand the game well enough to know that stats are not everything.

TP. Probably the most insightful post I've read here. There's no other way to sum it up. /thread, pack it in.

Other key points to take away: McHale handed Ainge KG/championship; Rondo and Perk were great draft selections in that they were paired with 3 HOFers (major reason Bradley developed as he did too), a great coach, and the best "culture" in the NBA at the time; Ray left because Ainge dangled them all at every trade deadline; if the first two points are true (which they are), Ainge has done NOTHING for this organization in his tenure.

Edit, I'll finish: We won a long-awaited championship when Ainge was here. Yay. We should've won more. But I won't argue that, we did... so if that is the basis upon which we are judging him, and we want to celebrate that aspect, we can simply say Ainge/McHale gave us a good run.

  So other than put together a team that won a title and contended for 5 years or so he's done NOTHING. Got it.

So let me get this straight...Ainge drafts Big Al...trades for Perk...then trades Perk for maximum value years later. He buys a pick from Phoenix and grabs Rondo. Gets trade assets, trades for Allen and KG, signs Posey and PJ Brown, drafts BBD and Powe. But other than win a title and architect a team that made two finals appearances (which could have been three titles in a row if KG doesn't get hurt and Joey Crawford doesn't officiate game 7 like he usually does)...but you're right Ainge has done nothing. We should have kept Big Al, G-Money, Bassy and the gang. YOUTH BALL BABY!

SMH

[cb8883]

My feelings have not changed. Danny Ainge needs to be canned. He swung and missed continuously in the draft andlast night showed why Danny should not ignore foreign players. Greek Freak, Schroeder take your pick,. Both would have been much better options than KO. Marcus Banks 2.0 is a bust too. Hung onto Rondo way too long and now the best Ainge can get for a valuable role player is a 2nd round pick. He hung onto Bass and Jeff Green. Gave Avery Bradley an insane contract. Clearly he is overmatched as a GM and needs to go back to the TNT booth. Bring in a GM committed to tanking and build this team the right way regardless of a players citizenship. Ainge has never drafted a foreign player and his bias has cost him some excellent players.

[Roy H.]

He swung and missed continuously in the draft andlast night showed why Danny should not ignore foreign players. Greek Freak, Schroeder take your pick,. Both would have been much better options than KO. ... Bring in a GM committed to tanking and build this team the right way regardless of a players citizenship. Ainge has never drafted a foreign player and his bias has cost him some excellent players.

Kelly Olynyk is a foreign player.

[gpap]

This thread is garbage. Ainge got the C's a title

He hasn't done much since.

[BballTim]

He swung and missed continuously in the draft andlast night showed why Danny should not ignore foreign players. Greek Freak, Schroeder take your pick,. Both would have been much better options than KO. ... Bring in a GM committed to tanking and build this team the right way regardless of a players citizenship. Ainge has never drafted a foreign player and his bias has cost him some excellent players.

Kelly Olynyk is a foreign player.

  He's not the only one Danny's drafted either. Also, "continuously swung and missed in the draft" isn't much more accurate than "Ainge has never drafted a foreign player".

[cb8883]

He swung and missed continuously in the draft andlast night showed why Danny should not ignore foreign players. Greek Freak, Schroeder take your pick,. Both would have been much better options than KO. ... Bring in a GM committed to tanking and build this team the right way regardless of a players citizenship. Ainge has never drafted a foreign player and his bias has cost him some excellent players.

Kelly Olynyk is a foreign player.

Canada is the 51st state 

[cb8883]

He swung and missed continuously in the draft andlast night showed why Danny should not ignore foreign players. Greek Freak, Schroeder take your pick,. Both would have been much better options than KO. ... Bring in a GM committed to tanking and build this team the right way regardless of a players citizenship. Ainge has never drafted a foreign player and his bias has cost him some excellent players.

Kelly Olynyk is a foreign player.

  He's not the only one Danny's drafted either. Also, "continuously swung and missed in the draft" isn't much more accurate than "Ainge has never drafted a foreign player".

If you consider a player from Canada that played his ball at Gonzaga a true foreign player then I don't know what to tell you.

[ddb]

imagine what Laker fans are saying about Mitch K! 

[Rondo2287]

Ainge is the only reason I have confidence that the Celtics will eventually get out of mediocrity.  Personally I still enjoy watching the team do well for 3 quarters and lose in the fourth.  It helps our players develop as well as gets us closer to getting more and more good players. 

[Celtics4ever]

Ainge has the kahunas to make the hard decisions it is going to take to get back into contention.   Breaking up the team, although I would have done it a year earlier.    I think he will bottom us out at some point this year and trade players that people hate and are attached too.

[Beat LA]

If this deal doesn't go down its just another one of the many swings and misses in the career of Danny Ainge during the Big 3 era. Trading Brooks for JJJ, Trading Perk for Jeff Green, drafting J.R. Giddings. Not moving Ray for Mayo and a 1st at the 2011 deadline. Now trying to get too cute with the Clippers and holding them up for a top 15-20 coach that is severely overrated and a washed up future HOFer in KG. A few other swings and misses are Lee, Bradley, Sheed, oh and Brandon Bass' amazing contract. He really isn't a good GM and the only reason him and Rivers had a job after 2007 was due to the fact "Kevin" was his buddy in Minnesota. Oh not to mention that he held onto Rondo way too long and now the guy has zero trade value due to his injury.

You honestly wanted OJ Mayo over Ray Allen?   I don't like Danny, either, but that's just nuts lol.  That deal didn't go through because KG and Pierce stepped in and said that Ray needed to be here, or something like that.  Or was that the previous year when Ainge tried to trade Ray for Tyreke Evans, or was it the time when he tried to trade Ray for James Harden?  He tried to trade Ray so many times that I can't even remember anymore, but Pierce and KG prevented those deals from going through, iirc, and, even though he was treated like crap by Danny, I still think that Ray should have stayed, if for no other reason than to reciprocate that same loyalty to his teammates, as well as the fans, but I guess not.  Sigh.