Rumor: The Big Ticket is coming back for one more year!

[bfrombleacher]

I thought I read Pierces home is for sale......that wouldn't indicate he is returning

I think Pierce gets traded with Bradley , Bass and or  Lee for a impact player

rather have Milsap on Celtics

You would rather have Milsap than Pierce?
You would rather have an undersized PF that is good but no amazing in his game and can't do anything else than an SF that can run the point, play the SG as a very very good shooter, trouble opposing SF's with his moves, guard PF's decently and rebound better than many centers in this league?

Wow. Just wow

sure I would , pierce is washed up , too old and broken , time for him to hit the road

The real question is, 'would you rather have 4 years of Millsap at 10 million (or less) a year or 1 year of Pierce?'

Pierce, but then again, the people on this forum amaze me.

What continues to amaze me is how adamantly pro-Paul Pierce you are after how badly he looked in the playoffs.

Millsap isn't putting us over the top, nor is he going to be a centerpiece for our future, nor is he likely going to be flipped for something that can do either. He's just money tied down for mediocrity.

We lack rebounding and scoring big men. Milsap does both. We have a replacement for Pierce in Jeff Green. Trading Pierce to fill two of our needs makes sense. Who do you reasonably expect to get for Pierce? We are not getting an all-star for a player on the verge of retirement who has regressed significantly. The only teams that are willing to trade for him want his expiring contract, not Pierce himself.

Josh Smith?

Subtracting Pierce and adding Millsap just doesn't sound to me like something that's going to work. Maybe I'm wrong.

[SHAQATTACK]

ticket needs help,   Milsap rebounds and isn't broken.   Dump Bass and Jet and Wilcox and add a backup big center or draft  one who can play already .   

Pierce should take a backup role  or retire or be traded..   

[jayhovaone]

I thought I read Pierces home is for sale......that wouldn't indicate he is returning

I think Pierce gets traded with Bradley , Bass and or  Lee for a impact player

rather have Milsap on Celtics

You would rather have Milsap than Pierce?
You would rather have an undersized PF that is good but no amazing in his game and can't do anything else than an SF that can run the point, play the SG as a very very good shooter, trouble opposing SF's with his moves, guard PF's decently and rebound better than many centers in this league?

Wow. Just wow.

Lets get something straight here milsapp would be a great addition to the celtics.  he can shoot the 3 he can rebound and he is an underrated defender.  Also in utah he was the second option to the black hole that is Al Jefferson.

[PhoSita]

Me, I think he regresses back to what he hasalways been, a 3rd option, who will disappear for stretches of games at a ttime, be really good for stretches but overall be a very mediocre player making too much money.

I think Green will regress to the mean a little bit, too, but I want to get something straight, here.  The talk about Green being overpaid should be over at this point.  He's a guy in the prime of his athletic ability who if given starter minutes is a 15-16 point per game guy who can occasionally give you a lot more than that.  This season he showed the ability and the willingness to take and make crunch time shots.  He's also developed into an above average perimeter defender.

The dude doesn't have to be a legit top two scoring option for a contender to be worth 9 million a year.  That's just not how the NBA works these days.  A solid swing forward with that kind of scoring ability paid like Green is fair market value, or perhaps even underpaid.

I agree that a lot of people here overvalue Green, saying he's going to average 20+ points or he's already a better player than Pierce.  But sometimes the naysayers seem to think Green has to be a legit All-Star to not be totally overrated.  If he was that kind of player he'd be on a max contract, not getting 9 million a year.  Compared to guys like Gerald Wallace and Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green is a bargain.

[kgainez]

I thought I read Pierces home is for sale......that wouldn't indicate he is returning

I think Pierce gets traded with Bradley , Bass and or  Lee for a impact player

rather have Milsap on Celtics

You would rather have Milsap than Pierce?
You would rather have an undersized PF that is good but no amazing in his game and can't do anything else than an SF that can run the point, play the SG as a very very good shooter, trouble opposing SF's with his moves, guard PF's decently and rebound better than many centers in this league?

Wow. Just wow.

Lets get something straight here milsapp would be a great addition to the celtics.  he can shoot the 3 he can rebound and he is an underrated defender.  Also in utah he was the second option to the black hole that is Al Jefferson.

who can shoot the 3???

[nickagneta]

Me, I think he regresses back to what he hasalways been, a 3rd option, who will disappear for stretches of games at a ttime, be really good for stretches but overall be a very mediocre player making too much money.

I think Green will regress to the mean a little bit, too, but I want to get something straight, here.  The talk about Green being overpaid should be over at this point.  He's a guy in the prime of his athletic ability who if given starter minutes is a 15-16 point per game guy who can occasionally give you a lot more than that.  This season he showed the ability and the willingness to take and make crunch time shots.  He's also developed into an above average perimeter defender.

The dude doesn't have to be a legit top two scoring option for a contender to be worth 9 million a year.  That's just not how the NBA works these days.  A solid swing forward with that kind of scoring ability paid like Green is fair market value, or perhaps even underpaid.

I agree that a lot of people here overvalue Green, saying he's going to average 20+ points or he's already a better player than Pierce.  But sometimes the naysayers seem to think Green has to be a legit All-Star to not be totally overrated.  If he was that kind of player he'd be on a max contract, not getting 9 million a year.  Compared to guys like Gerald Wallace and Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green is a bargain.

Never said he was overpaid. Just that he makes too much money. I don't want to be paying $9 million a year for the second straight year for a bench player. If we bring in Millsap, that is what Green will be. He might be getting paid fair money when compared to others but that doesn't matter to me. What matters is how his salary effects this team and I just think paying $9 for a bench player is too much.

[PhoSita]

What matters is how his salary effects this team and I just think paying $9 for a bench player is too much.

That's fair, I think.  You really shouldn't be paying more than 5 million a year for somebody who isn't one of your top 3 or 4 guys, in today's NBA.

I don't really see the value in giving up Green (or Pierce) to get Millsap, though, not when we already have a solid starting-quality PF on a bargain rookie deal as it is (Sullinger).


What isn't fair is describing Jeff Green as a "very mediocre" player, unless you think that being a solid starting-quality player for your position, with the potential to have a big game now and then, is "very mediocre."

To me, Linas Kleiza is very mediocre.  Landry Fields is mediocre. Al Farouq Aminu is very mediocre.  Richard Jefferson is very mediocre.  John Salmons is very mediocre.  Tayshaun Prince, at this point in his career, is pretty mediocre.  Evan Turner has struggled to be much more than mediocre.  Michael Beasley is worse than mediocre.

[kgainez]

Me, I think he regresses back to what he hasalways been, a 3rd option, who will disappear for stretches of games at a ttime, be really good for stretches but overall be a very mediocre player making too much money.

I think Green will regress to the mean a little bit, too, but I want to get something straight, here.  The talk about Green being overpaid should be over at this point.  He's a guy in the prime of his athletic ability who if given starter minutes is a 15-16 point per game guy who can occasionally give you a lot more than that.  This season he showed the ability and the willingness to take and make crunch time shots.  He's also developed into an above average perimeter defender.

The dude doesn't have to be a legit top two scoring option for a contender to be worth 9 million a year.  That's just not how the NBA works these days.  A solid swing forward with that kind of scoring ability paid like Green is fair market value, or perhaps even underpaid.

I agree that a lot of people here overvalue Green, saying he's going to average 20+ points or he's already a better player than Pierce.  But sometimes the naysayers seem to think Green has to be a legit All-Star to not be totally overrated.  If he was that kind of player he'd be on a max contract, not getting 9 million a year.  Compared to guys like Gerald Wallace and Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green is a bargain.

Never said he was overpaid. Just that he makes too much money.

 

[hpantazo]

Me, I think he regresses back to what he hasalways been, a 3rd option, who will disappear for stretches of games at a ttime, be really good for stretches but overall be a very mediocre player making too much money.

I think Green will regress to the mean a little bit, too, but I want to get something straight, here.  The talk about Green being overpaid should be over at this point.  He's a guy in the prime of his athletic ability who if given starter minutes is a 15-16 point per game guy who can occasionally give you a lot more than that.  This season he showed the ability and the willingness to take and make crunch time shots.  He's also developed into an above average perimeter defender.

The dude doesn't have to be a legit top two scoring option for a contender to be worth 9 million a year.  That's just not how the NBA works these days.  A solid swing forward with that kind of scoring ability paid like Green is fair market value, or perhaps even underpaid.

I agree that a lot of people here overvalue Green, saying he's going to average 20+ points or he's already a better player than Pierce.  But sometimes the naysayers seem to think Green has to be a legit All-Star to not be totally overrated.  If he was that kind of player he'd be on a max contract, not getting 9 million a year.  Compared to guys like Gerald Wallace and Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green is a bargain.

Never said he was overpaid. Just that he makes too much money.

 

LOL. I don't get it either. If he makes too much money then how is he not overpaid?

[kgainez]

in the meantime, i've come to the conclusion that this is happening because paul is gone. guy puts his house on the market and whatnot. in addition, KG may be trying to do this to see what Paul does and if Paul still leaves, I assume KG goes too. In other words, ALL of this is just rumor/talk.

and even still...for SFs...ure paying 1 15 mil and the other 9 mil. you also put 7 mil$ bass on the bench -- assuming all these players stay or whatever. i think the bench argument is neither here nor there.

[PhoSita]

LOL. I don't get it either. If he makes too much money then how is he not overpaid?

The idea, I believe, is that though Jeff Green is being paid market value for his services, that market value is too high for a reduced role on the team.

I tend to agree.  I think Ainge probably agrees also -- he didn't give Green that deal to be a backup SF, sixth man, or even a starter playing the role of 4th offensive option.

Green is paid like a starter who is a key offensive piece for the team, and unless his role reflects that, he's a luxury we can't afford.

[More Banners]

Me, I think he regresses back to what he hasalways been, a 3rd option, who will disappear for stretches of games at a ttime, be really good for stretches but overall be a very mediocre player making too much money.

I think Green will regress to the mean a little bit, too, but I want to get something straight, here.  The talk about Green being overpaid should be over at this point.  He's a guy in the prime of his athletic ability who if given starter minutes is a 15-16 point per game guy who can occasionally give you a lot more than that.  This season he showed the ability and the willingness to take and make crunch time shots.  He's also developed into an above average perimeter defender.

The dude doesn't have to be a legit top two scoring option for a contender to be worth 9 million a year.  That's just not how the NBA works these days.  A solid swing forward with that kind of scoring ability paid like Green is fair market value, or perhaps even underpaid.

I agree that a lot of people here overvalue Green, saying he's going to average 20+ points or he's already a better player than Pierce.  But sometimes the naysayers seem to think Green has to be a legit All-Star to not be totally overrated.  If he was that kind of player he'd be on a max contract, not getting 9 million a year.  Compared to guys like Gerald Wallace and Trevor Ariza, Jeff Green is a bargain.

Never said he was overpaid. Just that he makes too much money.

 

LOL. I don't get it either. If he makes too much money then how is he not overpaid?

We can't afford his deal given the other committments, e.g. Bass, Lee, Green, KG, Rondo, and JET all making $5M or better.

[PhoSita]

We can't afford his deal given the other committments, e.g. Bass, Lee, Green, KG, Rondo, and JET all making $5M or better.

Obviously dumping Lee, Terry, and Bass are the priorities ahead of trading Green, though.

I'm a big believer in handing Green the keys to the offense this upcoming season, if only so he can average career highs in minutes and points per game and set himself up as trade bait for the deadline or around the 2014 draft.

[crimson_stallion]

I don't get why people are saying Jeff Green is earning too much, and that we should trade him.

Jeff Green in the final 22 gammes of the season (including the Playoffs) was arguably our best player.  He was certainly our best offensive player, putting up better scoring numbers than Pierce over that stretch...and doing it far more efficiently.

What many people fail to see is that Pierce's offensive ablility is clearly dropping off.  Sure he still aroud 18 PPG, but his shooting percentages have been dropping off consistently for years now.  It's clear that he no longer has the durability to be able to carry the team on a consistent basis.  His shot has been looking flat for the last few years now, like he just has no legs left.

Yes he's been dishing out assists like they are going out of fashion in Rondo's absense...but he's also been making tons of poor decisions and turning the ball over countless times in those scenarios.  His decision making / turnovers  killed us in the playoffs...absolutely killed us.

That brings me to the next point - his shot selection.  Pierce seems like he can't shoot the way he used to, but he still BELIEVES he can...so he still has far too many moments where he tries to force things 1-on-1 rather than looking to create for others.  It usually doesn't end well because he just isn't as dominant 1-on-1 as he used to be.

Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Pierce and I would be beyond heartbroken to see him go, but if you take emotion out of it and look at the situation for what it is this is the reality of it...

Jeff Green is young, he's athletic, he's just entering his prime and he's playing like it.  He carried the team offensively for the final 22 games of the season (including playoffs), he hit multiple big clutch shots, and he proved he can take over games (two 30-point games, one 40 point game).  He's also becoming an elite one-on-one stopper/defender against opposing SFs, and that happens to be the position most of the leagues elite players are at right now (Paul George, Lebron James, Carmello Anthony, Kevin Durant, etc).

Pierce is owed 16 million if we keep him - Green is owed $9 million...almost half.

If we trade out Pierce we can bring in $16M back in contracts...that's the potential to get us a Josh Smith or an Al Jefferson and give us another chance to compete for a title.  Green's $9M could't really bring us that much.

Pierce will retire some time in the next two years.  Green could  be our next franchise player for years to come...but his development is (IMO) limited as long as Pierce is here. 

I love seeing these guys here, but the way I see it the Big 3 era ended when Ray left.  A little Piece of the celtics went away at that time, and it left me realising that the end is inevitable...this can't last.  Rather than lose Piece and/or KG for nothing upon retirement, why not try to get something for at least one of them?

Pierce's contract situation gives him an unusual amount of trade value for a player of his age.  Now is the time to take advantage of that and make the deal, because next year his value goes back to zero on the open market.

[nickagneta]

I don't get why people are saying Jeff Green is earning too much, and that we should trade him.

Jeff Green in the final 22 gammes of the season

And I don't get that people don't see that this fantastic consistent play of his was when everyone else was injured, we were a a bad team and that he has never done that before? Tony Allen had a stretch like that in 2006-2007. He looked All-World. It was about 20 games.

When he returned from injury, he went back to being the Tony Allen he has always been, turnover prone, bad shot selection, not a great scorer, always excellent defense, prone to dumb mistakes and not All-World.

Mark Blount had a similar run. Lots of players do.

I just think it more likely that Green returns to being the guy that if you give him 36 MPG he will get you 13-15 points, 4 rebounds, an assist, a steal, a very average 53% TS%, and he won't be consistent in doing it. He'll go 3-4 games where you will wonder if he was even on the floor and then go 2-4 games when he is putting up numbers.

And the last thing about Green, he doesn't really make teams that much better.

As very my very mediocre comment, I find those players, with the exception of Prince, to be bad players, Pho Sita, not mediocre. Prince was about on the same level as Green. Now he is only slightly worse.

I think Green is more in the mediocre category like Ersan Ilyasova or Gordon Haywood or Iman Shumpert. Okay players that do one or two things really well but their overall game is mediocre, average, about in the middle of the pack.

And the reason Green is even being brought into this thread is because if KG is back and Millsap is a real target, then I see the Celtics going for it one last time and Pierce starting and Green coming off the bench again. And is he is coming of the bench, he is too expensive for this team.

Rondo/Bradley/Pierce/Millsap/KG starting is great

But having Green and Terry off the bench making some $15 million between them is too much money for this team to spend. Hey, if the C's want to go into luxury tax land and inhibit their rebuilding process for the future, they can, but I doubt they will. If a small forward is being shipped out next year to save money, my opinion is it is Green