Stephen A Smith: Caron Butler, Bledsoe, Blake Griffin..for KG, Pierce...and Doc?

[Celtics4ever]

wishful thinking I think as well.

[Moranis]

Haha this rumor is so hilariously terrible.

Imagine if we then flipped rondo and bass to sactown for cousins, Evans, and a bad contract filler... Our lineup could be:

Bledsoe/terry
Evans/Bradley
Green/butler
Griffin/sully
Cousins/Jordan

Haha how exciting would that team be? Crazy.

  If you get Griffin and Jordan there's no reason to take on a head case and a volume shooter like Cousins and Evans.

I agree, though I could certainly see why you might move Rondo with Bledsoe around, but it would be to get a real and big time SG or SF moving forward.  I'm not sure what trade that might be, but that would be the rationale.  I wouldn't trade Rondo in that instance personally as I think he would be a great fit with Griffin and I would just play Rondo and Bledsoe together a lot, but that is just me.

[BballTim]

Haha this rumor is so hilariously terrible.

Imagine if we then flipped rondo and bass to sactown for cousins, Evans, and a bad contract filler... Our lineup could be:

Bledsoe/terry
Evans/Bradley
Green/butler
Griffin/sully
Cousins/Jordan

Haha how exciting would that team be? Crazy.

  If you get Griffin and Jordan there's no reason to take on a head case and a volume shooter like Cousins and Evans.

I agree, though I could certainly see why you might move Rondo with Bledsoe around, but it would be to get a real and big time SG or SF moving forward.  I'm not sure what trade that might be, but that would be the rationale.  I wouldn't trade Rondo in that instance personally as I think he would be a great fit with Griffin and I would just play Rondo and Bledsoe together a lot, but that is just me.

  If you have to trade one of Rondo and Bledsoe trade Bledsoe, I don't think he's a really great pg. If you think that he could play alongside Rondo then a Rondo/Bledsoe/Green/Griffin/Jordan lineup would be pretty strong.

[Moranis]

Haha this rumor is so hilariously terrible.

Imagine if we then flipped rondo and bass to sactown for cousins, Evans, and a bad contract filler... Our lineup could be:

Bledsoe/terry
Evans/Bradley
Green/butler
Griffin/sully
Cousins/Jordan

Haha how exciting would that team be? Crazy.

  If you get Griffin and Jordan there's no reason to take on a head case and a volume shooter like Cousins and Evans.

I agree, though I could certainly see why you might move Rondo with Bledsoe around, but it would be to get a real and big time SG or SF moving forward.  I'm not sure what trade that might be, but that would be the rationale.  I wouldn't trade Rondo in that instance personally as I think he would be a great fit with Griffin and I would just play Rondo and Bledsoe together a lot, but that is just me.

  If you have to trade one of Rondo and Bledsoe trade Bledsoe, I don't think he's a really great pg. If you think that he could play alongside Rondo then a Rondo/Bledsoe/Green/Griffin/Jordan lineup would be pretty strong.

Yeah but you won't get anywhere near what you could get for Rondo that you would get for Bledsoe, plus the dollars would have to be made up somewhere and Boston has no expiring deals (thus to include bass, lee, or terry you hurt the value even more).  I can certainly see the arguments for trading either, I would personally try to keep both and see what they can play together.

[Jeff]

mods can do what they want, but I suggest a thread title change or merge with another thread

[BballTim]

Haha this rumor is so hilariously terrible.

Imagine if we then flipped rondo and bass to sactown for cousins, Evans, and a bad contract filler... Our lineup could be:

Bledsoe/terry
Evans/Bradley
Green/butler
Griffin/sully
Cousins/Jordan

Haha how exciting would that team be? Crazy.

  If you get Griffin and Jordan there's no reason to take on a head case and a volume shooter like Cousins and Evans.

I agree, though I could certainly see why you might move Rondo with Bledsoe around, but it would be to get a real and big time SG or SF moving forward.  I'm not sure what trade that might be, but that would be the rationale.  I wouldn't trade Rondo in that instance personally as I think he would be a great fit with Griffin and I would just play Rondo and Bledsoe together a lot, but that is just me.

  If you have to trade one of Rondo and Bledsoe trade Bledsoe, I don't think he's a really great pg. If you think that he could play alongside Rondo then a Rondo/Bledsoe/Green/Griffin/Jordan lineup would be pretty strong.

Yeah but you won't get anywhere near what you could get for Rondo that you would get for Bledsoe, plus the dollars would have to be made up somewhere and Boston has no expiring deals (thus to include bass, lee, or terry you hurt the value even more).  I can certainly see the arguments for trading either, I would personally try to keep both and see what they can play together.

  You could get more for Rondo but I think players that can perform like him in the postseason are very valuable, especially when you've got a player like Griffin on the team. I'd probably try Rondo and Bledsoe together as well.

[Moranis]

I've been thinking about the trade and how I think it might make enough sense for LAC to do.

I think to get Jordan, Griffin, and Bledsoe, Boston would have to include more than just PP, KG, and Doc (even though you can't trade coaches, I will just include him).

I think this might actually work

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

I think that starts to get LA to a point where it makes more sense.  That would leave LA with a lineup of Paul, Crawford, Pierce, Sullinger, and Garnett with Bradley, Bass, Hill, and Green under contract and they still would have the rights to Odom, Billups, Turiaf, Hollins, and Barnes.  That clearly puts them as a top tier team in the west next year and sets them up with a bunch more draft picks.  I'm still not sure why they would do this, but I think it at least gets them to consider it, especially if Doc comes along for the ride.

If they do the trade that would leave Boston as follows:

PG - Rondo/Bledsoe/Terry
SG - Lee/Bledsoe/Crawford/Williams
SF - Green/Butler/Williams
PF - Griffin/?
C - Jordan/?/Melo

I think Boston would probably shop Bledsoe (with Butler's expiring deal or Terry for dollars) and try and land a top tier back-up big man.

It would be an interesting trade for both teams to say the least.

[clover]

I've been thinking about the trade and how I think it might make enough sense for LAC to do.

I think to get Jordan, Griffin, and Bledsoe, Boston would have to include more than just PP, KG, and Doc (even though you can't trade coaches, I will just include him).

I think this might actually work

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

I think that starts to get LA to a point where it makes more sense.  That would leave LA with a lineup of Paul, Crawford, Pierce, Sullinger, and Garnett with Bradley, Bass, Hill, and Green under contract and they still would have the rights to Odom, Billups, Turiaf, Hollins, and Barnes.  That clearly puts them as a top tier team in the west next year and sets them up with a bunch more draft picks.  I'm still not sure why they would do this, but I think it at least gets them to consider it, especially if Doc comes along for the ride.

If they do the trade that would leave Boston as follows:

PG - Rondo/Bledsoe/Terry
SG - Lee/Bledsoe/Crawford/Williams
SF - Green/Butler/Williams
PF - Griffin/?
C - Jordan/?/Melo

I think Boston would probably shop Bledsoe (with Butler's expiring deal or Terry for dollars) and try and land a top tier back-up big man.

It would be an interesting trade for both teams to say the least.

Wouldn't it be easier to just let everyone, including Doc, stay in place and have C's fans start rooting for the Clips, while Clippers fans start following the C's?

[gpap]

I actually think it would be more realistic if the Clips/Celts did this:

KG, Pierce, Rondo, Terry for

Chris Paul (S &T), Caron Butler, Jamaal Crawford, 2014 1st round draft pick

I could see the Clippers doing this before dealing Blake as this is actually more practical for the Clippers.

You get 3 vets in Paul, KG and Terry to put around Blake and until Rondo comes back 100 percent, they have Bledsoe they can start at the PG.

For us, we get a new franchise player in CP3 we can build around and this could help make Boston a more attractive destination. If we could only then dump Bass and Lee, I wonder if we could make a run at DH12.

[SHAQATTACK]

I would trade Stephen A Smith for the FIRST North Korean sports writer they would send us.

[pearljammer10]

I actually think it would be more realistic if the Clips/Celts did this:

KG, Pierce, Rondo, Terry for

Chris Paul (S &T), Caron Butler, Jamaal Crawford, 2014 1st round draft pick

I could see the Clippers doing this before dealing Blake as this is actually more practical for the Clippers.

You get 3 vets in Paul, KG and Terry to put around Blake and until Rondo comes back 100 percent, they have Bledsoe they can start at the PG.

For us, we get a new franchise player in CP3 we can build around and this could help make Boston a more attractive destination. If we could only then dump Bass and Lee, I wonder if we could make a run at DH12.

And at that point it would shift to being less reasonable for us to do.

[ScoobyDoo]

TP Clover.

As crazy as this possible deal may sound, I actually think there may be some reality to the rumors we've been hearing.

All of this makes "a lot" of sense to me if in fact Celtics management decides to blow it up.

1. KG and Pierce both live in LA during the summer. Pierce gets to come home to finish out his career & KG and Pierce get to stay together. All of this makes "a lot" of sense to me if in fact Celtics management decides to blow it up.

2. Not only do Pierce and KG seem tied at the hip but Doc seems equally tied to both players. So it doesn't seem far fetched for Doc to make the move with them as well. Also remember, a lot of the "great" coaches have gone where they have great talent ready to win.

Now as for the trade:
Jordan, Bledsoe and Butler for KG & Pierce would be a reasonable trade. The Clippers could then go after a free agent big man, use their mid level on an off guard and sign a back up point gurad behind Chris Paul.

If we want Griffin, I agree I think we'd have to throw Sullinger into the mix as well.

To be honest, if as reported, Griffin clashes with Chris Paul, a return  of a top rookie in Sullinger at Griffin's position is not bad, within the overall context of the trade.

[gpap]

I actually think it would be more realistic if the Clips/Celts did this:

KG, Pierce, Rondo, Terry for

Chris Paul (S &T), Caron Butler, Jamaal Crawford, 2014 1st round draft pick

I could see the Clippers doing this before dealing Blake as this is actually more practical for the Clippers.

You get 3 vets in Paul, KG and Terry to put around Blake and until Rondo comes back 100 percent, they have Bledsoe they can start at the PG.

For us, we get a new franchise player in CP3 we can build around and this could help make Boston a more attractive destination. If we could only then dump Bass and Lee, I wonder if we could make a run at DH12.

And at that point it would shift to being less reasonable for us to do.

How so? At this point, CP3 is better than Rondo, Caron Butler and Paul Pierce are basically a wash and Crawford is a dynamic outside shooter and MUCH better than Terry plus we get another first round pick in a very deep draft.

Granted, KG's departure would leave a void, but I am sure this would just be the first domino in another move to land another big (either Josh Smith, Al Jefferson or maybe Dwight in free agency.)

OR, we could possibly include either Sully or Bass in the deal instead of Terry and get Deandre Jordan in the deal, that way we get another big.

So then the deal would look like this:
Clippers get KG, Pierce, Rondo and either Bass or Sully
Celts get CP3, Deandre Jordan and Caron Butler

I'd rather move forward with a franchise player under the age of 30 then over.

[Kane3387]

I actually think it would be more realistic if the Clips/Celts did this:

KG, Pierce, Rondo, Terry for

Chris Paul (S &T), Caron Butler, Jamaal Crawford, 2014 1st round draft pick

I could see the Clippers doing this before dealing Blake as this is actually more practical for the Clippers.

You get 3 vets in Paul, KG and Terry to put around Blake and until Rondo comes back 100 percent, they have Bledsoe they can start at the PG.

For us, we get a new franchise player in CP3 we can build around and this could help make Boston a more attractive destination. If we could only then dump Bass and Lee, I wonder if we could make a run at DH12.

And at that point it would shift to being less reasonable for us to do.

How so? At this point, CP3 is better than Rondo, Caron Butler and Paul Pierce are basically a wash and Crawford is a dynamic outside shooter and MUCH better than Terry plus we get another first round pick in a very deep draft.

Granted, KG's departure would leave a void, but I am sure this would just be the first domino in another move to land another big (either Josh Smith, Al Jefferson or maybe Dwight in free agency.)

OR, we could possibly include either Sully or Bass in the deal instead of Terry and get Deandre Jordan in the deal, that way we get another big.

So then the deal would look like this:
Clippers get KG, Pierce, Rondo and either Bass or Sully
Celts get CP3, Deandre Jordan and Caron Butler

I'd rather move forward with a franchise player under the age of 30 then over.

Why would CP3 agree to a S+T to Boston in this scenario?

B/C he soooo badly wants to play with Jeff Green and for Doc Rivers?

I don't get the logic on his part.

[AB_Celtic]

Jordan, Griffin, Bledsoe, Butler

for

Pierce, Garnett, Bradley, Sullinger, Bass, 2014 1st (top 20 prot.), 2016 1st (top 20 prot.)

Take out Bass and the salaries work. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgedsft

Pretty fair to me... swap PG's (Bradley-Bledsoe), SF's (Pierce-Butler), PF's (Sullinger-Griffin), and C's (Garnett-Jordan).

However, we'd basically be the Clippers:
PG: Rondo ~= Paul
SG: Lee ~= W.Green
SF: J.Green ? Butler
PF: Griffin = Griffin
C: Jordan = Jordan

So really, the question is do you think Jeff Green is enough to push us over the top; that is, make us better than the current Clippers? I don't know if he is.