Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I voted the "playoffs" thing.

As of right now for me, it's looking like $9 million is just the right price for Green and is leaning towards a bargain with the way his playing.

But I need to see it come playoff time. I need to see what he can bring when it's needed most.

But as of now, he's not looking like an overpaid player to me.

[Boris Badenov]

No.

He is still a good player making to much money on a team without enough young stars going forward. 

And it is not about what others are making.  It is about the next reloading around Rondo.  Green is the type of contract that mucks up cap flexibility.

I would agree with this except for the fact that his play this year has made him more tradable.

My biggest fear was that he'd under-achieve this year and we'd be stuck with the contract with no hope of escaping it. But if he's viewed as having a reasonable contract for his performance, we can move him if we want to.

[Vermont Green]

I don't think anyone will give us a superstar, depending I guess on what you consider a superstar.

Chris Paul? (no, been there, tried that).  Think the Knicks would give us Carmelo for Green and Rondo?  Seems unlikely to me.  The Lakers would probably give us Dwight Howard.  Or are we talking a superstar more in the range of LaMarcus Aldridge?

[Kane3387]

This is the dichotomy of Jeff Green:

Is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the last two months playing for the Celtics? Or is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the first two months he was playing for the Celtics? Is he the young talent with potential or is he the 6 year vet with a fairly mediocre overall career? Is he a bargain or is he overpaid? Is he star material or role playing bench material?

The dichotomy of Jeff Green is there is enough evidence to believe all the good things about Jeff Green as well as all the bad things about Jeff Green. He constantly displays reasons to both believe in him and doubt him greatly.

So is he a bargain or is he over paid? Guess that depends or which Jeff Green you think actually is playing for the Boston Celtics, the Jeff Green from 2013 or the Jeff Green that has existed prior to that? Or is this just another peak in a sine like wave that is Jeff green and his play?

Guess some of that would depend on how difficult you feel coming back from heart surgery is.

[ctrey]

I would say he is a slight bargain. He puts up the same stats as Nicolas Batum and is paid about 2 million less per year. Yes, Batum is 2 years younger but Green is a far superior defender. Fact is, Small Forwards producing like Green get around 8 to 10 million a year. I think the medias attack of his contract was the fact they felt we were not bidding against anyone along with the lingering pro Perk sentiment. I tend to think we were doing him, and more importantly his agent David Falk, a solid so Falk would direct free agent talent our way down the road. I have it on good authority these kind of quid pro quo deals go on.

[jojowhite10]

Yeah, the more I think about Green, the more I believe there really is no comparison you can make with the guy. His situation is extremely unique, and I only think time can tell.

He was a #5 pick who on most teams would have been a stud rookie. He went to Seattle with Durant and played second/third fiddle on offense. Then he was traded to Boston which had the Big 3 and Rondo.

Green finally has been thrust into a position where he needs to perform like a first option. He also has dealt with the extremely serious situation of his heart surgery.

I think Green's contract could turn out to be a solid one, especially if KG and Pierce retire sooner rather than later.

#TabulaRasa

[CelticConcourse]

And finally, he's been stuck behind HOF SFs for his whole career.

[nickagneta]

I know Jeff Green fans love to gush all over his big point nights and start asking questions like "Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?" or "Is Jeff Green a top 5 SF" or "What other players have the skill set of Jeff Green?" after he's gone off.

Well last night should have been the big night for you. Jeff Green got to be an all-by-himself, number 1 option, playing against a bad team as a Celtic with the opportunity to show the world he has arrived and lead his team to victory with a big night.

Instead he struggled.

Jeff is a great role playing player. He is best trying to do what he does best and not much more. He can hit the long range jumper and this year he's doing it better than most year's. He can go to the hole and get his as long as its against a mismatch. If he has an above average defending small forward guarding him, he's can't do that nearly as well. He plays good perimeter defense on larger players but will never be confused with a great defender. His rebounding is loathsome as his rebounding percentage and per game numbers are embarrassing for a superior athlete of his size and strength.

And most importantly, he has done this before. He's had great 2 month stretches in the past and then gone on to fall back. he is as consistently inconsistent as any better than average player in the league.

I don't see that being worth $36 million over 4 years. Not by a long shot.

[indeedproceed]

This is the dichotomy of Jeff Green:

Is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the last two months playing for the Celtics? Or is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the first two months he was playing for the Celtics? Is he the young talent with potential or is he the 6 year vet with a fairly mediocre overall career? Is he a bargain or is he overpaid? Is he star material or role playing bench material?

The dichotomy of Jeff Green is there is enough evidence to believe all the good things about Jeff Green as well as all the bad things about Jeff Green. He constantly displays reasons to both believe in him and doubt him greatly.

So is he a bargain or is he over paid? Guess that depends or which Jeff Green you think actually is playing for the Boston Celtics, the Jeff Green from 2013 or the Jeff Green that has existed prior to that? Or is this just another peak in a sine like wave that is Jeff green and his play?

Guess some of that would depend on how difficult you feel coming back from heart surgery is.

Or how heavily you want to weigh his entire career up until the last two months.

[CelticConcourse]

I know Jeff Green fans love to gush all over his big point nights and start asking questions like "Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?" or "Is Jeff Green a top 5 SF" or "What other players have the skill set of Jeff Green?" after he's gone off.

Well last night should have been the big night for you. Jeff Green got to be an all-by-himself, number 1 option, playing against a bad team as a Celtic with the opportunity to show the world he has arrived and lead his team to victory with a big night.

Instead he struggled.

Jeff is a great role playing player. He is best trying to do what he does best and not much more. He can hit the long range jumper and this year he's doing it better than most year's. He can go to the hole and get his as long as its against a mismatch. If he has an above average defending small forward guarding him, he's can't do that nearly as well. He plays good perimeter defense on larger players but will never be confused with a great defender. His rebounding is loathsome as his rebounding percentage and per game numbers are embarrassing for a superior athlete of his size and strength.

And most importantly, he has done this before. He's had great 2 month stretches in the past and then gone on to fall back. he is as consistently inconsistent as any better than average player in the league.

I don't see that being worth $36 million over 4 years. Not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

Do you think no other team would want Jeff (playing at his current capacity) for four years @ $9mil/year? I don't know, but that's kind of hard to believe (for me, at least. I respect your opinion)

[Kane3387]

This is the dichotomy of Jeff Green:

Is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the last two months playing for the Celtics? Or is he the Jeff Green who looks like the Jeff Green of the first two months he was playing for the Celtics? Is he the young talent with potential or is he the 6 year vet with a fairly mediocre overall career? Is he a bargain or is he overpaid? Is he star material or role playing bench material?

The dichotomy of Jeff Green is there is enough evidence to believe all the good things about Jeff Green as well as all the bad things about Jeff Green. He constantly displays reasons to both believe in him and doubt him greatly.

So is he a bargain or is he over paid? Guess that depends or which Jeff Green you think actually is playing for the Boston Celtics, the Jeff Green from 2013 or the Jeff Green that has existed prior to that? Or is this just another peak in a sine like wave that is Jeff green and his play?

Guess some of that would depend on how difficult you feel coming back from heart surgery is.

Or how heavily you want to weigh his entire career up until the last two months.

Playing out of position and off the bench...

You can go back and forth forever on this guy. I see both sides of it.

[Moranis]

I know Jeff Green fans love to gush all over his big point nights and start asking questions like "Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?" or "Is Jeff Green a top 5 SF" or "What other players have the skill set of Jeff Green?" after he's gone off.

Well last night should have been the big night for you. Jeff Green got to be an all-by-himself, number 1 option, playing against a bad team as a Celtic with the opportunity to show the world he has arrived and lead his team to victory with a big night.

Instead he struggled.

Jeff is a great role playing player. He is best trying to do what he does best and not much more. He can hit the long range jumper and this year he's doing it better than most year's. He can go to the hole and get his as long as its against a mismatch. If he has an above average defending small forward guarding him, he's can't do that nearly as well. He plays good perimeter defense on larger players but will never be confused with a great defender. His rebounding is loathsome as his rebounding percentage and per game numbers are embarrassing for a superior athlete of his size and strength.

And most importantly, he has done this before. He's had great 2 month stretches in the past and then gone on to fall back. he is as consistently inconsistent as any better than average player in the league.

I don't see that being worth $36 million over 4 years. Not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

Do you think no other team would want Jeff (playing at his current capacity) for four years @ $9mil/year? I don't know, but that's kind of hard to believe (for me, at least. I respect your opinion)

Who, aside from Boston obviously, was going to give Jeff Green, 4 yrs, 36 million last year?

[CelticConcourse]

I know Jeff Green fans love to gush all over his big point nights and start asking questions like "Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?" or "Is Jeff Green a top 5 SF" or "What other players have the skill set of Jeff Green?" after he's gone off.

Well last night should have been the big night for you. Jeff Green got to be an all-by-himself, number 1 option, playing against a bad team as a Celtic with the opportunity to show the world he has arrived and lead his team to victory with a big night.

Instead he struggled.

Jeff is a great role playing player. He is best trying to do what he does best and not much more. He can hit the long range jumper and this year he's doing it better than most year's. He can go to the hole and get his as long as its against a mismatch. If he has an above average defending small forward guarding him, he's can't do that nearly as well. He plays good perimeter defense on larger players but will never be confused with a great defender. His rebounding is loathsome as his rebounding percentage and per game numbers are embarrassing for a superior athlete of his size and strength.

And most importantly, he has done this before. He's had great 2 month stretches in the past and then gone on to fall back. he is as consistently inconsistent as any better than average player in the league.

I don't see that being worth $36 million over 4 years. Not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

Do you think no other team would want Jeff (playing at his current capacity) for four years @ $9mil/year? I don't know, but that's kind of hard to believe (for me, at least. I respect your opinion)

Who, aside from Boston obviously, was going to give Jeff Green, 4 yrs, 36 million last year?

I just don't see why it has to be, who was going to give him the money last year. It's four years for a reason: Ainge believes that Jeff Green will be performing solidly at an average of $9 million, for four years. We're two-thirds of the way into the first year, and there's just no way we can decide if it's a bust or a steal.

At his current playing rate, I'm sure at least 8 teams would pay him $9 mil, guaranteed. And like I said earlier: I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

I think his market value is somewhere around $9mil/year, especially if the team signing him gets him locked up for his prime.

[Roy H.]

In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays

This would mean that no player, ever, could be considered overpaid, right?

[Moranis]

I know Jeff Green fans love to gush all over his big point nights and start asking questions like "Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?" or "Is Jeff Green a top 5 SF" or "What other players have the skill set of Jeff Green?" after he's gone off.

Well last night should have been the big night for you. Jeff Green got to be an all-by-himself, number 1 option, playing against a bad team as a Celtic with the opportunity to show the world he has arrived and lead his team to victory with a big night.

Instead he struggled.

Jeff is a great role playing player. He is best trying to do what he does best and not much more. He can hit the long range jumper and this year he's doing it better than most year's. He can go to the hole and get his as long as its against a mismatch. If he has an above average defending small forward guarding him, he's can't do that nearly as well. He plays good perimeter defense on larger players but will never be confused with a great defender. His rebounding is loathsome as his rebounding percentage and per game numbers are embarrassing for a superior athlete of his size and strength.

And most importantly, he has done this before. He's had great 2 month stretches in the past and then gone on to fall back. he is as consistently inconsistent as any better than average player in the league.

I don't see that being worth $36 million over 4 years. Not by a long shot.

Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. But I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

Do you think no other team would want Jeff (playing at his current capacity) for four years @ $9mil/year? I don't know, but that's kind of hard to believe (for me, at least. I respect your opinion)

Who, aside from Boston obviously, was going to give Jeff Green, 4 yrs, 36 million last year?

I just don't see why it has to be, who was going to give him the money last year. It's four years for a reason: Ainge believes that Jeff Green will be performing solidly at an average of $9 million, for four years. We're two-thirds of the way into the first year, and there's just no way we can decide if it's a bust or a steal.

At his current playing rate, I'm sure at least 8 teams would pay him $9 mil, guaranteed. And like I said earlier: I'm curious as to what you think "being worth $36 million over 4 years" truly constitutes. In my opinion, market value is how much the market pays, and if a a certain type of player deserves just $5mil/year, but can get offers of $8mil/year from ten teams, then he's an $8mil/year player.

I think his market value is somewhere around $9mil/year, especially if the team signing him gets him locked up for his prime.

my comment was directly to your point on market value.  If no team, aside from Boston, was going to give Jeff Green 4 yrs, 36 million, then Boston did not pay market value.