Is Jeff Green's contract starting to look like a bargain?

[wdleehi]

Not a bargain per se but the right amount, yes.  Guys of his height and ability get paid what he got paid, it's that simple.  But of course to those who don't look at the market he is overpaid.

It is not about the market.  It is about using the cap smartly.  The top teams (who are consistently in the top outside the Lakers and their LALA money) rarely sign role players to such contracts.  They might trade for a similar level guy who is closer to the end of their contract, but most of their money is tied up to their top starters/stars. 

[Moranis]

No.



He is still a good player making to much money on a team without enough young stars going forward. 



And it is not about what others are making.  It is about the next reloading around Rondo.  Green is the type of contract that mucks up cap flexibility.

This is where I am at as well.  Contract just doesn't make sense for what he brings and where the team is headed.

[coco]

No.



He is still a good player making to much money on a team without enough young stars going forward. 



And it is not about what others are making.  It is about the next reloading around Rondo.  Green is the type of contract that mucks up cap flexibility.

This is where I am at as well.  Contract just doesn't make sense for what he brings and where the team is headed.

I think JG price is right; but I'll tell  you what would be a ridiculous contract....going after Josh Smith contract/money

[wdleehi]

No.



He is still a good player making to much money on a team without enough young stars going forward. 



And it is not about what others are making.  It is about the next reloading around Rondo.  Green is the type of contract that mucks up cap flexibility.

This is where I am at as well.  Contract just doesn't make sense for what he brings and where the team is headed.

I think JG price is right; but I'll tell  you what would be a ridiculous contract....going after Josh Smith contract/money

That contract will likely be to high as well since there will be teams that will be willing to pay that "Market Price"




All it takes is one GM to shift the market price the wrong way.

[Moranis]

No.



He is still a good player making to much money on a team without enough young stars going forward. 



And it is not about what others are making.  It is about the next reloading around Rondo.  Green is the type of contract that mucks up cap flexibility.

This is where I am at as well.  Contract just doesn't make sense for what he brings and where the team is headed.

I think JG price is right; but I'll tell  you what would be a ridiculous contract....going after Josh Smith contract/money

I think JG probably has market value given his play, but you don't sign your 3/4 option before you have at least your 1st and 2nd options (rondo is one of them obviously), because it makes it way harder to get the top tier guys when you don't have cap space and you have a bunch of mid-tier veterans on your team (so it isn't really bad).  And if it was just Green, I'd feel better but the Celtics also have pretty good sized contracts in Bass, Lee, and Terry, which will make it almost impossible for Boston to get a top tier player any time in the next 3 seasons.

[tonyto3690]

I'm not understanding why people are saying he's going to be a great fit with rondo.

If rondo isn't able to become a spot up shooter there will
Be issues.

The problem with green in the beginning of the year was he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and rondo dominates the ball and needs the ball even more.

[BballTim]

I'm not understanding why people are saying he's going to be a great fit with rondo.

If rondo isn't able to become a spot up shooter there will
Be issues.

The problem with green in the beginning of the year was he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and rondo dominates the ball and needs the ball even more.

  The problem with Green at the beginning of the season was that he was rusty from a year off and still recovering from heart surgery. He was shooting very poorly earlier in the year and steadily improved as the season progressed. Green and Rondo might not be a perfect combo but neither are Rondo and PP (who likes to have the ball in his hands) and they've had quite a bit of success together.

[Celtics18]

I'm not understanding why people are saying he's going to be a great fit with rondo.

If rondo isn't able to become a spot up shooter there will
Be issues.

The problem with green in the beginning of the year was he needs the ball in his hands to be effective and rondo dominates the ball and needs the ball even more.

I think this is a terrible assessment of what was happening earlier in the year.  Jeff Green is not a guy, like Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo, who thrives on being the man with the ball in his hands and initiating the offense.  He is more of a finisher than a creator. 

Now that he's gotten his feet wet as a Celtic, I am very confident that he will thrive alongside Rondo, particularly after Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett ride off into the sunset.  I definitely think he thrives on being a top option--that was very difficult for him to be with
Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett all playing--but that doesn't mean he should be the primary ballhandler.

[Roy H.]

If Green keeps defending like he has, and keeps hitting over 40% of his threes, then it's going to be a pretty fair contract, or even a team-friendly one.

Let's see if he continues that level of play into the playoffs and then next season before making any assessments.  I do think it's fair to say that the deal is no longer an unmoveable albatross, though.

[Jeff]

said when he signed the contract that his absolute upside is to "earn" his paycheck - right now he's earning it - I'm knocking on wood that he keeps it up

it is what it is, the market pays free agents with talent so "overpaid" vs. "underpaid" is all relative to what you think the standard should be - that's different for everyone

[JSD]

If Green keeps defending like he has, and keeps hitting over 40% of his threes, then it's going to be a pretty fair contract, or even a team-friendly one.

Let's see if he continues that level of play into the playoffs and then next season before making any assessments.  I do think it's fair to say that the deal is no longer an unmoveable albatross, though.

I'm still in wait and see mode, myself. How will his play be affected when Rondo comes back? Are those two going to be able to play together and have chemistry?

[crimson_stallion]

You guys do realise that Jeff is averaging 22 points (55% FG, 51% 3PT, 75%FT), 3.5 assists and 6  rebounds per game over 9 games as a starter...right?

Its a fairly modest sample size, but when he's started he's been playing borderline all-star basketball.

How many athletic, long, 6'9", 26 year old guys are there in the league putting up those numbers for $9M a year?

Over the recent stretch without KG, Green has arguably been better then Pierce offensively - similar output but more efficient.  He's started 9 games, and in that space he's had a 40 point game, a 30 point game and two or three 27 point games.

If (and 'if is the key word here) he keeps this up, $9m a year is a major bargain.

I think Rondo and Green can co-exist as long as Green earns Rondo's trust, which he should well and truly have done after this stretch.  Pierce and Green are actually somewhat similar offensive players - they can catch and shoot effectively, but are better when they have the ball in their hands and creating off the dribble.  Rondo has worked well with Pierce for years, so Green may work with him yet.

Terry is basically the same age as Pierce and KG, I would imagine all three will retire together so I wouldmt worry much about Terry's contract.  Lee we can trade for cap space hopefully (maybe Bass too) while Sully and AB are both on very affordable deals.   As is Crawford.

[Clench123]

I still think he's overpaid.  Despite playing real good right now, I'll wait till playoffs to see if he's earned it. 

[zimbo]

The playoffs will show me if he is real.

[clover]

You guys do realise that Jeff is averaging 22 points (55% FG, 51% 3PT, 75%FT), 3.5 assists and 6  rebounds per game over 9 games as a starter...right?

Its a fairly modest sample size, but when he's started he's been playing borderline all-star basketball.

How many athletic, long, 6'9", 26 year old guys are there in the league putting up those numbers for $9M a year?

Over the recent stretch without KG, Green has arguably been better then Pierce offensively - similar output but more efficient.  He's started 9 games, and in that space he's had a 40 point game, a 30 point game and two or three 27 point games.

If (and 'if is the key word here) he keeps this up, $9m a year is a major bargain.

I think Rondo and Green can co-exist as long as Green earns Rondo's trust, which he should well and truly have done after this stretch.  Pierce and Green are actually somewhat similar offensive players - they can catch and shoot effectively, but are better when they have the ball in their hands and creating off the dribble.  Rondo has worked well with Pierce for years, so Green may work with him yet.

Terry is basically the same age as Pierce and KG, I would imagine all three will retire together so I wouldmt worry much about Terry's contract.  Lee we can trade for cap space hopefully (maybe Bass too) while Sully and AB are both on very affordable deals.   As is Crawford.

I think Terry is healthier than KG and can use the money more, so I wouldn't tie KG's career longevity to the JET's.