Would you rather have Rondo or Sullinger back right now?

[Roy H.]

is that 17-11 without Rondo, Sully and Barbosa?

Whats the record without Rondo but with Sully and Barbosa?

As you probably remember, Sully got hurt two games after Rondo did.  We were 2-0 in those Rondo-less games with Sully.  In the second game, Sully played four minutes and didn't score a point, so it's basically one game.

[go11celtics]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

I can just as easily attribute the 20-23 record to Bradley being banged up right?

[Tr1boy]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

thanks. I think i would take 16-7 anyday of the year vs 23-20.  And the Bradley argument is weak. What , suddenly the 7th day Bradley is so much better than the 6th day  bradley? Rondo had all the tools

We lost to teams like GS, Atlanta, New York etc. Without Rondo we beat them. 

I'm sure with 2008 we win. I know we are a better team with Rondo, but the blue collar version, not this Gilber Arenas version

[kgainez]

I dont understand how some of you can say 'stats can easily be skewed' but then not listen to anyone who tries to give an 'eye-test'...and what if I give you both?

Here's my interpretation of the 20-23 vs 17-11....
WHY DO WE HAVE A BETTER RECORD WITHOUT OUR STAR PLAYER?

CP3 goes down, that team goes on a skid.
Knicks had all those injuries, primarily to their stars Melo and Tyson Chandler, they've barely been 50-50 since the new year.

If Heat lose LeBron, I'm sure they skid. If OKC loses Durant and/or RW, I'm sure they skid.

So my question is why didn't we?
Some will say the Ewing Theory, but in my EYE-TEST and in almost every stat I've read, we've just played better. No if ands or buts. Whether it was AB or JG or slumps or whatever. We just did.

That boggles my mind

And because of that, as much as I like Rondo, whatever he brought (notice past-tense) or didn't bring, I'm not willing to sacrifice that for the team we have now where things had been working (before the 5 game skid that I personally attribute to KG being out -- oh and remember what I said about teams skidding without their best player? smh).

BUT I do think that Sullinger was a great addition to the team. And it'd be nice to have a formidable Brandon Bass backup that can make shots and hit free throws. And several of our games, again I feel like, couldve been won off a good offensive rebound or two.

That's just my personal opinion. And I think alot of people's who are not saying Rondo.

[Tr1boy]

Wait, this isn't serious, right?
I know no other way to comprehend that which I read.

bc you are still in memory lane and reminicing about 2010 rondo?  No offense but thats how most of the people here are. I blame Doc too , for letting Rondo off. If he played like he did earlier this year in a San Antonio uniform, he would be coming off the bench or got some serious yelling by Pops

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

I believe we were below .500 in games Sullinger played, at 22-23, and something like 15-11 without him.  Does that also suggest that we're better without Sully, or that his play is the reason we were losing?

Did sully have possesion of the ball like 70 percent of the time?? once rondo was out , he did get to have a chance out on the key and in the post. And made a nice contribution.

I'm interested in the lineup with Rondo and everyone else vs Without Rondo and everyone. Not the super depleted team we got now

Sullinger played in 2 games after Rondo went down. In one of those games he played 4 minutes.
Honestly, what are you talking about?
The Miami game he played well. The next game, vs. The Kings, he played 4 minutes. What are these improvements and contributions liberated from Rondo we are supposed to be looking at?

You are making up evidence based on nothing to back up points that you have formulated outside of reality.
This is sports talk radio level discourse.

[kgainez]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

I'm sure with 2008 we win. I know we are a better team with Rondo, but the blue collar version, not this Gilber Arenas version

God, I agree with this so much. Smh.

[go11celtics]

Wait, this isn't serious, right?
I know no other way to comprehend that which I read.

bc you are still in memory lane and reminicing about 2010 rondo?  No offense but thats how most of the people here are. I blame Doc too , for letting Rondo off. If he played like he did earlier this year in a San Antonio uniform, he would be coming off the bench or got some serious yelling by Pops

Yup. Pop would definitely bench rondo. Clearly there is no convincing you, so why bother? If you don't like the new face of the franchise why bother wasting so much time with this team?

[Tr1boy]

Wait, this isn't serious, right?
I know no other way to comprehend that which I read.

bc you are still in memory lane and reminicing about 2010 rondo?  No offense but thats how most of the people here are. I blame Doc too , for letting Rondo off. If he played like he did earlier this year in a San Antonio uniform, he would be coming off the bench or got some serious yelling by Pops

Yup. Pop would definitely bench rondo. Clearly there is no convincing you, so why bother? If you don't like the new face of the franchise why bother wasting so much time with this team?

Bc to me Rondo does not = Celtics. Its about the team and winning as a team

[kgainez]

Wait, this isn't serious, right?
I know no other way to comprehend that which I read.

bc you are still in memory lane and reminicing about 2010 rondo?  No offense but thats how most of the people here are. I blame Doc too , for letting Rondo off. If he played like he did earlier this year in a San Antonio uniform, he would be coming off the bench or got some serious yelling by Pops

Yup. Pop would definitely bench rondo. Clearly there is no convincing you, so why bother? If you don't like the new face of the franchise why bother wasting so much time with this team?

Pop?
The guy that benches his stars when they dont play right?
The guy who will let his bench stay in if they're hot?
The guy who doesn't start ginobli?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

I'm sure with 2008 we win. I know we are a better team with Rondo, but the blue collar version, not this Gilber Arenas version

God, I agree with this so much. Smh.

I don't know who this "Gilber Arenas" is, but sure, sounds great to me.

I honestly can't believe the ludicrous things I am reading. It is like a whole group of people mainlined WEEI and ESPN First Take straight into their veins and let their fingers run wild on the internet. This is why no one reads Zach Lowe but people love Skip Bayless. Why Bill Simmons is thought to know anything about basketball. Why the Plaschke's and Paige's, everyone knows their names, but people actually thinking about basketball, not broadcasts, haven't made inroads yet to the popular discourse. Thank god it is changing because this b....s... is getting way old.

[sed522002]

I dont understand how some of you can say 'stats can easily be skewed' but then not listen to anyone who tries to give an 'eye-test'...and what if I give you both?

Here's my interpretation of the 20-23 vs 17-11....
WHY DO WE HAVE A BETTER RECORD WITHOUT OUR STAR PLAYER?

CP3 goes down, that team goes on a skid.
Knicks had all those injuries, primarily to their stars Melo and Tyson Chandler, they've barely been 50-50 since the new year.

If Heat lose LeBron, I'm sure they skid. If OKC loses Durant and/or RW, I'm sure they skid.

So my question is why didn't we?
Some will say the Ewing Theory, but in my EYE-TEST and in almost every stat I've read, we've just played better. No if ands or buts. Whether it was AB or JG or slumps or whatever. We just did.

That boggles my mind

And because of that, as much as I like Rondo, whatever he brought (notice past-tense) or didn't bring, I'm not willing to sacrifice that for the team we have now where things had been working (before the 5 game skid that I personally attribute to KG being out -- oh and remember what I said about teams skidding without their best player? smh).

BUT I do think that Sullinger was a great addition to the team. And it'd be nice to have a formidable Brandon Bass backup that can make shots and hit free throws. And several of our games, again I feel like, couldve been won off a good offensive rebound or two.

That's just my personal opinion. And I think alot of people's who are not saying Rondo.

-When CP3 first went down for those extended games the Clippers were actually winning a few immediately after, then they started to lose
-Knicks beat Miami and plenty playoff teams without Melo and Amare at the beginning of the season
-Are we even going to talk about losing Lebron? He's the BEST player in the league right now of course the Heat would lose a big piece of their game
-KD holds the league scoring title and is/should be the main scoring option for OKC that would greatly hurt their team.

Rondo is a very important player for the C's, but he wasn't their 1st line for offense and he didn't want to be (when you have guys like PP and KG). They're stacked at the guard and they were able to pick up the slack, but the lack of ball handling is showing now with teams pressuring our guards and causing them to TO before they even fully bring the ball up.

[SparzWizard]

Playoff Rondo is what we need, regular season Sully is a plus.

But if next season Sully can produce good rebounding numbers including the playoffs, that's an even bigger plus.

[sed522002]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

I'm sure with 2008 we win. I know we are a better team with Rondo, but the blue collar version, not this Gilber Arenas version

God, I agree with this so much. Smh.

I don't know who this "Gilber Arenas" is, but sure, sounds great to me.

I honestly can't believe the ludicrous things I am reading. It is like a whole group of people mainlined WEEI and ESPN First Take straight into their veins and let their fingers run wild on the internet. This is why no one reads Zach Lowe but people love Skip Bayless. Why Bill Simmons is thought to know anything about basketball. Why the Plaschke's and Paige's, everyone knows their names, but people actually thinking about basketball, not broadcasts, haven't made inroads yet to the popular discourse. Thank god it is changing because this b....s... is getting way old.

Half of the comments on this blog are laughable. This fan base can be so bi-polar.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

I'm sure with 2008 we win. I know we are a better team with Rondo, but the blue collar version, not this Gilber Arenas version

God, I agree with this so much. Smh.

I don't know who this "Gilber Arenas" is, but sure, sounds great to me.

I honestly can't believe the ludicrous things I am reading. It is like a whole group of people mainlined WEEI and ESPN First Take straight into their veins and let their fingers run wild on the internet. This is why no one reads Zach Lowe but people love Skip Bayless. Why Bill Simmons is thought to know anything about basketball. Why the Plaschke's and Paige's, everyone knows their names, but people actually thinking about basketball, not broadcasts, haven't made inroads yet to the popular discourse. Thank god it is changing because this b....s... is getting way old.

Half of the comments on this blog are laughable. This fan base can be so bi-polar.

yeah especially the ones from chainsmokinglikedino. Probably chain smoking as we speak. And not cigs either