Would you rather have Rondo or Sullinger back right now?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

You people are insane.
The fact that this is even being debating is lunacy.
I love The Celtics, but, by god, I can't stand the fans half the time.
I don't even understand some of the arguments being made in this thread. Straight up sports talk radio absurdity.

[CelticConcourse]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

You act like Rondo's 44-point game is the only time he's ever played well in the playoffs.

Go look at his game log.  He has a pile of impressive playoff games.

no its not. But how many times did rondo score within the last 5 min of an important playoff game?? I'm not stating Sully has done anything either obviously, but i think Rondo's contribution is overstated by many in this forum. without him we were way over 500 beating some pretty darn good teams. With him earlier in the year we weren't that great. He went lazy mode this year and let the "star" treatment get to his head.  I don't hate him but i hope he gets back to playing the right way as he did any year before this one. This is the reason why i like Sully. There is no pounding the ball, no barking for the ball. Actually did alot of the dirty work for a guy that is much more talented than that. No complaints

How many times did rondo score within the last 5 min of an important playoff game? Where have you been? Game 7 Phily as recently as last year??



This should be the easiest question ever. Rondo by so so much!!!

[sed522002]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

-Well it looks like you have it figured out  . No one was going through shooting slumps, no one was just coming back from heart surgeries and double shoulder surgeries, they didn't have a new roster,They didn't have inconsistent rotations, minutes, or roles and they haven't lost a SINGLE game since Rondo's been gone because he was the ONLY reason they were losing. Ok that sounds about right  And by the way Sully went down a week after Rondo didn't really have time to "Get so much better"

[Roy H.]

Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

I believe we were below .500 in games Sullinger played, at 22-23, and something like 15-11 without him.  Does that also suggest that we're better without Sully, or that his play is the reason we were losing?

[CelticConcourse]

Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

I believe we were below .500 in games Sullinger played, at 22-23, and something like 15-11 without him.  Does that also suggest that we're better without Sully, or that his play is the reason we were losing?

Jeez, this is the reason that stats are terrible in debates. One can make stats point any which way!!

[go11celtics]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

I like how you gave them a record of 15-6 when it's 17-11 without rondo. Is it really impossible to beilieve that maybe just maybe when rondo went down everybody realized he couldn't bail them out and they causally needed to contribute? I seem to remember most of the games nobody played well, and that can't possibly be 100 % on rondo.  Also remember Bradley was out most of the year before rondo went down, and when he came back they went on a 6 game winning steak I believe. I would say our record early on was due to injuries and a bunch of new players learning the system rather than our top 3 pg in the league holding us back.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

-Well it looks like you have it figured out  . No one was going through shooting slumps, no one was just coming back from heart surgeries and double shoulder surgeries, they didn't have a new roster,They didn't have inconsistent rotations, minutes, or roles and they haven't lost a SINGLE game since Rondo's been gone because he was the ONLY reason they were losing. Ok that sounds about right  And by the way Sully went down a week after Rondo didn't really have time to "Get so much better"

you have some valid points. But its just too much coincidence that the day Rondo doesn't play we beat Miami and go on a long winning run.

If we had Rondo right now, maybe we are in 6th place by now. Without rondo with Sully , Barbosa and a healthy team, we would be 2nd by now.

[jdz101]

[Tr1boy]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

I like how you gave them a record of 15-6 when it's 17-11 without rondo. Is it really impossible to beilieve that maybe just maybe when rondo went down everybody realized he couldn't bail them out and they causally needed to contribute? I seem to remember most of the games nobody played well, and that can't possibly be 100 % on rondo.  Also remember Bradley was out most of the year before rondo went down, and when he came back they went on a 6 game winning steak I believe. I would say our record early on was due to injuries and a bunch of new players learning the system rather than our top 3 pg in the league holding us back.

is that 17-11 without Rondo, Sully and Barbosa?

Whats the record without Rondo but with Sully and Barbosa?

[kgainez]

Sully.

Playoff Rondo is a myth.

lol
no comment

[Tr1boy]

Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

I believe we were below .500 in games Sullinger played, at 22-23, and something like 15-11 without him.  Does that also suggest that we're better without Sully, or that his play is the reason we were losing?

Did sully have possesion of the ball like 70 percent of the time?? once rondo was out , he did get to have a chance out on the key and in the post. And made a nice contribution.

I'm interested in the lineup with Rondo and everyone else vs Without Rondo and everyone. Not the super depleted team we got now

[go11celtics]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

I like how you gave them a record of 15-6 when it's 17-11 without rondo. Is it really impossible to beilieve that maybe just maybe when rondo went down everybody realized he couldn't bail them out and they causally needed to contribute? I seem to remember most of the games nobody played well, and that can't possibly be 100 % on rondo.  Also remember Bradley was out most of the year before rondo went down, and when he came back they went on a 6 game winning steak I believe. I would say our record early on was due to injuries and a bunch of new players learning the system rather than our top 3 pg in the league holding us back.

is that 17-11 without Rondo, Sully and Barbosa?

Whats the record without Rondo but with Sully and Barbosa?

Our record with sully and not RR is like 2-0. If 2 games tells you they are better without RR then let me show you a few games without KG that the celtics won. Your argument has so many holes I don't even know where to start

[sed522002]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

-Well it looks like you have it figured out  . No one was going through shooting slumps, no one was just coming back from heart surgeries and double shoulder surgeries, they didn't have a new roster,They didn't have inconsistent rotations, minutes, or roles and they haven't lost a SINGLE game since Rondo's been gone because he was the ONLY reason they were losing. Ok that sounds about right  And by the way Sully went down a week after Rondo didn't really have time to "Get so much better"

you have some valid points. But its just too much coincidence that the day Rondo doesn't play we beat Miami and go on a long winning run.

If we had Rondo right now, maybe we are in 6th place by now. Without rondo with Sully , Barbosa and a healthy team, we would be 2nd by now.

They were all the way up for that Miami game. With that being # 20's first game back I expected them to play hard. They always play against Miami and they have extra juice to play them with the mutual hate that the team shares.

We, as fans, don't know what's happening behind the scenes and all we can do is speculate on what we think we "know". None of us have the reason for the performance of this team. I don't think the team really has an answer half the time.

[kgainez]

Rondo.  Sully can't win a playoff game (or playoff series) nearly on his own.  Rondo can.

I like Sully a lot, but at some point, talent trumps fit.

when did Rondo win a playoff game on his own?? Is as memorable as Green scoring 43 points a few weeks ago. Unless you win, its not memorable nor significant imo

There's the 2010 game 4 against Cleveland that sent LBJ out of town. His line was 29-18-13. Rondo dominated that game

When did he once dominate like this, this year?? I do remember an assist record he was pursuing, and also remember alot of pounding the ball making selective passes and gambling on defense. Losing streaks, slumps. He changed the way he played, with less intensity , laziness and cuteness

you know what 2010 rondo did? A man is open, you get the pass. You grab the rebound and you are off to the races for a fast break layup. On defense still gambled but tried much harder. Where did all this go this year?

- Rondo was not the only reason for the losing streak earlier in the season and it's funny how it's always pinned solely on him when clearly this team is inconsistent, hence the 5 game losing streak that just ended.

If they both were healthy, I would want BOTH back. Sully is important, but he's not proven when the performance matters the most (playoffs).

It was him. Why can't you see it still?? Its not even relating to two or three players making it hard to pint point the issue. With rondo we were 23-20, barely in the playoffs, and without him suddenly like 15-6? 

Suddenly the guys gelled and Terry, Green , Lee got better? Sully got better? When in reality sully got more passes and a chance to contribute. On offense the ball was moving, the energy was there, the defense was tight (little gambling , bc rondo was like the only one doing it) and we were winning and rarely losing. It was bc of Rondo and it makes sense bc he was suppose to be the star of the team and had the ball like 70 percent of the time

with rondo we were 20-23
before the 5 game skid (which I attribute to a banged up KG) we were 16-7...now we're like...17-11 I think. I lost count.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Wait, this isn't serious, right?
I know no other way to comprehend that which I read.