2013 NFL Football

[Eja117]

First of all Tebow handed the legendary Peyton a playoff team.  Peyton wasn't given a 1-4 team like Tim got. He was handed a playoff team.  A team that lost in the second round on the road against Tom Brady and the Patriots.  Peyton took that playoff team all the way to....a loss in the exact same round...at home.  Now they have a 37 year old QB a year removed from 5 neck surgeries, who makes commercials and plays some football when he isn't filming.  genius. Way to go Denver. Way to go.

I agree that Peyton choked, but do you honestly believe Tebow would have done better?

Or, if you could, take a hypothetical scenario in which Denver somehow plays against itself; one version with Manning, and one version with Tebow.  Who wins?

If you line him up and try to make him into a drop back passer and use him as wrongly as you possibly can? The way most NFL head coaches seem to want to? No. If you use him correctly and build an offense around him? God yes.

In another hypothetical scenario try to name me another QB who could have done what Tebow did? Who could take a 1-4 and lead it to a playoff win against the Steelers? Sanchez?  Well then.  Look at all the crud out there at starting QB.  Could Sam Bradford do that? Could Christian Ponder do that? Could Mike Vick do that? Could Phillip Rivers do that? Could whoever the Bills started at QB for the last decade do that? Could Jay Cutler do that?  With the players Tebow had? Could anyone in Jacksonville do that? Could anyone in Cleveland or Oakland or Kansas City for the last 5 years do that?  Could Hasselback do that? Could Rothlisburger?  And Tim is supposed to be out of the league? This league of great QBs?

Why do you think they're getting Wes Welker for Manning? 

[Eja117]

Another rather absurd knock on Tebow is that his kicker bailed him out. What? So he made drives to get his kicker in range and his kicker did the job and this is bad?  What?  That's what Brady did with Adam V in two superbowls and a snow bowl. That's the whole point. That's how you win games.  You're SUPPOSED to make drives to get your kicker in range. duh.

[greg683x]

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!


sorry i couldnt help it.  lol

[nickagneta]

I get the feeling eja will be talking about Tebow's ridiculously awful statistical year where his defense won him a bunch of games because he was so inept like Trent Dilfer fans have since Dilfer's statistically awful and inept year where his defense bailed him out to the tune of winning the Superbowl.

[Eja117]

I get the feeling eja will be talking about Tebow's ridiculously awful statistical year where his defense won him a bunch of games because he was so inept like Trent Silver fans have since Dilfer's statistically awful and inept year where his defense bailed him out to the tune of winning the Superbowl.

Riiiiggghhhttt. The defense bailed out Tebow. 8 times in a row or something.  They decided not to bail out Kyle Orton, just Tebow the second he walked on the field.   And then the next year Tebow left and the team....accomplished the exact same thing.  Yeah those 4th quarter drives and whatnot....defense.

[Moranis]

If you can't make the throws in the NFL, the CFL isn't going to work. Want the perfect picture of a CFL QB? Doug Flutie. Or look at the pistol offenses being used by SF and Seattle.

Funny. I seem to remember him making a lot of throws in the fourth quarter to win games and a lot of throws to beat the Steelers in the playoffs.  When he wasn't running over guys.

Throws he had to make because he was awful the first three quarters.  And he made 1 throw in the Steelers game.  He was 10 of 21 in that game.  The next week against New England he was 9 of 26.  New England figured out that as long you play a regular defense and not a prevent against Tebow he couldn't do anything.  Almost every single game where Tebow led a comeback (most of which were his fault they were behind) the defensive team was playing a prevent.  For the first 3+ quarters against real defenses Tebow couldn't do anything, but against the prevent he was very good.

[nickagneta]

If you can't make the throws in the NFL, the CFL isn't going to work. Want the perfect picture of a CFL QB? Doug Flutie. Or look at the pistol offenses being used by SF and Seattle.

Funny. I seem to remember him making a lot of throws in the fourth quarter to win games and a lot of throws to beat the Steelers in the playoffs.  When he wasn't running over guys.

Throws he had to make because he was awful the first three quarters.  And he made 1 throw in the Steelers game.  He was 10 of 21 in that game.  The next week against New England he was 9 of 26.  New England figured out that as long you play a regular defense and not a prevent against Tebow he couldn't do anything.  Almost every single game where Tebow led a comeback (most of which were his fault they were behind) the defensive team was playing a prevent.  For the first 3+ quarters against real defenses Tebow couldn't do anything, but against the prevent he was very good.

Let's also not forget that they were winning those games by 3 points most games. And, either the defense was scoring TDs or turning the ball over in great field position and then Prater kicked a FG because the offense was so bad, or the defense was holding other inept offenses like the Dolphins, Jets, Chiefs, Chargers and Bears to just 10-13 points. Pretty pathetic group of offenses that the Broncos held to very little points so that Tebow could miraculously, barely score enough points to win, if you ask me.

[Eja117]

If you can't make the throws in the NFL, the CFL isn't going to work. Want the perfect picture of a CFL QB? Doug Flutie. Or look at the pistol offenses being used by SF and Seattle.

Funny. I seem to remember him making a lot of throws in the fourth quarter to win games and a lot of throws to beat the Steelers in the playoffs.  When he wasn't running over guys.

Throws he had to make because he was awful the first three quarters.  And he made 1 throw in the Steelers game.  He was 10 of 21 in that game.  The next week against New England he was 9 of 26.  New England figured out that as long you play a regular defense and not a prevent against Tebow he couldn't do anything.  Almost every single game where Tebow led a comeback (most of which were his fault they were behind) the defensive team was playing a prevent.  For the first 3+ quarters against real defenses Tebow couldn't do anything, but against the prevent he was very good.

Well wait a second. He also ran for 660 yards and barely played the first 5 games.  I mean how much of the offense is Tebow supposed to generate here? Did he have some great yards after catch guy I don't know about? He ran for an average of 5.4 yards per carry even though everyone knew he would be running. If you had to defend a guy who couldn't throw for better than 47% do you think maybe you could hold him to less than 5.4 yards a carry?  Can you name the only two running backs in the league that averaged over 5 yards a carry (for their careers?)  So basically it's not enough he has to lead the team on 4th quarter drives. He has to play like a HOF running back too. So he did and turned around a losing team and obviously he's a cruddy QB. 

[Eja117]

If you can't make the throws in the NFL, the CFL isn't going to work. Want the perfect picture of a CFL QB? Doug Flutie. Or look at the pistol offenses being used by SF and Seattle.

Funny. I seem to remember him making a lot of throws in the fourth quarter to win games and a lot of throws to beat the Steelers in the playoffs.  When he wasn't running over guys.

Throws he had to make because he was awful the first three quarters.  And he made 1 throw in the Steelers game.  He was 10 of 21 in that game.  The next week against New England he was 9 of 26.  New England figured out that as long you play a regular defense and not a prevent against Tebow he couldn't do anything.  Almost every single game where Tebow led a comeback (most of which were his fault they were behind) the defensive team was playing a prevent.  For the first 3+ quarters against real defenses Tebow couldn't do anything, but against the prevent he was very good.

Let's also not forget that they were winning those games by 3 points most games. And, either the defense was scoring TDs or turning the ball over in great field position and then Prater kicked a FG because the offense was so bad, or the defense was holding other inept offenses like the Dolphins, Jets, Chiefs, Chargers and Bears to just 10-13 points. Pretty pathetic group of offenses that the Broncos held to very little points so that Tebow could miraculously, barely score enough points to win, if you ask me.

Before I start this I'd say wouldn't you expect a QB to not play all that great their first year starting?  The great Peyton Manning's first year he had more TDs than INTs.  And a horrid record. Peyton went for 26 TDs and 28 INTs.  Tebow went for 18 TDs and 6 INTS and didn't play the first five games. Is that a good ratio?  And where was this defense while they had a QB that could hit more than 50% of their passes?  Why did they suddenly start winning games when Tebow took the field? And for all his horridness passing his yards per completion were virtually identical to Manning's first season starting. 

[angryguy77]

I'd love to see a team built around Tebow.  I don't know how it would turn out, but I'd like to see a team take him and coach him up. The guy has the mentality of a winner, he may just need the right situation.

Maybe he just needs to convert to islam or come out and people would like him more.

[D.o.s.]

I'd love to see a team built around Tebow.  I don't know how it would turn out, but I'd like to see a team take him and coach him up. The guy has the mentality of a winner, he may just need the right situation.

Maybe he just needs to convert to islam or come out and people would like him more.

I think it might help if he didn't suck so badly as a quarterback.

To clarify, I think that the NFL knows that there is a large built-in fanbase for Tebow. I sincerely believe that if any franchise thought that he would be an upgrade on the field over whomever they have starting right now, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Eja117]

I'd love to see a team built around Tebow.  I don't know how it would turn out, but I'd like to see a team take him and coach him up. The guy has the mentality of a winner, he may just need the right situation.

Maybe he just needs to convert to islam or come out and people would like him more.

I think it might help if he didn't suck so badly as a quarterback.

To clarify, I think that the NFL knows that there is a large built-in fanbase for Tebow. I sincerely believe that if any franchise thought that he would be an upgrade on the field over whomever they have starting right now, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

People laugh at Tebow being out of the league but they never laugh at the fact that the coaches who refuse to sign and play him are routinely out of the league too. I mean by all means go and start Jay Cutler or Mike Vick or something. You'll be coaching Tebow anyway. In the CFL I guess. I mean you can coach him in the NFL or the CFL I guess. Your choice.  Then he'll be back in the NFL just like Flutie but you won't

[D.o.s.]

Right, but all things on the field being equal you'd sign Tebow over Vick or Cutler for the jersey sales and PR, right?

The fact that people who get paid to evaluate football talent seem to have reached a conclusion on his ability is telling. At least to me.

[wdleehi]

I'd love to see a team built around Tebow.  I don't know how it would turn out, but I'd like to see a team take him and coach him up. The guy has the mentality of a winner, he may just need the right situation.

Maybe he just needs to convert to islam or come out and people would like him more.

I think it might help if he didn't suck so badly as a quarterback.

To clarify, I think that the NFL knows that there is a large built-in fanbase for Tebow. I sincerely believe that if any franchise thought that he would be an upgrade on the field over whomever they have starting right now, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

People laugh at Tebow being out of the league but they never laugh at the fact that the coaches who refuse to sign and play him are routinely out of the league too. I mean by all means go and start Jay Cutler or Mike Vick or something. You'll be coaching Tebow anyway. In the CFL I guess. I mean you can coach him in the NFL or the CFL I guess. Your choice.

The head coaches of the Broncos and the Jets are still there. 

He is a football player, but he is not a starting QB in the NFL.  He has never overcome the regular defenses of the NFL.  He is a terror against the prevent. 


Teams that went prevent, lost.  Teams that did not, won. 


Do you think NFL teams have noticed this?   Do you think this effects teams wanting to sign him? 

[Eja117]

Right, but all things on the field being equal you'd sign Tebow over Vick or Cutler for the jersey sales and PR, right?

The fact that people who get paid to evaluate football talent seem to have reached a conclusion on his ability is telling. At least to me.

The same people that picked JaMarcus Russell #1 and Ryan Leaf #2 and didn't like Flutie?  And passed over Tom Brady? Yup. Same people