2013 NFL Football

[Eja117]

Comparing Tebow to Manning is like comparing Terrence Williams to John Stockton as PGs and NBA players......its ridiculous and really, eja, you're smarter than that.

No no no no. I'm not saying Tebow is better. Just that he had a better first year starting, did better things (depending on how you look at it) with the Broncos than Peyton, and that he isn't 37 a year removed from 5 neck surgeries getting paid tons.  That's all I'm saying. Not that Tebow is "better" than Manning.  By my own the-only-thing-that-matters-is-rings standards Peyton has one and Tebow doesn't. Unless you count two college rings that he got whereas Peyton's team got one the year after he left, but we aren't comparing college to NFL. That's ridiculous. I also give you Manning makes a lot more commercials

[Eja117]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree. 

[wdleehi]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

[Donoghus]

Nice to see the Tebow nonsense is still going strong.

[Eja117]

Personally, I agree with Felger on this.  I find it astounding that a QB that wins more than he loses doesnt have a starting job when you see some of the absolute caca that is starting in this league at the QB position

You would think Peyton Manning would have outperformed him, but of course he didn't.

What are you talking about?


Manning led his offense to 35 points and overtime against the eventual Super Bowl champ in the divisional round. 

Tebow got blown out in the divisional round.  Scoring only ten points.

Manning threw two INTs (one in OT), lost a fumble, and took two sacks in that game. At home. After a bye week. So I guess that's what I was talking about.

[Eja117]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

[celtsfan84]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

Or maybe Peyton's running back would fumble, Tebow's defense would return it for a TD and you would give Tebow all of the credit.

But more likely Peyton would put up more than the 10 or so points it would take to beat Tebow.

[celtsfan84]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

Just as a friendly reminder, that same season, Kevin Kolb started off 1-6 with the Arizona Cardinals (worse than Orton).  John Skelton finished the season 7-2 (better than Tebow). 

Besides, isn't this the wrong thread to discuss Tebow anyway?  This is the 2013 NFL Football thread.  There is no certainty that Tebow will play 2013 NFL Football.

[Eja117]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

Or maybe Peyton's running back would fumble, Tebow's defense would return it for a TD and you would give Tebow all of the credit.

But more likely Peyton would put up more than the 10 or so points it would take to beat Tebow.

I don't know. Pats fans have seen what happens with Manning against a good defense.

[celtsfan84]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

Or maybe Peyton's running back would fumble, Tebow's defense would return it for a TD and you would give Tebow all of the credit.

But more likely Peyton would put up more than the 10 or so points it would take to beat Tebow.

I don't know. Pats fans have seen what happens with Manning against a good defense.

Pats fans have seen Tebow twice too.  Not pretty.

[Eja117]

And what is this nonsense about Thomas and Decker not being good WR's.  Last time I checked crappy receivers don't go for 94/1434 and 85/1064.  Tebow just couldn't hit them when they were open.  Something Peyton Manning didn't struggle with at all.  YOu know because Peyton Manning can actually throw the ball.

Gee with such a great QB/WR corps you'd think they might have won a playoff game at home, especially with a bye to get ready for it.

They lost to the Superbowl Champion in a game in which the defense gave up 38 points.  The only real difference between Indianapolis, Denver, New England, and San Francisco is the date in which they played the best team in football.

Ok. I'm fine with that. Veteran HOF QB/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the best team in football at home after a bye week when the defense played bad the year after first year starter Tebow/Denver team/Denver defense lost to the AFC champ on the road without a bye week when their defense played bad.  I agree.

If those offenses played each other, Manning wins 35 to 10.

To hear some people tell it around here Tebow's great defense (which was on the way to a 1-4 season before mysteriously deciding to play once he took the reigns) would have kept it close and Manning's defense which allowed all those points to the Ravens would have had a hard time. Then after keeping it close Tebow might have made one comical throw to allow the kicker a 57 yarder. Tebow and Manning might have had very little to do with it.


But definitely Manning's first year team would have been crushed by Tebow's team last year.

Or maybe Peyton's running back would fumble, Tebow's defense would return it for a TD and you would give Tebow all of the credit.

But more likely Peyton would put up more than the 10 or so points it would take to beat Tebow.

I don't know. Pats fans have seen what happens with Manning against a good defense.

Pats fans have seen Tebow twice too.  Not pretty.

So he's on track for a Peyton type career! yay! 

[Eja117]

Personally, I agree with Felger on this.  I find it astounding that a QB that wins more than he loses doesnt have a starting job when you see some of the absolute caca that is starting in this league at the QB position

You would think Peyton Manning would have outperformed him, but of course he didn't.

What are you talking about?


Manning led his offense to 35 points and overtime against the eventual Super Bowl champ in the divisional round. 

Tebow got blown out in the divisional round.  Scoring only ten points.

I'm assuming his argument would be "well Tebow won a playoff game, Manning didn't".

That, however, would completely ignore the fact that due to Manning's superior regular season, he didn't need to win a playoff game to reach the divisional round.

Well wait a minute.  Tebow only did so well because of the defense right? It was all defense. That 1-4 defense he got played him into the playoffs. So therefore we have to say that Manning's "success" in Denver is because of the defense too, right? And when Tebow got blown out by the Pats that would be the fault of the defense, right? As it was the fault of the Denver defense that they went to OT against the Ravens right?

Different year and different football team. Denver's defense wasn't nearly as good this year. Injuries and age really hit them hard.

Besides most of Tebow's wins weren't just defense, they were also crazy lucky bounces. Fumble luck, backup running back running out of bounds for no reason luck, etc...

Tebow's defense was 28th in the league at forced fumbles. They were tied for 6th in interception returns for a TD with a whopping three the whole year. They were tied with three other teams in sacks at 10th through 13th. They were 18th in allowing passing yards. They were 22nd in allowing rushing yards. They were 13th in kickoff return average so it's not like they were really backing them up to start off drives.  Denver was 28th in INTs. They were almost exactly middle of the pack in allowing passing TDs. They were exactly middle of the pack in allowing rushing TDs. They were 13th in rushing yards per attempt at 4.1. It just wasn't an elite defense. This whole thing that the Denver defense bailed out Tebow is just revisionism.

[Eja117]

http://clashdaily.com/2013/02/blackballed-the-nfls-borking-of-tim-tebow/

of course he's blackballed and of course it has nothing to do with football. duh

[Rondo2287]

End of an Era, Brian Urlacher has retired.  A true all time great.

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Brian Urlacher retires. He's 1 of 4 players in NFL history with 40 sacks and 20 interceptions (sacks became official in 1982).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjX-5uYBYzY

[Bahku]

Hard to believe we're closing in on pre-season ... Hall of Fame Game tonight.