What would you want back for Rondo?

[Moranis]

If I had to do a deal(and I'm not sure if the new S&T rules will allow this this offseason or not) but I would do Rondo and Bass for Pau. It eliminates Rondo and Bass' contracts and replaces them with a post up player who could easily play off Paul and KG. Pau can provide additional scoring as well. Our starting 5 is AB/Lee/Paul/KG/Pau.

The Lakers do with as it allows Nash to come off the bench where he really belongs at this point. Kobe likes Rondo's game. Bass fits in right next to Howard spreading the floor like he did in Orlando. And now the starting lineup fits together better. And also they get younger and more athletic. All this assuming Howard plans to resign of course.

I don't get that trade for Boston at all.  I'd love to have Pau, but I would stick with Pau and Metta for Green, Bass, and Terry (maybe Lee if I had to).  By including Metta, LA gets a huge cap savings and he replaces Green as Boston's backup SF so LA might be willing to take on less back (and it also means they don't have to amnesty anyone).  Pau and Metta are both expiring, which when coupled with Pierce (who is expiring) and KG (who would then likely retire), would make Boston a major player in free agency after the 2014 season and would still let them have Rondo to build around and attract free agents.  And the real key to the trade from Boston is a team with Rondo, Lee (hopefully), Bradley, Pierce, Metta, Gasol, Garnett, Sullinger (and the draft pick this year) would be a real threat to win the title with the size down low, the wing scoring from Pierce, and the PG play of Rondo.

Also, other players could also be included to get LA a bigger tax savings if necessary to get the deal done (like adding Hill and Blake and sending both Terry and Lee)

I see your point but I don't see LA doing your deal. Gasol is still a supremely talented big and your deal basically sells him off for complementary scrap parts. I just wouldn't see them agreeing to something like that. Dealing for Rondo gives them a young All-Star PG to pair with Dwight for the future when Kobe leaves. And in getting Pau we get the talent up front to pair with KG to put us near the top of the conference. And after the 2014 season we still get all that cap space to pair with AB, CLee, Green, and Sully to build with.0

When Dwight re-signs, they will be in such a cap pickle that they might actually amnesty Pau, if they could move him for usable pieces and shave a bunch of salary, I think they would have to do it. 

I mean Pau + Metta is 27 million alone.  When you couple in their incredibly high overall salary (with Dwight re-signed) they are getting hit at 2 to 3 times that number in luxury tax.  I'm sure they also like to bring back Earl Clark as well who is a free agent this summer.  There is a reason they are considering amnesty afterall.

I just think if this trade was out there

Pau, Metta, Duhon, Blake

for

Green, Bass, Terry, Lee, Melo


I think LA would consider that trade long and hard as it knocks like 10 million off their payroll (which is more like 20-30 million with tax hit) and really fills out their roster.  If need be I'd probably give them Crawford if they needed another young guy, but I wouldn't want to.

Post trade Lakers
Guards - Nash, Kobe, Lee, Terry
Wings - Green, Clark & Ebanks/Meeks (both re-signed)
Big - Howard, Bass, Hill, Melo


Post trade Celtics
Guards - Rondo, Bradley, Crawford, Blake, Duhon
Wings - Pierce, World Peace
Bigs - Garnett, Gasol, Sullinger, Rookie (Olynyk?)


Seems like a trade that could work for both teams.

[jdz101]

If I had to do a deal(and I'm not sure if the new S&T rules will allow this this offseason or not) but I would do Rondo and Bass for Pau. It eliminates Rondo and Bass' contracts and replaces them with a post up player who could easily play off Paul and KG. Pau can provide additional scoring as well. Our starting 5 is AB/Lee/Paul/KG/Pau.

The Lakers do with as it allows Nash to come off the bench where he really belongs at this point. Kobe likes Rondo's game. Bass fits in right next to Howard spreading the floor like he did in Orlando. And now the starting lineup fits together better. And also they get younger and more athletic. All this assuming Howard plans to resign of course.

I don't get that trade for Boston at all.  I'd love to have Pau, but I would stick with Pau and Metta for Green, Bass, and Terry (maybe Lee if I had to).  By including Metta, LA gets a huge cap savings and he replaces Green as Boston's backup SF so LA might be willing to take on less back (and it also means they don't have to amnesty anyone).  Pau and Metta are both expiring, which when coupled with Pierce (who is expiring) and KG (who would then likely retire), would make Boston a major player in free agency after the 2014 season and would still let them have Rondo to build around and attract free agents.  And the real key to the trade from Boston is a team with Rondo, Lee (hopefully), Bradley, Pierce, Metta, Gasol, Garnett, Sullinger (and the draft pick this year) would be a real threat to win the title with the size down low, the wing scoring from Pierce, and the PG play of Rondo.

Also, other players could also be included to get LA a bigger tax savings if necessary to get the deal done (like adding Hill and Blake and sending both Terry and Lee)

I see your point but I don't see LA doing your deal. Gasol is still a supremely talented big and your deal basically sells him off for complementary scrap parts. I just wouldn't see them agreeing to something like that. Dealing for Rondo gives them a young All-Star PG to pair with Dwight for the future when Kobe leaves. And in getting Pau we get the talent up front to pair with KG to put us near the top of the conference. And after the 2014 season we still get all that cap space to pair with AB, CLee, Green, and Sully to build with.0

When Dwight re-signs, they will be in such a cap pickle that they might actually amnesty Pau, if they could move him for usable pieces and shave a bunch of salary, I think they would have to do it. 

I mean Pau + Metta is 27 million alone.  When you couple in their incredibly high overall salary (with Dwight re-signed) they are getting hit at 2 to 3 times that number in luxury tax.  I'm sure they also like to bring back Earl Clark as well who is a free agent this summer.  There is a reason they are considering amnesty afterall.

I just think if this trade was out there

Pau, Metta, Duhon, Blake

for

Green, Bass, Terry, Lee, Melo


I think LA would consider that trade long and hard as it knocks like 10 million off their payroll (which is more like 20-30 million with tax hit) and really fills out their roster.  If need be I'd probably give them Crawford if they needed another young guy, but I wouldn't want to.

Post trade Lakers
Guards - Nash, Kobe, Lee, Terry
Wings - Green, Clark & Ebanks/Meeks (both re-signed)
Big - Howard, Bass, Hill, Melo


Post trade Celtics
Guards - Rondo, Bradley, Crawford, Blake, Duhon
Wings - Pierce, World Peace
Bigs - Garnett, Gasol, Sullinger, Rookie (Olynyk?)


Seems like a trade that could work for both teams.

I love Gasol but Duhon is just pure garbage and I'd really struggle having an imbecile like Metta on my team.

Gasol/Garnett/Sullinger is just too slow for a big rotation these days aswell. When you're looking at guys like Lebron, Melo, Millsap etc playing the 4, it's impossible to defend with the lineup above.

[Moranis]

If I had to do a deal(and I'm not sure if the new S&T rules will allow this this offseason or not) but I would do Rondo and Bass for Pau. It eliminates Rondo and Bass' contracts and replaces them with a post up player who could easily play off Paul and KG. Pau can provide additional scoring as well. Our starting 5 is AB/Lee/Paul/KG/Pau.

The Lakers do with as it allows Nash to come off the bench where he really belongs at this point. Kobe likes Rondo's game. Bass fits in right next to Howard spreading the floor like he did in Orlando. And now the starting lineup fits together better. And also they get younger and more athletic. All this assuming Howard plans to resign of course.

I don't get that trade for Boston at all.  I'd love to have Pau, but I would stick with Pau and Metta for Green, Bass, and Terry (maybe Lee if I had to).  By including Metta, LA gets a huge cap savings and he replaces Green as Boston's backup SF so LA might be willing to take on less back (and it also means they don't have to amnesty anyone).  Pau and Metta are both expiring, which when coupled with Pierce (who is expiring) and KG (who would then likely retire), would make Boston a major player in free agency after the 2014 season and would still let them have Rondo to build around and attract free agents.  And the real key to the trade from Boston is a team with Rondo, Lee (hopefully), Bradley, Pierce, Metta, Gasol, Garnett, Sullinger (and the draft pick this year) would be a real threat to win the title with the size down low, the wing scoring from Pierce, and the PG play of Rondo.

Also, other players could also be included to get LA a bigger tax savings if necessary to get the deal done (like adding Hill and Blake and sending both Terry and Lee)

I see your point but I don't see LA doing your deal. Gasol is still a supremely talented big and your deal basically sells him off for complementary scrap parts. I just wouldn't see them agreeing to something like that. Dealing for Rondo gives them a young All-Star PG to pair with Dwight for the future when Kobe leaves. And in getting Pau we get the talent up front to pair with KG to put us near the top of the conference. And after the 2014 season we still get all that cap space to pair with AB, CLee, Green, and Sully to build with.0

When Dwight re-signs, they will be in such a cap pickle that they might actually amnesty Pau, if they could move him for usable pieces and shave a bunch of salary, I think they would have to do it. 

I mean Pau + Metta is 27 million alone.  When you couple in their incredibly high overall salary (with Dwight re-signed) they are getting hit at 2 to 3 times that number in luxury tax.  I'm sure they also like to bring back Earl Clark as well who is a free agent this summer.  There is a reason they are considering amnesty afterall.

I just think if this trade was out there

Pau, Metta, Duhon, Blake

for

Green, Bass, Terry, Lee, Melo


I think LA would consider that trade long and hard as it knocks like 10 million off their payroll (which is more like 20-30 million with tax hit) and really fills out their roster.  If need be I'd probably give them Crawford if they needed another young guy, but I wouldn't want to.

Post trade Lakers
Guards - Nash, Kobe, Lee, Terry
Wings - Green, Clark & Ebanks/Meeks (both re-signed)
Big - Howard, Bass, Hill, Melo


Post trade Celtics
Guards - Rondo, Bradley, Crawford, Blake, Duhon
Wings - Pierce, World Peace
Bigs - Garnett, Gasol, Sullinger, Rookie (Olynyk?)


Seems like a trade that could work for both teams.

I love Gasol but Duhon is just pure garbage and I'd really struggle having an imbecile like Metta on my team.

Gasol/Garnett/Sullinger is just too slow for a big rotation these days aswell. When you're looking at guys like Lebron, Melo, Millsap etc playing the 4, it's impossible to defend with the lineup above.

It is pretty much impossible to guard Lebron no matter who is on him, but I'd still feel ok with Pierce and Metta on him most of the time.  And I'd like to see Milssap or Melo guard KG and Gasol.  It works both ways afterall.  You'd almost force a team like the knicks to start Amare and Melo with Chandler if you busted out a big lineup.

[CDawg834]

I would consider making any of the following trades.

Phoenix
Dragic, Beasley (or Frye), 2013 1st for Rondo

For some reason, a similar deal to this was the first thing I thought of.  I'd want Dragic, their first, and a big man (preferably Gortat, but I doubt Phoenix would make the deal then).  I'd prefer Frye or a Morris, as I want no part of Beasley...you can't win with guys like him.

But if Phoenix made that offer, I'd take it.

[connor]

DeMarcus Cousins + Sacramentos lottery pick for 2014 or even 2015 if possible.

Cousins
Lottery pick
Salmons
(insert overpaid scrub here)

for

Rondo
Bass
Melo
Crawford

I'm curious as to how much it would realistically cost us to acquire Cousins, given that there was talk of a deal earlier this season that didn't involve any of our stars.

I'd like to see him in green and I wonder if there is any way we could get him without having to give up Rondo. Maybe a deal around Sully, Bradley, Melo and a pick. I know that doesn't sound like enough for someone of his talent, but with him causing them so many problems and in line for a big contract after next year they may be willing to make a deal.

Otherwise if we are sending out Rondo I'd want Isaiah Thomas back as a potential future rotation ball handler, and the their lottery pick or Tyreke Evans on a sign and trade.

[SHAQATTACK]

DeMarcus Cousins + Sacramentos lottery pick for 2014 or even 2015 if possible.

Cousins
Lottery pick
Salmons
(insert overpaid scrub here)

for

Rondo
Bass
Melo
Crawford

I'm curious as to how much it would realistically cost us to acquire Cousins, given that there was talk of a deal earlier this season that didn't involve any of our stars.

I'd like to see him in green and I wonder if there is any way we could get him without having to give up Rondo. Maybe a deal around Sully, Bradley, Melo and a pick. I know that doesn't sound like enough for someone of his talent, but with him causing them so many problems and in line for a big contract after next year they may be willing to make a deal.

Otherwise if we are sending out Rondo I'd want Isaiah Thomas back as a potential future rotation ball handler, and the their lottery pick or Tyreke Evans on a sign and trade.

I'd take DMC over Rondo in a heartbeat

[connor]

DeMarcus Cousins + Sacramentos lottery pick for 2014 or even 2015 if possible.

Cousins
Lottery pick
Salmons
(insert overpaid scrub here)

for

Rondo
Bass
Melo
Crawford

I'm curious as to how much it would realistically cost us to acquire Cousins, given that there was talk of a deal earlier this season that didn't involve any of our stars.

I'd like to see him in green and I wonder if there is any way we could get him without having to give up Rondo. Maybe a deal around Sully, Bradley, Melo and a pick. I know that doesn't sound like enough for someone of his talent, but with him causing them so many problems and in line for a big contract after next year they may be willing to make a deal.

Otherwise if we are sending out Rondo I'd want Isaiah Thomas back as a potential future rotation ball handler, and the their lottery pick or Tyreke Evans on a sign and trade.

I'd take DMC over Rondo in a heartbeat

I'd like to see DMC in green but he has been such a headache for the Kings and is still one, thats why he comes at a discount. Its a risk, you don't know what he is going to be like in a MUCH larger market/sports town on another team that will probably be rebuilding a season from now.

Rondo has his own personality problems, but I don't think he has ever gotten bad enough that Doc has though about trading him for pennies on the dollar or suspend him.

If I'm trading a known commodity in Rondo (proven in the playoffs to boot) for a troubled center in DMC, I want at least their first round pick included and probably some of their lesser pieces.

[chambers]

DeMarcus Cousins + Sacramentos lottery pick for 2014 or even 2015 if possible.

Cousins
Lottery pick
Salmons
(insert overpaid scrub here)

for

Rondo
Bass
Melo
Crawford

I'm curious as to how much it would realistically cost us to acquire Cousins, given that there was talk of a deal earlier this season that didn't involve any of our stars.

I'd like to see him in green and I wonder if there is any way we could get him without having to give up Rondo. Maybe a deal around Sully, Bradley, Melo and a pick. I know that doesn't sound like enough for someone of his talent, but with him causing them so many problems and in line for a big contract after next year they may be willing to make a deal.

Otherwise if we are sending out Rondo I'd want Isaiah Thomas back as a potential future rotation ball handler, and the their lottery pick or Tyreke Evans on a sign and trade.

I'd take DMC over Rondo in a heartbeat

I'd like to see DMC in green but he has been such a headache for the Kings and is still one, thats why he comes at a discount. Its a risk, you don't know what he is going to be like in a MUCH larger market/sports town on another team that will probably be rebuilding a season from now.

Rondo has his own personality problems, but I don't think he has ever gotten bad enough that Doc has though about trading him for pennies on the dollar or suspend him.

If I'm trading a known commodity in Rondo (proven in the playoffs to boot) for a troubled center in DMC, I want at least their first round pick included and probably some of their lesser pieces.

The behaviour issues with DMC are the gamble we take, to parlay that gamble they give us their lottery pick. Hopefully get a nice SF,SG, or PF (whover the best player is available come our pick).

[ayer]

What about dirk Nowitzki? anyone?

[Lucky17]

Someone else mentioned Orlando. I think they could offer one of the best packages: some combination of Toby Harris or Mo Harkless, 2014 1st rounders (their own, the lesser of the Knicks/Nuggets), and salary cap relief (the huge TE from the Dwight Howard trade, plus the partially-guaranteed contracts of Turkoglu, Jameer, and Al Harrington). I doubt they'd part with Vucevic, though.

Again, if the Celtics were to trade Rondo, I think it'd be because KG and Pierce have retired/gone, and Ainge wanted to strip everything down to the studs to rebuild it again with cap space, picks, and rookie-scale contracts. I don't see how trading Rondo for a fringe All-Star would help such a rebuild.

[ssspence]

If I had to do a deal(and I'm not sure if the new S&T rules will allow this this offseason or not) but I would do Rondo and Bass for Pau. It eliminates Rondo and Bass' contracts and replaces them with a post up player who could easily play off Paul and KG. Pau can provide additional scoring as well. Our starting 5 is AB/Lee/Paul/KG/Pau.

The Lakers do with as it allows Nash to come off the bench where he really belongs at this point. Kobe likes Rondo's game. Bass fits in right next to Howard spreading the floor like he did in Orlando. And now the starting lineup fits together better. And also they get younger and more athletic. All this assuming Howard plans to resign of course.

As I stated earlier in the thread, I'd seriously consider trading Rondo, Bass and Terry for Gasol, Duhon (for salary purposes) & a pick. Not because I want Gasol. Pure dump for the stacked draft and FA crop in the summer of '14.

Wow!! You are saying that you want to basically trade away our best young player in a salary dump for a Laker pick that is likely to be a late first rounder and cap space?

That move will surely have the free agents flocking to Boston.

Banner 18, here we come!!

That's what I'm sayin' chief. Beats watching Rondo, Green, Bradley and Sully duke it out for the 8th seed the next 3 years.

FAs like money. The Cs would have Doc, 3-4 good young guys, 2 firsts in a stacked draft, the most storied franchise in the league, and deep pockets in an excellent FA class. Thats a much better attraction to FAs than Rondo and no cap space.

Depending on what shakes out with PP and KG, the Cs will likely consider it (or something like it), because both Bass and Terry are awful, and I don't buy for a moment that they intend to rebuild around Rondo.

If they can get an All-Star for Rondo? Fine. If not, this is a path worth considering.

[connor]

That's what I'm sayin' chief. Beats watching Rondo, Green, Bradley and Sully duke it out for the 8th seed the next 3 years.

FAs like money. The Cs would have Doc, 3-4 good young guys, 2 firsts in a stacked draft, the most storied franchise in the league, and deep pockets in an excellent FA class. Thats a much better attraction to FAs than Rondo and no cap space.

Depending on what shakes out with PP and KG, the Cs will likely consider it (or something like it), because both Bass and Terry are awful, and I don't buy for a moment that they intend to rebuild around Rondo.

If they can get an All-Star for Rondo? Fine. If not, this is a path worth considering.

The one thing I'm really worried about going forward, and its the reason why most of the deals that appeal to me center around getting young assets/lottery picks more so than cap space, is just how attractive will Boston be for FA's?

Everything you said there is true, free agents are attracted to money and we do have the most storied franchise, but when it comes to top basketball players these days Boston just doesn't seem to be the big draw.

I'm sure we will get quality players in, I'm just worried about handing out big contracts to guys who aren't going to be worth it (Joe Johnson-esque) just to convince them to come to Boston, and missing out on the true stars.

[Celtics18]

If I had to do a deal(and I'm not sure if the new S&T rules will allow this this offseason or not) but I would do Rondo and Bass for Pau. It eliminates Rondo and Bass' contracts and replaces them with a post up player who could easily play off Paul and KG. Pau can provide additional scoring as well. Our starting 5 is AB/Lee/Paul/KG/Pau.

The Lakers do with as it allows Nash to come off the bench where he really belongs at this point. Kobe likes Rondo's game. Bass fits in right next to Howard spreading the floor like he did in Orlando. And now the starting lineup fits together better. And also they get younger and more athletic. All this assuming Howard plans to resign of course.

As I stated earlier in the thread, I'd seriously consider trading Rondo, Bass and Terry for Gasol, Duhon (for salary purposes) & a pick. Not because I want Gasol. Pure dump for the stacked draft and FA crop in the summer of '14.

Wow!! You are saying that you want to basically trade away our best young player in a salary dump for a Laker pick that is likely to be a late first rounder and cap space?

That move will surely have the free agents flocking to Boston.

Banner 18, here we come!!

That's what I'm sayin' chief. Beats watching Rondo, Green, Bradley and Sully duke it out for the 8th seed the next 3 years.

FAs like money. The Cs would have Doc, 3-4 good young guys, 2 firsts in a stacked draft, the most storied franchise in the league, and deep pockets in an excellent FA class. Thats a much better attraction to FAs than Rondo and no cap space.

Depending on what shakes out with PP and KG, the Cs will likely consider it (or something like it), because both Bass and Terry are awful, and I don't buy for a moment that they intend to rebuild around Rondo.

If they can get an All-Star for Rondo? Fine. If not, this is a path worth considering.

I'm not a salary cap expert, but I'm under the impression that if KG and Pierce both retire by the summer of 2014 that we'll still have the cap space to sign a max player even with Rondo on the payroll.  Am I wrong about that?

[CoachBo]

I think you are correct, but I too am not a salary cap expert.

With that said, I too am quite confident that Doc and Ainge don't intend to rebuild around Rondo. FAR too much basketball evidence to the contrary for me to believe Rivers and Ainge would make that colossal blunder. Rondo is their biggest rebuilding asset in a trade, not the foundation of a rebuild.

Expect that he will be aggressively shopped as soon as it's apparent the knee is OK. Personally, I'd like to get younger than Gasol in such a move, but I would not be at all surprised if that's the most value that can be obtained for Rondo. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this blog does.

[connor]

I think you are correct, but I too am not a salary cap expert.

With that said, I too am quite confident that Doc and Ainge don't intend to rebuild around Rondo. FAR too much basketball evidence to the contrary for me to believe Rivers and Ainge would make that colossal blunder. Rondo is their biggest rebuilding asset in a trade, not the foundation of a rebuild.

Expect that he will be aggressively shopped as soon as it's apparent the knee is OK. Personally, I'd like to get younger than Gasol in such a move, but I would not be at all surprised if that's the most value that can be obtained for Rondo. The league doesn't value him nearly as much as this blog does.

I admit the fact that Danny has shopped Rondo so heavily over the past few years, isn't the best indicator that he intends to go forward with him as a building block. But don't be so sure that he wouldn't be willing to move forward with Rondo as their centerpiece (at least for the time being).

You're absolutely right that Rondo is our biggest rebuilding asset in a trade. Really he is our only major trade asset (Sully and Bradley really aren't anywhere near the same level). Unless there is a trade where Danny is getting serious value or what he deems a "steal" I don't see him moving Rondo (yet).

Barring some major changes in the NBA landscape, I don't know how much of a real chance we will have at Banner 18 next year and if thats the case there really is no rush to move Rondo. We can bide our time until there is another opportunity to get the best out of a deal for Rondo where a team is willing to overpay while trying to accumulate some other nice pieces.

And I do think there are teams out there willing to make a trade that fits this bill, just like there are teams out there that will be willing to overpay Josh Smith with a max contract.