What would you want back for Rondo?

[Lightskinsmurf]

Oh, I must have read the thread title wrong, because I thought it said "I want Rondo back".  I was going to say I agree 100%, then I saw it was a trade Rondo thread.  Ugh!

So what do I want, if we're trading Rondo?  LeBron, Durant, Melo.

lol............

[Moranis]

I would consider making any of the following trades.

Charlotte
Kemba Walker, Ben Gordon, Rights to Detroit and Portland picks for Rondo, Sullinger, Melo


New Orleans
Rivers, Lopez, 2013 1st, filler (if needed) for Rondo


Phoenix
Dragic, Beasley, 2013 1st for Rondo


Atlanta
Teague (sign & trade), Lou Williams, 2014 1st, 2016 1st for Rondo


Miami
Wade for Rondo, Bass

Only the Miami trade is any good.  Everything else is the poo-poo platter.  Not a single building block better then Rondo in there.  Two of them require the Celtics to take back a player on a bad contract.  (any deal Beasley is on at this moment is a bad contract)

I truly believe Ainge values lottery picks a great deal.  I mean take the Charlotte trade, that is a recent lottery pick in Walker plus what will likely be two other lottery picks.  A guy that drafts as well as Ainge, should be able to make out very well in that trade. 

New Orleans the same thing with Rivers and New Orleans pick this year, which is in the 5/6 range.  Ainge should be able to get a darn good player with that pick, plus brings in Rivers and a credible backup center in Lopez.

Phoenix trade is the one I liked the least because I am not a huge Dragic fan, but he has a pretty reasonable contract for what he brings and the pick would be in the 5/6 range, which should yield another solid player.   

I really like Teague.  A lot more than most.  If Boston could get him, Williams and some firsts that is a pretty darn good trade.  I don't think Atlanta does that unless bringing in Rondo means they are going to keep Smith or it gets them Dwight, but I think that is a doable trade for them in that situation.

[connor]

Nobody.  I want to keep Rondo and I want him to buy into the current offensive system they are running.  I think he can do it.  But will he is the question.

[/quote]

Oh, I must have read the thread title wrong, because I thought it said "I want Rondo back".  I was going to say I agree 100%, then I saw it was a trade Rondo thread.  Ugh!

So what do I want, if we're trading Rondo?  LeBron, Durant, Melo.

Nobody.

You guys are all missing the point of the this thread and probably didn't read past the title before you posted.

This has NOTHING to do with whether or not we should trade Rondo. In fact, in my orignal post I say I don't want to trade him.

This is just supposed to be a fun hypothetical situation. Danny Ainge comes to you and says "we are trading Rondo this offseason". Its your job to find a deal out there that another team would actually do that nets us the best return.

By no means am I saying we should trade Rondo and I specifically stated that I don't want this thread to turn into a should we or shouldn't we trade him debate. There are like 9 other threads where people are arguing over that already. Please don't bring that trash here.

I just wanted to know, given how much his name is thrown around and the fact that some people say we should trade him, what you guys would think we could realistically get in return. 

If you don't want to play along thats fine, but don't just post "nobody" because that just shows you didn't even read what the topic is about.

[Pucaccia]

Milsap or Jefferson

[CelticsFan9]

I'd like a big and a pick, but in reality, I'd rather just keep Rondo.

[AB_Celtic]

The problem is the PG position has become too strong in the NBA.  Unless the PG is a number 1 type of scorer (Paul, Rose, Westbrook or Williams before this season), I don't think teams are going to trade equal larger talent. 



This is why I think the Celtics are most likely to keep Rondo going forward.  They just are not going to get the trade value they need for him.

Yeah I agree. Rondo just doesn't have the value around the league that we think he has. And, unfortunately, there are two things reinforcing that right now: we are winning without him, and we won't see him take it up another notch in the playoffs. Us losing without him or him playing at his normal playoff level would have increased his value dramatically.

I honestly think his value is at its lowest right about now.

[hpantazo]

The problem is the PG position has become too strong in the NBA.  Unless the PG is a number 1 type of scorer (Paul, Rose, Westbrook or Williams before this season), I don't think teams are going to trade equal larger talent. 



This is why I think the Celtics are most likely to keep Rondo going forward.  They just are not going to get the trade value they need for him.

Yeah I agree. Rondo just doesn't have the value around the league that we think he has. And, unfortunately, there are two things reinforcing that right now: we are winning without him, and we won't see him take it up another notch in the playoffs. Us losing without him or him playing at his normal playoff level would have increased his value dramatically.

I honestly think his value is at its lowest right about now.

I agree. Ainge wasn't pleased with the offers he got for Rondo before the ACL injury and current win streak, never mind what he would get now.

If we want to play along with the point of this thread, I guess we have to pretend the ACL injury never happened and gauge value from that point

[connor]

I agree that an established big man and a pick would be a good haul, but I don't know how many teams are willing to give up a high quality big considering how rare/valuable they are these days. I'd guess we'd be more likely to get a decent mid level big man, a pick and additional talent. With that in mind:

How about the Nuggets? Especially if they get bounced in the first round again this year and are looking to make a change.

Boston Receives:
Ty Lawson, Javale McGee, Anthony Randolph, Future 1st Round draft pick

Nuggets Receive:
Rajon Rondo, Fab Melo, Brandon Bass

Why Boston would do it:

Ty Lawson is coming into his own as great PG with a solid all around game and is signed for the next 5 years (probably as a good a PG a team will swap for Rondo). McGee is a knucklehead, but with some tutelage from KG he could finally reach his potential or at the very least clog the lane and put up solid rebounding and blocks numbers. Randolph is a former lottery pick that could be a decent rotation guy in limited minutes.

The future first might be pushing it, but if the Nuggets can't get past the first round again, they'd throw it in to get a superstar who can carry a team come playoff time.

Why the Nuggets would do it:
Denver has only made it past the first round once in the past 10 years (and that was with Carmelo carrying them). Rondo fits perfectly into their system as an assist machine for their shooters and 7 footers and he does his best work in the playoffs. On top of that he is on one of best value contracts in the league. Giving up Lawson might be a tough pill to swallow since he has been playing so well, but Rondo is enough of an upgrade and has that extra gear in the playoffs so I don't see them saying no.

McGee is getting 10 million a year for 19 mins a game, and they have two other solid 7 footers so they can afford to give him up. Plus they get a project in Fab Melo back that could turn into McGee in a few years. And they have to eat Bass's contract, but if there is a team out there who could get the most out of Bass's style of play it'd be Denver. If he plays anything like he did the last year it might actually be a boost for them. 

[Moranis]

Thought of another trade that I'd do

Rondo, Bass

for

Al Jefferson (starting @ 13 for 4 years - or something like that), Alec Burks, 2014 1st top 20 protected


Why for Boston, brings an actual low post scoring option to pair with KG (and Jeff is still just 28) and brings in a young back-up PG to develop, while also clearing Bass' salary.

Why for Utah, gives them the PG they need/want to pair with their young trio of Hayward, Kanter, and Favors for a player they will probably lose anyway and a young very raw PG.  They can still keep Millsap or because of Bass can let him go in another sign and trade and they can eat Bass' salary since they are well under the cap. 


I really like KG and Al together, seems like a pretty solid match where KG can cover Al's defensive deficiencies, and also getting KG out of the paint offensively and more on the wing where he is more comfortable and can avoid some of the beating. 

[timobusa]

I want Rondo back for Rondo.

[AB_Celtic]

Thought of another trade that I'd do

Rondo, Bass

for

Al Jefferson (starting @ 13 for 4 years - or something like that), Alec Burks, 2014 1st top 20 protected

This is fairer than your proposed trades on the first page of this thread, but I still think we're losing it. Maybe instead of Burks we could swing Mo Williams in a sign-and-trade?

Jefferson (13m or so), Williams (5m or so), protected 1st
for
Rondo (11m), Bass (6m)

[connor]

Thought of another trade that I'd do

Rondo, Bass

for

Al Jefferson (starting @ 13 for 4 years - or something like that), Alec Burks, 2014 1st top 20 protected

This is fairer than your proposed trades on the first page of this thread, but I still think we're losing it. Maybe instead of Burks we could swing Mo Williams in a sign-and-trade?

Jefferson (13m or so), Williams (5m or so), protected 1st
for
Rondo (11m), Bass (6m)

I like Jefferson, especially because he is such a solid low post scorer, but I he is making 15 million this season and I doubt he will sign for less than 16m a year next season. I'd say he is worth that, but you might have a better chance with Millsap for that kind of money. Millsap is smaller and mostly a PF, but he has a better overall game.

I think you could probably get more for Rondo than just Millsap though, especially given that Sully looks like he could be a similar player if he stays healthy and continues to develop.

I want Rondo back for Rondo.

Pointless. Just terrible. Wish I could take away tommy points.

[nostar]

I would consider making any of the following trades.

Charlotte
Kemba Walker, Ben Gordon, Rights to Detroit and Portland picks for Rondo, Sullinger, Melo


New Orleans
Rivers, Lopez, 2013 1st, filler (if needed) for Rondo


Phoenix
Dragic, Beasley, 2013 1st for Rondo


Atlanta
Teague (sign & trade), Lou Williams, 2014 1st, 2016 1st for Rondo


Miami
Wade for Rondo, Bass

Only the Miami trade is any good.  Everything else is the poo-poo platter.  Not a single building block better then Rondo in there.  Two of them require the Celtics to take back a player on a bad contract.  (any deal Beasley is on at this moment is a bad contract)

I think the Miami trade is my least favorite. Also it's the most ridiculous probably.

The other trades are interesting though. If You swap Gordon for Doip and it's Walker/Diop and 2 (protected) 1sts then I'm interested. I don't want Gordon in any way. I'm not moving Sully in a Rondo deal unless we're getting back a top 10 player or a ton of picks.

The Atlanta trade is okay although I'm not in love with Teague. Teague/Williams and two mid-round 1sts is a good offer I think. It's not fair value but it's probably about what we should expect.

The PHX and NOH trades aren't on the level we should be looking. One 1st and role players isn't enough. Multiple 1sts and a young prospect along with expiring to salary match would be the offer that is working taking. Anything less and it seems like we want to trade him I think. I certainly hope we don't want to trade a player like Rondo. He's fast become my favorite NBA player.

[Celtics4ever]

I would like back from Rondo is putting Bradley back at SG where he belongs and RR at the helm with a team with more ball movement.

[ssspence]

A bigger build around guy. 


At one point, it could have been Cousins.  Now, forget about him. 

Agree with both points. I think Cousins falls firmly in the 'life's too short' category. If Rondo's a headache (which he clearly is -- a 'pill', as my grandmother would say), then imagine Cousins. No thanks.

But the concept it correct. An All-Star caliber big. Definitely hard to find that guy. Most interesting options involve a team that already has a very good if not either younger or better PG -- LAC, MIN, POR, MIL, OKC, CHI...

I'd assume both Dallas and Houston could be interested, but neither makes sense as a trade partner. I can't find a Utah deal that's both enticing and realistic. ORL's tricky but possible -- maybe Vucy, Harris and a pick with Harrington's non-guaranteed deal.

If the Cs decide their determined to move him, and want established players in return, the team that still makes the most sense to me is ATL. Horford isn't really enough, though I'd consider it if the Hawks gave up one other solid asset. If they felt acquiring Rondo would mean keeping Smith, and that's the best their going to do at the moment, I could see Ferry parting with Horford and either Teague (meh) or a 1st round pick.

I think this leaves the Cs keeping Rondo and hoping he improves before... well... trying to trade him again.

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The other -- and possibly best -- option? Giant salary dump for the summer of 2014.

Trade Rondo with Bass and Terry somewhere -- maybe to the Lakers for Gasol. Pay Pierce the final year of his deal. He and KG stick around for one more run, before KG retires that summer. He, Gasol and PP all come off the books. Or don't pay PP, KG retires, and the Cs tank 2013-14 for a lottery pick.

The Cs have Green, Lee, Bradley, Sully, their 1st round pick, loads of cap space, and one of the great franchises in sports to chase a top FA. It's a pretty serious list:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2014-nba-free-agents/

You can also trade Lee or Green during next season if you need to. Not fun... but what's the fastest path to another banner? No easy answers there...