Rumor: Cs passed on PP & 1st for Smith

[hpantazo]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

[clover]

Remember the talk of a complicated four-way that fell apart?  I wonder if that would have been a tweak to this that didn't work out.

[Lucky17]

Wow, Dallas would have gotten Paul Pierce for Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright, Dahntay Jones and a swap of 1st rounders in a weak draft? Really?

[connor]

Glad this didn't happen.

Was this the best offer we're going to get for Pierce?  Sure it was.  That doesn't mean we should've made it.

I don't want a meathead like Smith on this team.  If people really hate the Pierce end-of-game iso, I'd bet my left nut they would've hated the Smoove 17-seconds-left-on-the-shot-clock three more.

I'm not even sure its the best deal we could have gotten for Pierce. Potentially a 1 year rental of Smith and then either forced to let him walk or give him a max contract, which I don't think he is worth. And for that we have to give up the Captain, who you could argue deserves to retire in green AND a first rounder.

As I said above, I don't think swapping Pierce for Smith would have put us over the top. If the Celtics are moving PP I expect it to be as a part of a larger rebuilding process.

I would argue that Golden State would have been a better trading partner if the Celtics wanted to get the best value back for Pierce. The Warriors would have been a great landing spot for Pierce (it'd be nice to send him to a team that could contend rather than a sub .500 ball club) and we could probably have gotten either Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson if we were willing to take back enough in bad contracts (which we could subsequently amnesty or pawn off in other blow up trades). Adding PP would give the Warriors a boost in scoring and veteran leadership that they need. Plus with Jarret Jack and Carl Landry being so key to their success and both heading to free agency next year, this would be the year for them to make a push.

And I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, it was one of the potential trade options being floated out there for a while.

I'd rather young talent on rookie contracts to pair with our budding young core (Rondo, Bradley, Sully) than I guy who could either bail next season or end up getting way overpaid. 

[LooseCannon]

A first round pick in a weak draft class really prevented Ainge from acquiring Josh Smith? Really?

A first round pick in a weak draft class is not a worthless asset, especially if Ainge is locked in on some player who he expects to be available in the range he expects the Celtics to draft.

Second round picks aren't worthless assets that should be tossed around like candy, either.

[LooseCannon]

The Warriors would have been a great landing spot for Pierce (it'd be nice to send him to a team that could contend rather than a sub .500 ball club)

I'd argue that if you trade Pierce, you should trade him to a team that can give you a good draft pick in return...and teams that could contend are unlikely to be able to give you that pick.

[LarBrd33]

I might be in the minority, but I would've parted with this year's 1st, which is a very weak class, in order to aquire Smith. I just think Green is playing so well that he deserves the opportunity to log major minutes as a SF. This deal would've also given us a legit PF and  allowed us move Bass to the bench.

Yeah but our 2013 1st round pick is one of our best young players, the steal of the draft and one of the future cornerstones of this franchise... a future stah.  Didn't you see the game in the 2013 Summer League where he had a double-double?   You'd be insane to part with that guy for the likes of Josh Smith.  In fact, our 2013 1st rounder is better than Josh Smith right now... he just needs minutes.

[CelticsFan9]

Glad this didn't happen.

Was this the best offer we're going to get for Pierce?  Sure it was.  That doesn't mean we should've made it.

I don't want a meathead like Smith on this team.  If people really hate the Pierce end-of-game iso, I'd bet my left nut they would've hated the Smoove 17-seconds-left-on-the-shot-clock three more.

I'm not even sure its the best deal we could have gotten for Pierce. Potentially a 1 year rental of Smith and then either forced to let him walk or give him a max contract, which I don't think he is worth. And for that we have to give up the Captain, who you could argue deserves to retire in green AND a first rounder.

As I said above, I don't think swapping Pierce for Smith would have put us over the top. If the Celtics are moving PP I expect it to be as a part of a larger rebuilding process.

I would argue that Golden State would have been a better trading partner if the Celtics wanted to get the best value back for Pierce. The Warriors would have been a great landing spot for Pierce (it'd be nice to send him to a team that could contend rather than a sub .500 ball club) and we could probably have gotten either Harrison Barnes or Klay Thompson if we were willing to take back enough in bad contracts (which we could subsequently amnesty or pawn off in other blow up trades). Adding PP would give the Warriors a boost in scoring and veteran leadership that they need. Plus with Jarret Jack and Carl Landry being so key to their success and both heading to free agency next year, this would be the year for them to make a push.

And I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, it was one of the potential trade options being floated out there for a while.

I'd rather young talent on rookie contracts to pair with our budding young core (Rondo, Bradley, Sully) than I guy who could either bail next season or end up getting way overpaid.

I agree that the trade wouldn't have put us over the top, but I strongly disagree about this not being the best value for Pierce.

Pierce isn't as valuable as many think he is.  He isn't worth picks, unless they're mid-to-late firsts.  At best, he's worth a young asset and a bad contract.

When you get a chance to get Smith, a borderline All Star, that's a great trade.  I don't understand why Dallas and Atlanta would've wanted to do this.  It's terrible for both of them.

Dallas ain't making the playoffs, so why trade for Pierce?

Atlanta is getting crap for Smith.  He's got much better value than that.

Thompson and Barnes are nice players, but they are nothing near the player Smith is.

[rutzan]

Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

How do you think they'll do better?

Who says Smith will even want to sign and trade, he could just as easily go to a team with cap space.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

[hpantazo]

Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

How do you think they'll do better?

Who says Smith will even want to sign and trade, he could just as easily go to a team with cap space.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2. What would you get if you dealt Antoine Walker at age 29?

[rutzan]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

[hpantazo]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

Again, Josh Smith is nowhere near the level of Melo or D12. Not even close. He Antoine Walker 2.0, all he's missing is the wiggle. He certainly has the pouting, the bad shot selection, warped perception of his own value, etc.  What would you get for Antoine Walker in his prime?

[rutzan]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

Again, Josh Smith is nowhere near the level of Melo or D12. Not even close. He Antoine Walker 2.0, all he's missing is the wiggle. He certainly has the pouting, the bad shot selection, warped perception of his own value, etc.  What would you get for Antoine Walker in his prime?

danny ferry was laughing hysterically and rolling on the ground...Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones are pure crap...

[hpantazo]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

Again, Josh Smith is nowhere near the level of Melo or D12. Not even close. He Antoine Walker 2.0, all he's missing is the wiggle. He certainly has the pouting, the bad shot selection, warped perception of his own value, etc.  What would you get for Antoine Walker in his prime?

danny ferry was laughing hysterically and rolling on the ground...Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones are pure crap...

and I'm sure Ferry will be laughing when Josh Smith leaves and the hawks get nothing this summer. What did the cavs get in the Lebron sign and trade?

They got a trade exception and a few mediocre daft picks. Is Josh Smith better than Lebron? Should the Hawks expect more than that in return?

[rutzan]

This is not even close too being real...I used to think Woj was pretty good but I’m starting to wonder…look at what Denver got for Carmelo Anthony…heck…look at what Orlando got for Dwight Howard…those 3 players are not even rotation players…and…switching picks and adding another 1st round pick would still be bad for Atl…Atl would have never accepted this deal…they can do much better this summer with a S&T

well, for one, Josh Smith has never been an all-star. He's not near the level of Carmelo Anthony or Dwight Howard. Not even close.

He's much closer to Antoine Walker than he is to either of those 2.

The Nuggets traded Carmelo Melo to the New York Knicks.  Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.

is josh smith as good as carmelo anthony...probably not...but...someone will pay him max money because he is a good player...

Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones  versus Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov...it's not even close...

plus...a cap expert will have to verify this...josh smith gets more $ in a S&T...it's all about the quan...

Again, Josh Smith is nowhere near the level of Melo or D12. Not even close. He Antoine Walker 2.0, all he's missing is the wiggle. He certainly has the pouting, the bad shot selection, warped perception of his own value, etc.  What would you get for Antoine Walker in his prime?

danny ferry was laughing hysterically and rolling on the ground...Jae Crowder, Brandan Wright and Dahntay Jones are pure crap...

and I'm sure Ferry will be laughing when Josh Smith leaves and the hawks get nothing this summer. What did the cavs get in the Lebron sign and trade?

MIAMI GETS:

LeBron James, who signs a 6-year, $110 million contract
CLEVELAND GETS:

Two first-round picks, that must be used starting in 2013 and ending by 2017
2012 second-round pick Miami received from New Orleans
Future second-round pick Heat acquired from Oklahoma City
Cleveland can also swap first round picks with the Heat in 2012
A large trade exception($15 million or so) that the Cavs must use in trades for one calendar year.

i can see danny ferry in a chinese restaurant asking for the Dallas Maverick pu pu platter...

lol...lol...lol...