With the signing of Barbosa, does Bradley become main trade chip?

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most of the young stars are pg/combo guard types. Thats the foreseeable future of the nba, super athletic guards exploiting the no handcheck rule.

Rondo, rose, paul, westbrook, wade, d williams, wall, parker, irving, gordon, rivers, harden, curry, nash, etc, etc.

Having a shutdown guy who can handle these stars is about as valuable as having one of those stars. Which kinda means a healthy bradley is among those undersized stars, and in some cases, their equal or superior.

I get the feeling bradley is well liked by fans across the league for his quiet blue collar demeanor.

Defensive stars have been voted all stars before, and bradley can create dunk highlights at an elite level.

Rondo and Bradley. I think that might be a sports illustrated cover at some point.

T.p.
The center era is over, the small forward era is long gone.  It is now the pg era.  Bradley is extremely valuable for his defense alone.

I for one am happy with the backcourt depth this year.  How many seasons have we been through lately than ray,rondo are playing through injuries and subs are injured (delonte) or just not that good (insert many names)

[cman88]

even if Bradley's offense doesnt go back to the level it was at last season...you still have probably the best on-the-ball defender in the league..

and in a league with guys like westbrook, Derrick rose, deron williams, CP3 etc. why wouldnt you want someone who can shut down those guys?? it also makes rondo's job easier

Courtney Lee is a good defender, but I want Bradley on wade in a playoff series

[LarBrd33]

even if Bradley's offense doesnt go back to the level it was at last season...you still have probably the best on-the-ball defender in the league..

and in a league with guys like westbrook, Derrick rose, deron williams, CP3 etc. why wouldnt you want someone who can shut down those guys?? it also makes rondo's job easier

Courtney Lee is a good defender, but I want Bradley on wade in a playoff series

I feel like a broken record at this point and I'm probably just psyching myself out and preventing myself from getting disappointed... but I really feel like the Avery Bradley hype is overblown at this point.  We saw a month of solid play.  People throw around "best perimeter defender in the league" and it feels like massive hyperbole to me.  He had some solid plays.  He's unquestionably an aggressive defender.  He limited an injured Dwayne Wade.  I'm no more sold on him than I was of a rookie Marcus Banks (another aggressive undersized defender). 

I also think that Bradley can't possibly be our "main trade chip", because I'm utterly unconvinced that he has ANYWHERE near the value around the league that Boston Celtic fans have of him right now.  I'm not sure you could even fetch a lotto pick for him. 

Can we be real here?  We're talking about a guy who averaged 7.6 points and .7 steals as if he's a superstar.  Come on...

[nostar]

Does Smith for Bradley + Bass + other pieces (totally about $5 million in salary) make us better?  I'm skeptical.

I trade Bass/Lee for Smith every day of the week, especially after Bradley comes back healthy. I probably don't trade Bradley/Bass/and 3-4 other guys + picks for Smith. That is too much for me. I don't love the idea of moving Lee so soon but I also know this is a business and no one is really off limits.

You don't have to match the salaries, but not sure how much we have to send out to get 13 mil back. Anyone know for sure?

From what I understand about the new CBA teams over the salary cap can't take on more than 125% + $100K of the salary they send out. That means to get Smith we'd have to send out $10.66M. That is almost exactly the sum of the contracts for Bass and Lee. We also have a hard cap at 74.3 and we're about 1.8M below that after the Barbosa signing, which means we would have to send out 11.4M. So really even Bass+Lee wouldn't be enough.

Oh and I read somewhere that Smith gets a 15% trade kicker so that might get expensive too. I do not believe that counts against the cap but I don't know for sure.

I personally think we will make a play for Smith at mid-season. I also think we'll be unsuccessful in doing so. If we can get him and keep Bradley/Green/Sullinger and our vets of course I'd be really surprised. I don't think it's in the cards. My hope is that he doesn't go to any team in our division or in our playoff path. Go west young man, anywhere but LA

[cman88]

even if Bradley's offense doesnt go back to the level it was at last season...you still have probably the best on-the-ball defender in the league..

and in a league with guys like westbrook, Derrick rose, deron williams, CP3 etc. why wouldnt you want someone who can shut down those guys?? it also makes rondo's job easier

Courtney Lee is a good defender, but I want Bradley on wade in a playoff series

I feel like a broken record at this point and I'm probably just psyching myself out and preventing myself from getting disappointed... but I really feel like the Avery Bradley hype is overblown at this point.  We saw a month of solid play.  People throw around "best perimeter defender in the league" and it feels like massive hyperbole to me.  He had some solid plays.  He's unquestionably an aggressive defender.  He limited an injured Dwayne Wade.  I'm no more sold on him than I was of a rookie Marcus Banks (another aggressive undersized defender). 

I also think that Bradley can't possibly be our "main trade chip", because I'm utterly unconvinced that he has ANYWHERE near the value around the league that Boston Celtic fans have of him right now.  I'm not sure you could even fetch a lotto pick for him. 

Can we be real here?  We're talking about a guy who averaged 7.6 points and .7 steals as if he's a superstar.  Come on...

you can question his offense where he posted rediculous numbers over a 2 month span, but I dont think you can really question his defense...even when he was shooting bricks, bradley was shutting down players defensively

he has speed to stay in front of guys like wade/Rose defensively and thats what makes him so good there. The c's posted some scary defensive numbers with him in the starting lineup...and hes been getting credit around the league for his defense.

Rondo was able to gamble more because he knew that Bradley could stop their top guard from penetrating the perimeter defense.

[Kane3387]

most of the young stars are pg/combo guard types. Thats the foreseeable future of the nba, super athletic guards exploiting the no handcheck rule.

Rondo, rose, paul, westbrook, wade, d williams, wall, parker, irving, gordon, rivers, harden, curry, nash, etc, etc.

Having a shutdown guy who can handle these stars is about as valuable as having one of those stars. Which kinda means a healthy bradley is among those undersized stars, and in some cases, their equal or superior.

I get the feeling bradley is well liked by fans across the league for his quiet blue collar demeanor.

Defensive stars have been voted all stars before, and bradley can create dunk highlights at an elite level.

Rondo and Bradley. I think that might be a sports illustrated cover at some point.

Bradley is nice but he's not the darelle revis of the NBA. I think you sell high on him if it means bringing back a Josh smith level talent.

[LarBrd33]

even if Bradley's offense doesnt go back to the level it was at last season...you still have probably the best on-the-ball defender in the league..

and in a league with guys like westbrook, Derrick rose, deron williams, CP3 etc. why wouldnt you want someone who can shut down those guys?? it also makes rondo's job easier

Courtney Lee is a good defender, but I want Bradley on wade in a playoff series

I feel like a broken record at this point and I'm probably just psyching myself out and preventing myself from getting disappointed... but I really feel like the Avery Bradley hype is overblown at this point.  We saw a month of solid play.  People throw around "best perimeter defender in the league" and it feels like massive hyperbole to me.  He had some solid plays.  He's unquestionably an aggressive defender.  He limited an injured Dwayne Wade.  I'm no more sold on him than I was of a rookie Marcus Banks (another aggressive undersized defender). 

I also think that Bradley can't possibly be our "main trade chip", because I'm utterly unconvinced that he has ANYWHERE near the value around the league that Boston Celtic fans have of him right now.  I'm not sure you could even fetch a lotto pick for him. 

Can we be real here?  We're talking about a guy who averaged 7.6 points and .7 steals as if he's a superstar.  Come on...

you can question his offense where he posted rediculous numbers over a 2 month span, but I dont think you can really question his defense...even when he was shooting bricks, bradley was shutting down players defensively

he has speed to stay in front of guys like wade/Rose defensively and thats what makes him so good there. The c's posted some scary defensive numbers with him in the starting lineup...and hes been getting credit around the league for his defense.

Rondo was able to gamble more because he knew that Bradley could stop their top guard from penetrating the perimeter defense.

I think he'll probably be a solid player... either as a starter or a bench warmer.  I just don't know that he's indispensable and "main trade chip" valuable at this point in his career.  We're speculating on his potential based on about a month stretch of him starting.  Until he does it for more than a couple handful of games, I can't even say he's a Tony Allen level trade chip yet.   

Atlanta wouldn't trade Josh Smith for a package surrounding Tony Allen... so why do we think they'd trade him for a kid who averaged 7 points .7 steals and is thought to have great defensive ability for an undersized guard.

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I think when they were going to trade Tony Allen and now are different. Smith is leaving, they'll want some thing back even small, just to fill roster. They are in a reboot mode.

I think a third team has to be involved.

It worked on trade Checker with Bass/Collins/Mel out and Milsap to Atlanta and Smith hear. Im not sure how reliable the site is, but thats a Lakers type trade if you ask me.

It helps every team in some ways. Utah gets a solid PF,back up C and a potential starting C. Atlanta gets a PF thats close to Smith or on the same level. Boston gets 18pts 10rpg and 4apg out of ONE player.

Im sure other three or 4 team trades could work. And other players other than Smith could be had. But Smith helps with the Small line up Miami will run with LB at the 4. And could help with LA with the Gasol/Howard line up.

If some how the C's don't have to give up AB would be good, just from a off the bench defensive stopper idea.

[pearljammer10]

I think when they were going to trade Tony Allen and now are different. Smith is leaving, they'll want some thing back even small, just to fill roster. They are in a reboot mode.

I think a third team has to be involved.

It worked on trade Checker with Bass/Collins/Mel out and Milsap to Atlanta and Smith hear. Im not sure how reliable the site is, but thats a Lakers type trade if you ask me.

It helps every team in some ways. Utah gets a solid PF,back up C and a potential starting C. Atlanta gets a PF thats close to Smith or on the same level. Boston gets 18pts 10rpg and 4apg out of ONE player.

Im sure other three or 4 team trades could work. And other players other than Smith could be had. But Smith helps with the Small line up Miami will run with LB at the 4. And could help with LA with the Gasol/Howard line up.

If some how the C's don't have to give up AB would be good, just from a off the bench defensive stopper idea.

But milsap is much better than bass. Why would Utah trade Milsap just for the sake of making one, while getting a player of lesser value in return.

Plus if the jazz would for some strange resin actually trade Milsap for bass, I think the majority of people here would want Milsap over smith. Personal I'd take smith, but just saying.

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Barbosa was a great signing, but he isn't good enough to create a logjam at this point in his career. He is a guy who can disrupt defenses when needed and help if there are any injuries, but he is just here for depth.

If we trade Bradley, we no longer have the depth.

We will never have depth if we always view it as a logjam, despite there being a clear pecking order.

[guava_wrench]

OP, Bass,Bradley and Melo is short of money to get Smith, Lee has to be added but then it's overpaying. Take out either Melo or Bradley then it's a deal.

And again, we are NOT trading Lee after we convinced him to sign with us for less money.

Unless he doesn't pan out and needs a change of scenery. Otherwise, no reason to trade a good deal. At least not midseason.

[nostar]

It worked on trade Checker with Bass/Collins/Mel out and Milsap to Atlanta and Smith hear. Im not sure how reliable the site is

That trade won't work because we're sending out 8.6M and getting back 13.2M. We are only 1.8M under the apron right now so we'd have to trade 11.4M in salary to get Smith here.

Additionally there is no reason for Utah to make that trade. This is one of those Celticblog trades where we send out mostly trash and get back an all-star. To get Smith we'll have to trade two of Green/Bradley/Sullinger and then add in Bass or Lee to match salaries. Oh and probably some picks too. That is why I'm in the "I don't want him that bad" camp.

I would look seriously at Millsap though. He's an absolute stud and his contract is up after this season. If we trade for Millsap we could either resign him or go after Smith in the off-season. I'd trade Bass/Melo/Sullinger for Millsap without thinking twice, and I'm high in Sully. That would give Utah a haul of serviceable big guys (which you need out west) and gives us an upgrade at PF.

The only hitch is that Utah will be able to sign Millsap back if he wants to stay so they might not be inclined to trade him. They have tons of cap space and may night be able to use it any better than resigning Millsap and Jefferson to hefty contracts. That is something we just can't match.