With the signing of Barbosa, does Bradley become main trade chip?

[Neurotic Guy]

I really hope that the team as constructed will be great and there will be no need for trade.  I want all the guys who chose to sign here to be a part of this team. 

Of course, Danny should do anything that makes this team better and he'll always keep his eyes open.  He seems to have built a deep and verstaile team, with talent and tradeable contracts -- tradeable in numerous impressive combinations. 

I am not a huge fan of Josh Smith, so I hope we go in a differnt direction, but DA can put together some pretty impressive trade packages now.

[coco]

I think it depends on ABradley's injury prone body.  I think that if Bradley gets injured one more time.....Danny might look into moving him while his stock is high.

Too bad though.  When you pair him with Rondo...they are a really scary defensive duo.   

[dwayne celtic]

i dont think so besides its only a one year deal for barbosa, bradley is possible the future at the 2 or a sixth man off the bench in the future so i dont think this signing has anything to do with him

[ausbacker]

This team is being built for the long run. There's depth across the board and talent. I'm not sure I agree that players are being collected for trades. Players are being collected because depth was our downfall as the season progressed and the playoffs bench scoring became an issue.

[mmmmm]

with the signing of Barbosa a talented c's backcourt just got even better and more explosive . When Bradley comes back there will be 4 guys trying to split 58 mins a game(rondo will play at least 38)

That leaves a log jam . I know Bradley is a great defender, but we have Lee locked up long term at a cheap price who is a very capable starting SG in the league and fits well running next to Rondo. He isn't the shut down defender Bradley is, but is very capable of playing good man and team defense.

To me Bradley and Bass are the most expendable players now and while I would hate to lose Bradley's D if we could get an impact pf back like Josh Smith you have to do it

Bradley, Bass , Melo ,filler and 2 1sts for Josh Smith ?

I know, I know...not another Josh Smith thread, but I think this signing really paves the way for Bradley to become a trade chip for an upgrade at PF. Bass may have to be traded to a 3rd team who would send an expiring contract to Atl

Its not that I mind seeing 'yet another josh smith thread' (YAJST), but that trade keeps getting proposed and, well, it just doesn't work.

It doesn't send enough money out in order for us to bring back Smith's contract.   Especially since we just added Barbosa, eating further into whatever sliver of room remains between our salary and the luxury tax threshold.

Basically, any trade for Smith is going to have to send out at least 12M.

Bass (6M), Bradley (1.63M) & Melo (1.2M) is too small.  That's less than 9M.  You'd have to add far too many additional players to make the 'filler' add up.   That's too many players.  You'll have to send out a third of our roster just to bring in one guy - and then spend more vet min contracts on dead bodies off the street to fill out the roster.

Further, Bass and Melo can't even be traded until the contract vesting deadline passes (mid December?).

I doubt seriously that we are going to trade for Josh Smith, but the only way we do it is if we trade a couple of mid-size contracts such as Bass+Lee or Green+Lee.  And I just don't see either of those deals being attractive to Atlanta.   So you now have to bring in a 3rd team to try to move those parts out and some sort of more attractive package to Atlanta.  And the moment you start needing to add additional teams to make the deal happen, it just gets less likely to happen.

I'm not saying for certain we will or won't trade for him.  Danny is one crafty magician with this stuff.  But it just doesn't look likely.

[nickagneta]

Barbosa is a two month fill in for Bradley's position and insurance in case Terry gets injured, nothing more.

Bradley is only on the third year of his rookie contract and is just 21 years old and a future regular on the 1st Team All-Defense team. Barbosa's signing does in no wat mean Bradley suddenly becomes a trade chip.

Honestly, the only person that threatens Bradley's long term time here as a Celtic is Courtney Lee. He's never been long term with any team. There has to be a reason for that from behind the scenes that regular fans just don't know about. If Lee fits in great and plays excellent defense and shoots the three at 40% or so, that could jeopardize Bradley's long term tenure here.

Honestly, though, I see Rondo, Lee and Bradley being Celtics a long time here. A pure point, a pure 2 guard and a pure combo guard. All very good to elite defenders and all tough as nails.

[Roy H.]

This team is being built for the long run.

Yeah, agreed.  We can't move a 21 year old Avery Bradley just because we have an (almost) 30 year old Barbosa.

[Jeff]

This team is being built for the long run.

Yeah, agreed.  We can't move a 21 year old Avery Bradley just because we have an (almost) 30 year old Barbosa.

perhaps, but if we were to pick up someone like Josh Smith, it would maybe be worth letting go of Bradley - especially with Lee in town

of course just bringing up Smith is a whole can of worms LOL

[Roy H.]

This team is being built for the long run.

Yeah, agreed.  We can't move a 21 year old Avery Bradley just because we have an (almost) 30 year old Barbosa.

perhaps, but if we were to pick up someone like Josh Smith, it would maybe be worth letting go of Bradley - especially with Lee in town

of course just bringing up Smith is a whole can of worms LOL

Yeah...  It's going to be tough putting together a package for Smith, and I'm not sure that I'd want to pay the asking price.

Does Smith for Bradley + Bass + other pieces (totally about $5 million in salary) make us better?  I'm skeptical.

[moiso]

I think it depends on ABradley's injury prone body.  I think that if Bradley gets injured one more time.....Danny might look into moving him while his stock is high.

Too bad though.  When you pair him with Rondo...they are a really scary defensive duo.

I can't think of a player whose career was severely impacted long term by shoulder problems.  That is in Avery's favor.

[LooseCannon]

I'm going to go ahead and predict that Barbosa is more likely to be traded mid-season than Bradley.

[LarBrd33]

This team is being built for the long run.

Yeah, agreed.  We can't move a 21 year old Avery Bradley just because we have an (almost) 30 year old Barbosa.

perhaps, but if we were to pick up someone like Josh Smith, it would maybe be worth letting go of Bradley - especially with Lee in town

of course just bringing up Smith is a whole can of worms LOL

Yeah...  It's going to be tough putting together a package for Smith, and I'm not sure that I'd want to pay the asking price.

Does Smith for Bradley + Bass + other pieces (totally about $5 million in salary) make us better?  I'm skeptical.

Yes.  It does.  Bass is a bench player and we still haven't seen enough from Bradley to say he's anywhere near the asset Josh Smith is.  We got a good look at Bradley for a month.  A month isn't nearly enough time.

[LarBrd33]

Is Pierce too old to be a trade chip at this point?

If we could trade Pierce + assets for Josh Smith, I'd be comfortable starting Jeff Green at SF.

[GreenEnvy]

We are obviously deep. If possible, too deep. 2-3 quality players at every position.

We have 3 great players (Rondo-Pierce-KG), then about 5 good/very good players (JET, AB, Lee, Green, Bass) and 3 above-average for their position/role (Sully, Wilcox, Darko). All three could be good players if they play to their potential.

So if we can trade 2-4 of those second- and third-tiered players for one great player, I think I would.

We could only really upgrade at SG or PF/C. Since we spent about $10M on two SG's this year who wanted to be here, I don't see them being moved (therefore no SG). So it's really only a stud big to pair with KG.

I'd do Bradley+Sully+Bass+Wilcox for DMC+fillers in a second. If it needed Green instead on Bass, I'd have to think about it, but probably would.

I don't know what I would part with for Smith. I'd entertain it, but a package starting with AB+Green is probably too much.

I don't know what other big is out there, but we have the pieces to make it happen.

But let's see this group in action before we start looking at making changes.

[Lucky17]

with the signing of Barbosa a talented c's backcourt just got even better and more explosive . When Bradley comes back there will be 4 guys trying to split 58 mins a game(rondo will play at least 38)

This is true. However, Bradley won't/shouldn't be rushed back during the regular season.

By the time Bradley does get cleared to play, who's to say that Barbosa or Terry won't be banged up by then?

Barbosa signed a one-year deal. I think he's looking to ride coattails and enjoy a run for a ring. I don't think he's going to make anyone expendable.