2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"

[BASS_THUMPER]

Proceed

"hug a kitten"

lol

tickled me a lil bit

[StartOrien]

I think you can come back from injury and still be a soft basketball player. It was commendable for him to come back, but that doesn't change the fact that when he came back he didn't play a physical brand of basketball.

[Who]

Houston Boxers

PG: Russell Westbrook
SG: Paul George
SF:
PF:
C: Marcin Gortat

The Boxers are a happy pack.

Would you consider moving Paul George back to his primary position at small forward?

I think George will play better at SF in the immediate sense vs SG. Having that extra quickness over his opponent. I think that will make his (work in progress) shot-creation skills more effective.

I think his shooting ability at SF with a quality SG alongside him (preferably a capable secondary ball-handler for Westbrook) would give your team the best balance offensively. I think that extra floor spacing and ball-handling will be important in getting the best out of Westbrook.

[Roy H.]

Good man, Who, getting us back on track.

[Who]

I think people underestimate just how much Bosh opened up the floor for Miami offensively when he returned from injury.

How much harder it was for opponent teams to play effective team defense against Miami's offensive options (with a center like Bosh) and how many more good-to-high percentage shot attempts they conceded (to Miami as a whole team) due to Bosh's presence.

His impact (offensively) went far beyond the points he scored himself.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

[GreenFaith1819]

Denver Nuggets:

PG - Mike Conley Jr
SG -
SF -
PF - Carlos Boozer
C - Kevin Garnett

Thoughts?

[indeedproceed]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

I'm a big Bogut fan and I think you actually got a steal where you got him.

I'm a huge David Lee hater and I actually think Golden State will end up moving him because he's not gonna be able to play next to Bogut. I just think with an actually capable rebounding defending and passing big man next to Lee, what he is actually bringing to the table will diminish.

Huge Kyrie Irving fan. Good luck in the Bogut debates.

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I think people underestimate just how much Bosh opened up the floor for Miami offensively when he returned from injury.

How much harder it was for opponent teams to play effective team defense against Miami's offensive options (with a center like Bosh) and how many more good-to-high percentage shot attempts they conceded (to Miami as a whole team) due to Bosh's presence.

His impact (offensively) went far beyond the points he scored himself.

It certainly did, most notably against the Celtics when KG was forced to respect his shot. But I'd argue that there isn't a lack of other good bigs that would've been able to create the same. We're 3 rounds deep in our own draft and there's still plenty of those types available.

[StartOrien]

I think Bosh is a very good player, btw. I just agree that on the court he is soft, and I don't think Who's point about the spacing he created shows that much.

I think you put him against a strong, physical post player like a  Marc Gasol or a Horford or a Nene and he's going to get murdered. Over and over and over again.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

I'm a big Bogut fan and I think you actually got a steal where you got him.

I'm a huge David Lee hater and I actually think Golden State will end up moving him because he's not gonna be able to play next to Bogut. I just think with an actually capable rebounding defending and passing big man next to Lee, what he is actually bringing to the table will diminish.

Huge Kyrie Irving fan. Good luck in the Bogut debates.

May I ask as to why you hate David Lee's game? Just for further references.

I mean, he does everything on offense. Bad help defender but a solid one-on-one interior defender. Runs the floor well, shoots at a high percentage and a very good rebounder. A good passer as well. I think Bogut and him fit perfectly, both are good passers and both can find people under the rim

[WeMadeIt17]

Pg-rubio
sg-monta
Sf-melo
Pf-ibaka

What do you think of the knicks

[Who]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

I am very concerned about the decline in Bogut's offensive value post-injury. He struggled mightily his first year back and he showed no signs of improvement in the small number of games he played last season. Not convinced he is going to be able to regain his former levels of utility offensively. 

Without that offensive value, I think his value declines quite a bit. Strictly a defender/rebounder with minimal offensive value rather than the three-dimensional player he was before the injury.

I gave Bogut the benefit of the doubt a year ago (that his offense would improve after another summer post-injury) but after seeing no progress this past season, I am taking a "prove it to me" stance on Bogut's offensive game.

I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.

I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).

I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.

Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.

I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).

I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.

Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.

I disagree. David Lee is a starting caliber PF. He's a walking 20/10 on 50% shooting. He can score from anywhere on the court, either off the dribble, post or on pick and roll/pops or positioning himself under the rim. He's also a good passer. He's a good post defender, but not a good help or man to man defender, i'll give you that.

Is he really a sixth man? He basically offers the same, if not more on the table than other PF's drafted (and I mean no shots at these names) like Faried, Ibaka, Millsap and maybe to an extent, Pau and LMA.

[Who]

I guess I have to put Cleveland here...

Cleveland Derps

Kyrie Irving
Andrew Bogut
David Lee


I don't know, that's a a solid front court and a young leader/superstar in the making.

(I'm seeing it already. Bogut will be judged because of injuries. Lets keep in mind that Bogut's injuries, while many, are not recurring, so chances that he stays injured is pretty much on par on chances that he stays healthy.)

I like David Lee more as a sixth man than a starter. I don't think he offers much advantage to his team as a starting PF in the NBA. As a starting C, he does offensively but he is a liability defensively.

I think his numbers will decline the more minutes he plays at PF (vs C) and decline further the more quality talent is put around him because he isn't a top tier player so his shot-attempts will go elsewhere (and it's not like he is adding value defensively).

I would consider bringing in another PF (even in a 20mpg starter's role) and moving David Lee to the bench where I think he'll be one of the best sixth men in the CB league.

Kyrie Irving is a terrific prospect. Excellent chance to be a top five PG down the road. Most definitely a keeper.

I disagree. David Lee is a starting caliber PF. He's a walking 20/10 on 50% shooting. He can score from anywhere on the court, either off the dribble, post or on pick and roll/pops or positioning himself under the rim. He's also a good passer. He's a good post defender, but not a good help or man to man defender, i'll give you that.

Is he really a sixth man? He basically offers the same, if not more on the table than other PF's drafted (and I mean no shots at these names) like Faried, Ibaka, Millsap and maybe to an extent, Pau and LMA.

I agree that David Lee is a capable starting big at either big man position.

I disagree that he is a high level starter.

And I believe that his value to your team is higher as one of the league's best sixth men (as a backup PF/C) than as a capable starter (PF).