Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe

[Roy H.]

To me if you can't distinguish right away what jersey he will have retired in his Hall of Fame induction that makes him a journeyman. If you dont like that opinion tough. It is what it is. And im allowed to my opinion thanks.

If your in touch with ray ray please enlighten us which jersey he will choose. He will embarass himself if he chooses the C's jersey. Half the fan base or more considers him a benedict arnold now and forever more. You guys can play the holier than thou card and sing koom-by-ya all you want. Ill be in the garden to drown out the hippies in beer, belching, and booing.

NBA players don't go into the HOF in a jersey.

[Onslaught]

. You guys can play the holier than thou card and sing koom-by-ya all you want. Ill be in the garden to drown out the hippies in beer, belching, and booing.

So you're the one that threw the beer at James!!!!!  


Just a joke

[crownsy]

Here it is:


It is absolutely a hollow gesture. Actions speak louder than words.

Dear Ray Allen,

Bite me.

Sincerely yours,

Boston

Dear poster,

Please do not presume speak for me with your reaction.

Sincerely yours,

Rational Celtics fans.


I seriously don't get the extreme level of hate directed at Ray over the past few weeks.

He made a choice, which was his right.

Do I like the choice? no, i do not.

But all these "oh, he's a traitor!!! if you don't boo him your not a true fan!!!" posts are just childish to me.

He was a free agent, a free agent which MULTIPLE POSTERS, (some of whom are now the leading voices in calling him a traitor) wanted:

1.Shipped out of town on each of the last two trade deadlines

2. gone to make way for Avery Bradley

3. did not want back at the 2 year/ 12 million offer initally reported.

But now that he goes to miami, suddenly he's a traitor?

There is no requirement that Ray Allen leave the Celtics and go to a crappy team, which is essentially what you wanted to happen in order for him to "earn the right to be cheered" when he came back or whatever ridiculous notions you have.

He went to miami. It sucks, i wish it hadn't have happened too. But it is what it is, and it doesn't erase 5 years of exceptional service.

He will get a standing O from me when he comes onto the floor against us, and then booed like every other member of the heat thereafter.

[kozlodoev]

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[Onslaught]

1.Shipped out of town on each of the last two trade deadlines

2. gone to make way for Avery Bradley

3. did not want back at the 2 year/ 12 million offer initally reported.

Ah yes, the second fiddle argument. Ray is so upset with having to play second fiddle in Boston that he went to Miami to do... exactly the same thing for half the salary.

Sure, it's his right to doit. And it's the fans' right not to like it.

If you're going to play second fiddle on either team why not play for the younger one that has the best chance of winning it all? It's not like he's a guy who hasn't made his money in the past. I doubt the cash had much to do with this at all. As a matter of fact, seeing how he took less money I'd say it had nothing to do with it.

[mmmmm]

As much as I try to hate Ray for taking his talents to our rival, I just can't hate him after that ad. It's like with Nash, I can't hate him even though he belongs to the other arch enemy.

the difference is that Nash was TRADED to the Lakers. Sure it was just for draft picks, but the point was, the Suns organization was fine with letting Nash go even if it was to the Lakers. Do you think Ainge would've traded Ray to the Heat? Last I heard before he signed, the Celtics were really making a hard push to re-sign Ray. It's a completely different situation.

Nash had to consent to that trade.

[kozlodoev]

If you're going to play second fiddle on either team why not play for the younger one that has the best chance of winning it all?

If he doesn't care about his status of a basketball icon in Boston, that's exactly what he should do.

It's not like he's a guy who hasn't made his money in the past. I doubt the cash had much to do with this at all. As a matter of fact, seeing how he took less money I'd say it had nothing to do with it.

Cash is relevant to the extent to which the club showed due respect by not trying to low-ball him.

[mmmmm]

Dragging his kids across the country to take a 50% pay cut.

 

He'll manage on 3 mil

I really can't believe how bitter people are about this.

Yeah, I'm not getting it either. Ray never originated as a Celtic. Miami is his 4th NBA stop. He was never going to get his number retired here and, let's be honest, had fallen to a fourth wheel over the last two years.

He was an amazing player that helped to contribute mightily to a championship here and 5 years of outstanding basketball. He gave me some great memories.

But he went elsewhere. It happens and in modern professional sports its a quite common occurrence. If he had been traded out of town is there really any difference? He's gone.

I hope Ray finds whatever he's looking for that Boston couldn't give him so long as it doesn't cause Boston to not attain their goals of winning a championship.

And what #wheel do you think he will be in Miami?  People are reacting because none of the reasons given make logical sense. He moved his family so he might not have to move his family. He was the 4th wheel in Boston so he goes to a team where there are 3 All Stars in their prime. He was upset at coming off the bench so he took a role elsewhere off the bench. He was upset KG got such a nice deal so he took less money elsewhere. It all points to a petulant, overly sensitive,  ego driven guy,  not at all what people thought,  so it hurts.

Commenting on the bold:  It doesn't make logical sense to fans because those fans are not Ray Allen and don't have a clue as to what is going on in his life.

Folks should just give up trying to pretend they intimately know what goes on in the heads of professional athletes.

I can imagine a dozen legitimate reasons (and none of them would have anything to do with 'screwing' Boston) why Ray might have chosen to go to Miami.  I don't know any of them to be true or false.  So I just let it go.  Ray had his reasons.  Big deal

He's the enemy now, so I'll boo him mercilessly when he's on the court.

But all the hate that some fans are spewing?  Lame.

[Interceptor]

He went to miami. It sucks, i wish it hadn't have happened too. But it is what it is, and it doesn't erase 5 years of exceptional service.

I don't know why folks keep bringing up his five years here, as if people are actually making this argument. This isn't some video game, with a needle pointing to your precise morality, where good is erased by bad and vice-versa. Allen's time spent here is irrelevant to the point in either direction.

[kozlodoev]

Commenting on the bold:  It doesn't make logical sense to fans because those fans are not Ray Allen and don't have a clue as to what is going on in his life.

Folks should just give up trying to pretend they intimately know what goes on in the heads of professional athletes.

I can imagine a dozen legitimate reasons (and none of them would have anything to do with 'screwing' Boston) why Ray might have chosen to go to Miami.  I don't know any of them to be true or false.  So I just let it go.  Ray had his reasons.  Big deal

He meant the reasonst GIVEN, not the reasons in Ray Allen's head.

[Onslaught]

If you're going to play second fiddle on either team why not play for the younger one that has the best chance of winning it all?

If he doesn't care about his status of a basketball icon in Boston, that's exactly what he should do.

It's not like he's a guy who hasn't made his money in the past. I doubt the cash had much to do with this at all. As a matter of fact, seeing how he took less money I'd say it had nothing to do with it.

Cash is relevant to the extent to which the club showed due respect by not trying to low-ball him.

I think as Celtics fans we put too much stock in this. We look at it as one of the most important things because we love the organization so much. Who knows what players think.

I doubt they put that much stock in it. Unless they played here forever like Paul or Bird or someone like that. If being a Boston legend was so important to modern players we wouldn't have stunk so bad for 20+ years. People would've wanted to come and play here.

[kozlodoev]

If you're going to play second fiddle on either team why not play for the younger one that has the best chance of winning it all?

If he doesn't care about his status of a basketball icon in Boston, that's exactly what he should do.

It's not like he's a guy who hasn't made his money in the past. I doubt the cash had much to do with this at all. As a matter of fact, seeing how he took less money I'd say it had nothing to do with it.

Cash is relevant to the extent to which the club showed due respect by not trying to low-ball him.

I think as Celtics fans we put too much stock in this. We look at it as one of the most important things because we love the organization so much. Who knows what players think.

I doubt they put that much stock in it. Unless they played here forever like Paul or Bird or someone like that. If being a Boston legend was so important to modern players we wouldn't have stunk so bad for 20+ years. People would've wanted to come and play here.

I am not saying that he _should_ care, just saying it's an indication of whether he does. If he doesn't, he'll have to live with the backlash.

Maybe stuff like this wasn't important for Ray Allen. But it was definitely important for Kevin Garnett, for example.

That is all.

[Redz]

He went to miami. It sucks, i wish it hadn't have happened too. But it is what it is, and it doesn't erase 5 years of exceptional service.

I don't know why folks keep bringing up his five years here, as if people are actually making this argument. This isn't some video game, with a needle pointing to your precise morality, where good is erased by bad and vice-versa. Allen's time spent here is irrelevant to the point in either direction.

If we don't consider the time he spent here as part of the equation, then he's just an aging all star who decided to tag on to the defending champs to have a shot at a ring.

Not the first to do that, and certainly not the last.

[crownsy]

He went to miami. It sucks, i wish it hadn't have happened too. But it is what it is, and it doesn't erase 5 years of exceptional service.

I don't know why folks keep bringing up his five years here, as if people are actually making this argument. This isn't some video game, with a needle pointing to your precise morality, where good is erased by bad and vice-versa. Allen's time spent here is irrelevant to the point in either direction.

I don't get why people like yourself now pretend you always hated him and his contributions to 5 seasons of Celtics basketball now dont count because your feelings are hurt based on his choice of new team.

I understand everyone is hurt that he went to the miami heat. I get it. It doesn't change my opinion of what he contributed while he was here.

They are separate and distinct from how i feel about his choice or the motives behind it.

To put it bluntly, i'm not going to do revisionist history on his contributions based on whether he joined the heat or the bobcats.

He will get the one standing O he deserves from me that night for his contributions to the team and banner 17. He will then be booed like any other member of the heat.

That's my choice as a fan, just as yours is to make your sig a burning jersey. Each are equally valid ways to think about it. We're not required to agree with the others choice.

 

[crownsy]

As much as I try to hate Ray for taking his talents to our rival, I just can't hate him after that ad. It's like with Nash, I can't hate him even though he belongs to the other arch enemy.

the difference is that Nash was TRADED to the Lakers. Sure it was just for draft picks, but the point was, the Suns organization was fine with letting Nash go even if it was to the Lakers. Do you think Ainge would've traded Ray to the Heat? Last I heard before he signed, the Celtics were really making a hard push to re-sign Ray. It's a completely different situation.

Nash had to consent to that trade.

Nash actually spearheaded the terms.