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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #105 on: July 15, 2012, 10:38:19 PM »

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I am laughing very hard to myself at this ad from Ray being defined as "classy." If it was classy it would have been in the Globe on July 11, the day Ray's signing by the Heat was announced. It might have seemed genuine. I have been in the PR/marketing industry for 30 years, and this ad is 100 percent a damage control move by Ray's team to try and save his image and legacy in Boston. He simply cannot stand the fact that he might not be loved by the Boston fans and he and his team mistakenly think he can win back this love with the empty, full-page, piece of nothing.

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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #106 on: July 15, 2012, 10:39:40 PM »

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Bandwagon isn't thE right word, and it isnt one we throw around lightly.That's not a guideline, it's a blog rule.

I think it's...what's the word for overly and unnessecarily emotional? Can't remember.

But that's what it seems like to me. The celtics did what they thought was best with the asset they had, and took a risk he wouldn't be cool with it. He wasn't cool with it and went somewhere else.

It's not a slap in the face to fans, but that seems like its how some are taking it. FWF had it right. It's possible, even likely that Ray loves the fans here, and cherished his time here, but just felt it was time to move on. Don't see a logical argument that his message was anything but sincere, and don't see the point in being mad about it. I'm disappointed he's not coming back, but I don't see the point in making it out as a personal slight against us as fans.

Some will think the message sincere, others will not. However, as I said, I have been in the PR business for more than 30 years, and I know a damage control campaign when I see it.

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« Reply #107 on: July 15, 2012, 10:42:43 PM »

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Some will think the message sincere, others will not. However, as I said, I have been in the PR business for more than 30 years, and I know a damage control campaign when I see it.

Even if it was in response to the blowback from his decision, still don't see a real reason why it's not sincere.

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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2012, 10:51:03 PM »

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Bandwagon isn't thE right word, and it isnt one we throw around lightly.That's not a guideline, it's a blog rule.

I think it's...what's the word for overly and unnessecarily emotional? Can't remember.

But that's what it seems like to me. The celtics did what they thought was best with the asset they had, and took a risk he wouldn't be cool with it. He wasn't cool with it and went somewhere else.

It's not a slap in the face to fans, but that seems like its how some are taking it. FWF had it right. It's possible, even likely that Ray loves the fans here, and cherished his time here, but just felt it was time to move on. Don't see a logical argument that his message was anything but sincere, and don't see the point in being mad about it. I'm disappointed he's not coming back, but I don't see the point in making it out as a personal slight against us as fans.

Some will think the message sincere, others will not. However, as I said, I have been in the PR business for more than 30 years, and I know a damage control campaign when I see it.

Unless someone has first-hand information from Ray or his inner circle, then it makes sense to assume the most likely reason, which is that it is sincere and something he wanted to do. Wild speculation and emotional baggage could lead some to different, more unlikely scenarios of course. The need to believe the worst can be powerful motivation in and of itself.

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« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2012, 11:13:22 PM »

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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #110 on: July 15, 2012, 11:14:17 PM »

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Let's put it this way.

A lot of players were trade during this free agency. The minute news of it comes out, those players tweet RIGHT AWAY thanking the organization and their fans, without spewing bad blood if there is one. That's a classy thing to do.

What Ray and LeBron did on the other hand caught some very negative backlash. And since those are bad for their image, a few days later they "thank" everyone. This is damage control. While I do think the appreciation is somewhat sincere, but they couldn't do it the day they decided to move on? They had to wait for the reaction of the fans to do so? They couldn't do it while spewing sour grapes? That's classless to me.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #111 on: July 15, 2012, 11:14:28 PM »

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What struck me most about that ad was seeing the picture of Ray: alone.
Hes separated himself from the legacy. He leaves alone.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #112 on: July 15, 2012, 11:33:33 PM »

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Then you'd think his service over 5 years to the Cs, his and his family's devotion of time, energy, and money to the Boston community, and his reputation as a consummate professional over a long NBA career would carry more weight.

Let's put it this way.

A lot of players were trade during this free agency. The minute news of it comes out, those players tweet RIGHT AWAY thanking the organization and their fans, without spewing bad blood if there is one. That's a classy thing to do.

What Ray and LeBron did on the other hand caught some very negative backlash. And since those are bad for their image, a few days later they "thank" everyone. This is damage control. While I do think the appreciation is somewhat sincere, but they couldn't do it the day they decided to move on? They had to wait for the reaction of the fans to do so? They couldn't do it while spewing sour grapes? That's classless to me.

He signed on what, the 11th, a wednesday?

Since you're speculating, let me speculate on the following completely hypothetical conversation:

Ray: you think we should do something for the fans, to know they're appreciated?
Agent: like what?
Ray: I dunno, an announcement in the paper or something?
Agent: I guess, if you want. But do it on Sunday. Nobody reads papers on Wednesday.
Ray: Yah, that'll work. Let them know I really appreciated their support, but had to move on.

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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #113 on: July 15, 2012, 11:44:37 PM »

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You are absolutely right, it's not a business, it's a family, and for some reason the Celtic family turned on him and now we are bashing him for leaving.

Thing is that, before he made his decision, everyone on this forum tried to make him retire, go elsewhere, signed and traded or whatever. And right now all of you are acting like he is the traitor. I absolutely hate what he did, but i cannot blame, people have been treating him like crap for at least the past year.

It's not just that he wasn't number 1, he was simply forgotten. He was the Chris Bosh of the Miami Heat, everyone knew he was useful for something, but until he went down with an injury nobody really appreciated him. If he came back, you would probably all start posts about how pierce and allen are too slow and old, and we need to get rid of them.
So, I say this: ENOUGH! Enough with the feeling sorry, if we couldn't appreciate him while he had him we sure as hell will when he is in South Beach.

Amen to that. I'm sorry, but I don't care how green-tinted your glasses are: backing up DWade is a LOT different than backing up Avery Bradley, and anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Let's be honest and admit that the only way anyone would have been happy here is if Ray took a cut-rate deal to come back. If he had gotten that alleged 3 year / $27 million deal -- and, by the way,  I don't fully believe that Ainge was ready to give him that, because who exactly was he bidding against? -- people would be complaining that he was being paid too much and he was tying up our cap and that it made him disloyal or a bad Celtic. I mean, would it really have made you all feel better if he had taken, say, a 3 or 4 year deal worth $20-30 million from a team that could have afforded it instead of the Heat? I mean, would you really feel all that less betrayed if he signed with the Bulls (as many people wanted to trade him to) or the Knicks or the Sixers or any other team in the Eastern Conference? How about if the Thunder had picked him up? No matter where he went, you'd be viewing it as an attack on the Celtics' chances to win a title.

Also, people trying to compare his role on the Heat to what his role would be on the Celtics are being absolutely ridiculous, because it's not as simple as you're making it seem. Even if we set aside the potential Rondo-Ray feud, let's be frank here and acknowledge that a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the career 3-point leader had his starting role taken away from him by a 21 year old second-year player who can D up with the best of them but, let's face it, can't shoot the ball. And the fans who cheered for him and loved him so all collectively shrugged when the team did it and he had to come off the bench. And you CAN NOT sit here and bash Ray for "disloyalty" and then in the same breath say that move wasn't somehow the same thing. If Rondo or Pierce or KG had demanded Allen keep starting, we all know he would have. But not one of his teammates one came out and called it a sham or a mockery. And, look, that's fine, because they wanted to win, and Bradley gave them a better chance to do that when starting. But imagine if you got demoted and replaced by a guy who did maybe one aspect of the job better than you but the rest worse. How would you feel if you found another job, a fresh start -- even if you had to start it at your demoted position -- and your coworkers and the people who bought your product called you "disloyal"?

I don't care how hurt or jilted you feel; you need to grasp to people sometimes need fresh starts. Not for the money, not for the job title, but for having a fresh environment to work in. The environment for Ray was toxic enough that ANYWHERE would have been better than here, and I respect him for it, because I can't say I'd have stayed around either if I had a collective fan base tell me I no longer had enough talent to start at the position I had arguably been one of the best at since 1995. So, no, I won't boo him when he comes to town. I won't cheer him when his points are scored, but I won't treat him like trash. I didn't boo Nomar when he was on the Cubs or Dodgers. I didn't boo Walker when he was on the Hawks or Mavericks. I didn't boo Bourque when he won the Cup with the Avalanche. And I won't boo Ray.

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« Reply #114 on: July 15, 2012, 11:54:11 PM »

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He signed on what, the 11th, a wednesday?

Since you're speculating, let me speculate on the following completely hypothetical conversation:

Ray: you think we should do something for the fans, to know they're appreciated?
Agent: like what?
Ray: I dunno, an announcement in the paper or something?
Agent: I guess, if you want. But do it on Sunday. Nobody reads papers on Wednesday.
Ray: Yah, that'll work. Let them know I really appreciated their support, but had to move on.

Yeah, do people really think it came out on Sunday for any reason other than Sunday papers being by far the most widely read?  Buying an ad in the paper is semi-common practice for star veterans leaving town, and Sunday is the time to reach the biggest audience (most expensive ads, too).

As for "damage control", exactly how much money is Ray hoping to make from Celtics fans or the city of Boston next year?  Doesn't make sense.

I'm sorry the guy left, but I'm not willing to turn him into some villain who can never have a positive motive again.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2012, 12:04:43 AM »

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Some will think the message sincere, others will not. However, as I said, I have been in the PR business for more than 30 years, and I know a damage control campaign when I see it.

Even if it was in response to the blowback from his decision, still don't see a real reason why it's not sincere.

Indeed, you're making an assumption that Ray had a direct hand in the ad. Although I haven't been in the biz as long as Vinnie, I've been working in PR long enough to say it wouldn't shock me if he had no idea this ad was even being placed.
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« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2012, 12:08:42 AM »

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Some will think the message sincere, others will not. However, as I said, I have been in the PR business for more than 30 years, and I know a damage control campaign when I see it.

Even if it was in response to the blowback from his decision, still don't see a real reason why it's not sincere.

Indeed, you're making an assumption that Ray had a direct hand in the ad. Although I haven't been in the biz as long as Vinnie, I've been working in PR long enough to say it wouldn't shock me if he had no idea this ad was even being placed.

That's within the realm of possibility for sure, but I don't see why it makes the message insincere (because Ray has said the same thing in person in multiple instances). Also, there is no way it can be proven one way or another, and if it's the speculation you want to take as truth, it's hardly Ray's fault, and he shouldn't shoulder the blame.

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« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2012, 12:16:35 AM »

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I can't blame Ray for leaving, although I hate it.  I appreciate what he did here.  Sure, the ad is PR, but whatever, it's more than some players do.

this sums up my thoughts exactly... Miami is younger, and has a better chance of winning a championship over the next two years. iF i was ray i would have done the same thing. Plus Terry as a replacement is huge. Ray was good. People forget how good Terry is, especially at the 6th man role. plus he is 3 years younger. 4th all time in three pointers made, and very clutch in the 4th quarter at the end of games. Ray will be missed, but he has made his decision. Time to move forward.

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« Reply #118 on: July 16, 2012, 12:23:47 AM »

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As for "damage control", exactly how much money is Ray hoping to make from Celtics fans or the city of Boston next year?  Doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense.

The image that Ray Allen portays is that of the classy, consummate professional. That's the reputation he and his PR team have meticulously crafted over the years. The idea - whether its true or not - that he left Boston due to ego related issues, its not good for said image.
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« Reply #119 on: July 16, 2012, 12:27:10 AM »

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.. really wanna be better without him