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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2012, 04:17:56 PM »

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Actually I feel sorry for Ray.  He made a rash decision without really thinking it through or trying to correct what he
felt was a bad situation and IMO will soon regret his decision.  Maybe he does already.   

i disagree.  i think he has known for a while he would leave boston.  however, at the time, i dont think he knew he would leave for miami (or maybe he did, who knows)
I didn't say it was a quick decision...I said rash, in that he never faced the problem directly.  (Sort of like when a husband/wife expects the spouse to be a mindreader and know there is unhappiness, without saying anything.)  He has probably allowed this to fester for a while instead of confronting it.  He even said that he had not been  vocal enough...
Incidentally, Ray had been my favorite Celtic, but I believe his leaving has the Celtics stronger in some ways...forcing the infusion of younger players to compliment PP, KG and Rondo.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2012, 04:36:34 PM »

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The 'jilted lovers' thing is an okay analogy, as sports provoke really strong passions, like politics and religion, but in the end, I think war analogies work best for sports (which is why they are so frequently used, by both fans and players).

People are p---ed off because it's as though one of your soldiers, who you regarded as as brother, as family (another common sports analogy) with whom you've been to battle, fought tooth and nail with, experienced the incredible highs and lows with, suddenly, while the war is still raging, decides screw you guys; I'm going to switch sides to our mortal enemies and try to take you out, and oh by the way, for half the money.  The analogy works because it feels most like treason (although jilted lover works if you like that better).  In either case, it feels like an enormous betrayal of trust.  But it's not a bad or irrational thing to think that way.  We are indeed passionate about our team.  I think it's an entirely normal response.  Weird to me, from a fan's perspective, is the bloodless, measured, milquetoast response to Ray's defection approach.

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If DA traded him to Mia I doubt people would react like this, and if you as a soldier have already been told by your superiors that you're leaving your brothers in arms to join some other side, the talk about brotherhood, family etc. would mean very little to you.

My take on all of this is that it is ok to be p---ed if you would be p---ed if Ray was traded to memphis too, if not cause "it is just buisness" than it is hypocritical to feel betrayed now when your soldier decides he will use his buisness side of equation and choose him next destination.

I know I m oversimplifying it a lot since his destination is cHeat, but I ask all of you calling him Judas would you be calling Danny Judas if he traded him to Mia for lets say N. Cole and 1st rounder?

If the answer is no than there is something wrong in your calculations:)
The thing about sports is that a lot of what we fans think and talk about is not coolly rational.  What makes being a fan fun is the attachment we have with our team, and the emotional charge that comes with it.  Speaking for myself, I approach it with a 'What is best for the Celtics?' point of view.  The players, naturally, have more of a what's in my own (and my family's) best interest.  And the two don't always coincide (or the Celtics would have all the best players in the league ;^) .  So, if Danny traded a player, my rationale for judging Danny would be 'Did what Danny did benefit the Celtics?', and not, 'Is what Danny did best for the player?'.  My standard for a player is similarly, 'Is what the player did of benefit to the Celtics?'  I'm a fan.  I have that luxury.  So, if it's good for my team, that's what I want.  

Now, Ray can go anywhere he chooses to, and one would understand that if the money and playing opportunity were vastly superior elsewhere that it'd be a perfectly rational decision for him to do so.  Clearly, Ray had been repeatedly dangled as trade bait.  None of us would like that if we were in his shoes (and yet, it's part of Danny's job to explore every opportunity to improve the team, so I don't blame him for doing so.)  It's clear that Ray had his reasons for leaving, and among those reasons, it seems to me, is revenge.  There were others, of course, like great winter weather, a better chance for a championship, and probably others.  But at the end of the day, I think his overriding reason for leaving was revenge for what he perceived as slights.  If the Celtics offered him twice the salary AND a no trade clause, his biggest organizational problems were then already addressed.  Don't dismiss the bunker mentality that teams have; the us against the world mindset, and particulary the us against our enemy the Heat that we would have had.  To use the war analogy again, we are trying to kill them (kill their season at least), and they're trying to kill ours.  The brotherhood and brother in arms aspect was in the locker room and does not nearly as much extend to the front office, so once you excluded the troubling aspects of the front office by being offered double the salary and the no trade clause, the the FO is out of the equation except if you wish to exact revenge on them, and that appears to have been Ray's greatest consideration (among the several).

So, bottom line, he chose to take half the money to go to our enemy even after being offered a no trade clause.  Entirely his prerogative to do so, just as it's mine to regard him as a traitor for doing it.  Ray's overriding goal and mine are not the same.  I want what's best for the Celtics, and Ray wants what's best for Ray.  I'm okay with that.  And I hope he fails there.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2012, 05:03:22 PM »

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http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/20866/kevin-youkilis-letter-to-red-sox-nation

Youk did his letter to fans the right way.  Youk's was genuine, heartfelt and honest.

Ray's was a PR move.  Even though I truly believe he's the consummate professional and he enjoyed his time in Boston, his letter doesn't come across as genuine or sincere.  Because Ray "chose" to leave his message comes across as a bit of a backhanded thank you.

Too bad, because I always liked him on our team.  Now it's impossible to ever root for him, and he's ruined any shot of going down as an all-time Celtic.  Now, he's a wandering veteran on his fourth team.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2012, 05:33:34 PM »

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Why be bitter, why Boo?
Show some class.
He made his decision and we will be able to have a more dynamic offense and better defense as a result.
I can't tell you how many times I have been surprised at the lack of respect shown by posters for what Ray brought to the Celtics. People asking for him to be traded all the time.
Now you want to boo him because he made an unfortunate decision.
Does not make any sense.

Nobody likes it, but that does not mean you have to boo the guy.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2012, 06:09:28 PM »

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this is a classic damage control move

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #95 on: July 15, 2012, 09:02:49 PM »

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WHO cares????

Lebron **** bag, did the same in Cleveland newspaper after he made his "decision".

Allen is a slimy snake.

Agree completely on the last two paragraphs.

Also, LeBron probably gave him the advice to do it, given that he is one of his new confidantes and how well LeBroid's thing went over so well with the Cleveland crowd.

Maybe LeBroid's PR braintrust (is that an oxymoron)is giving Allen advice now. Hope so!!

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #96 on: July 15, 2012, 09:05:09 PM »

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Ray who?

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #97 on: July 15, 2012, 09:20:24 PM »

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I finally registered for this forum after reading all the Ray bashing, after lurking for many years. For the most part I love this blog & check it every week. But, some of you guys remind me a lot of bandwagon guys. You're going to boo a guy that gave his all & helped us win a championship? A guy that hit clutch shot after clutch shot. Was great in our community and didn't worry about the PR attention. A guy that ran around w/ bone spurs in his ankle (I've had the same ailment & I don't know how Ray managed) & was primarily the reason why his numbers dropped off. Do you guys remember when Ray was probably our best player in the beginning of the year, when he was HEALTHY. I like most of us am disappointed Ray left; really, really, really disappointed. But, as a man Ray made his decision, we don't have to agree. But, let's realize this, if Danny had had his way Ray would have been gone at the trade deadline. Why so much belly aching? I'm a season ticket holder & I remember when Tony Allen was the best player we were putting on the floor & most Celtics fans who now love Doc were calling for him to get fired. Stop being bandwagon guys. I for one will be at the Garden & I will cheer Ray on his return & then hope we kick him & Miami's ass on the court. Btw the article was a classy gesture by Ray, because he is a classy man.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2012, 10:11:36 PM »

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Good riddance.   Once your gone I don't root for you....

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #99 on: July 15, 2012, 10:14:24 PM »

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Great advice from his agent/PR professionals and a beautiful CYA move. Nothing to see here and I am moving on.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #100 on: July 15, 2012, 10:20:05 PM »

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I finally registered for this forum after reading all the Ray bashing, after lurking for many years. For the most part I love this blog & check it every week. But, some of you guys remind me a lot of bandwagon guys. You're going to boo a guy that gave his all & helped us win a championship? A guy that hit clutch shot after clutch shot. Was great in our community and didn't worry about the PR attention. A guy that ran around w/ bone spurs in his ankle (I've had the same ailment & I don't know how Ray managed) & was primarily the reason why his numbers dropped off. Do you guys remember when Ray was probably our best player in the beginning of the year, when he was HEALTHY. I like most of us am disappointed Ray left; really, really, really disappointed. But, as a man Ray made his decision, we don't have to agree. But, let's realize this, if Danny had had his way Ray would have been gone at the trade deadline. Why so much belly aching? I'm a season ticket holder & I remember when Tony Allen was the best player we were putting on the floor & most Celtics fans who now love Doc were calling for him to get fired. Stop being bandwagon guys. I for one will be at the Garden & I will cheer Ray on his return & then hope we kick him & Miami's ass on the court. Btw the article was a classy gesture by Ray, because he is a classy man.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #101 on: July 15, 2012, 10:26:25 PM »

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I finally registered for this forum after reading all the Ray bashing, after lurking for many years. For the most part I love this blog & check it every week. But, some of you guys remind me a lot of bandwagon guys. You're going to boo a guy that gave his all & helped us win a championship? A guy that hit clutch shot after clutch shot. Was great in our community and didn't worry about the PR attention. A guy that ran around w/ bone spurs in his ankle (I've had the same ailment & I don't know how Ray managed) & was primarily the reason why his numbers dropped off. Do you guys remember when Ray was probably our best player in the beginning of the year, when he was HEALTHY. I like most of us am disappointed Ray left; really, really, really disappointed. But, as a man Ray made his decision, we don't have to agree. But, let's realize this, if Danny had had his way Ray would have been gone at the trade deadline. Why so much belly aching? I'm a season ticket holder & I remember when Tony Allen was the best player we were putting on the floor & most Celtics fans who now love Doc were calling for him to get fired. Stop being bandwagon guys. I for one will be at the Garden & I will cheer Ray on his return & then hope we kick him & Miami's ass on the court. Btw the article was a classy gesture by Ray, because he is a classy man.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #102 on: July 15, 2012, 10:26:42 PM »

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I am laughing very hard to myself at this ad from Ray being defined as "classy." If it was classy it would have been in the Globe on July 11, the day Ray's signing by the Heat was announced. It might have seemed genuine. I have been in the PR/marketing industry for 30 years, and this ad is 100 percent a damage control move by Ray's team to try and save his image and legacy in Boston. He simply cannot stand the fact that he might not be loved by the Boston fans and he and his team mistakenly think he can win back this love with the empty, full-page, piece of nothing.

Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #103 on: July 15, 2012, 10:32:44 PM »

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Why be bitter, why Boo?
Show some class.
He made his decision and we will be able to have a more dynamic offense and better defense as a result.
I can't tell you how many times I have been surprised at the lack of respect shown by posters for what Ray brought to the Celtics. People asking for him to be traded all the time.
Now you want to boo him because he made an unfortunate decision.
Does not make any sense.

Nobody likes it, but that does not mean you have to boo the guy.

Why boo him? Let's see.

If he went to Miami without spewing and whining about his sour grapes for Danny doing his job, being upset about being benched and all that it would be probably fine.

But he didn't. It's not like the Celtics let him leave or threw him out the bus. Danny offered more money, was recruited by KG to keep the band together and was offered a no trade clause to make up for what happened last season. And yet, not only he joined Miami, he joined for way less money and less playing time, basically sticking it to Danny, all while spilling his sour grapes in public. Add to it that he said for him to stay he asked for way too much money from Boston, essentially killing our other signings. He made it personal.

I respect him as a person and thank him for what he's done, and many fans here maybe feel the same way. But basketball wise, he showed no class in leaving, he does not deserve class in return. If he just left and went with Miami right away, no problem. But being a diva and moving to the rival team, sorry Ray, it don't work that way.

That's why you boo him.
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Re: Ray Allen's message in the Boston Globe
« Reply #104 on: July 15, 2012, 10:34:21 PM »

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Bandwagon isn't thE right word, and it isnt one we throw around lightly.That's not a guideline, it's a blog rule.

I think it's...what's the word for overly and unnessecarily emotional? Can't remember.

But that's what it seems like to me. The celtics did what they thought was best with the asset they had, and took a risk he wouldn't be cool with it. He wasn't cool with it and went somewhere else.

It's not a slap in the face to fans, but that seems like its how some are taking it. FWF had it right. It's possible, even likely that Ray loves the fans here, and cherished his time here, but just felt it was time to move on. Don't see a logical argument that his message was anything but sincere, and don't see the point in being mad about it. I'm disappointed he's not coming back, but I don't see the point in making it out as a personal slight against us as fans.

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