Penn State to get hammered by NCAA on Monday?

[Fafnir]

I don't think grade school tactics of using peer pressure to enforce discipline and group conformity are a good way to deal with a major state university violating a ton of laws.

Sandusky wouldn't have been detterred from being a pedophille if he "knew" his employer could also be punished. To think so reveals a shocking lack of how twisted men like him are. He doesn't think he's done anything wrong and will lie, cheat, and manipulate anyone/everyone to get what he "needs".

[Eja117]

I don't think grade school tactics of using peer pressure to enforce discipline and group conformity are a good way to deal with a major state university violating a ton of laws.

Sandusky wouldn't have been detterred from being a pedophille if he "knew" his employer could also be punished. To think so reveals a shocking lack of how twisted men like him are. He doesn't think he's done anything wrong and will lie, cheat, and manipulate anyone/everyone to get what he "needs".

people might have been a lot faster to report him if they knew they were going to destroy the school.

[SCBirdman]

I am for hammering the school.   I think they ought to have to educate every victim's family for free for eternity and pay cash for anguish etc.
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I hope the Big 10 kicks them out. They deserve more than SMU got. This is totally despicable!!!!

[Moranis]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8181175/report-big-ten-give-commissioner-jim-delany-power-fire-coaches-athletics-officials

Interesting

[Moranis]

Looks like the NCAA is going to bring the hammer Monday.  No death penalty, but penalties so severe that the death penalty may have been preferable.  I will be very interested to see what they deem the Penn State football program did that violated a NCAA rule.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

[hardlyyardley]

Several years ago I saw Paterno run it up against either Temple or Rutgers and then argue with the other coach over it during the post-game handshake.....extremely arrogant individual...have rooted against Penn St since

He outstayed his time by at least 10-15 years

[Rondo2287]

Several years ago I saw Paterno run it up against either Temple or Rutgers and then argue with the other coach over it during the post-game handshake.....extremely arrogant individual...have rooted against Penn St since

He outstayed his time by at least 10-15 years

 College football rankings can be influenced by destroying a team, there is nothing wrong with running it up in college.  Joe pa has done some crappy things but you can't blame him for stuff like this.

[Rondo2287]

If they are allowed to play football next year it will be a total sham

[CoachBo]

No.



Those responsible for this are taking the fall already in the court of law. 



This is going after the new coaches, the players and the rest of the school that was not involved.



This is not an NCAA issue. 


This is a legal issue and the legal system is taking care of it. 

The school gave a child rapist access to the Penn State Football program so he could continue to rape children.

I mean they may as well have bought him an ice cream truck

Those who knew and did nothing are facing the legal system. 

The entire culture was so warped that the school valued the reputation of the football program over the lives of children. 

This is 100% the definition of lack of institutional control and the NCAA needs to act.

Welcome to big time football in a small town.    




It is not about killing a program and school now.  It is about coming up with a better power structure in these schools.

Which is precisely where the silly mob mentality surrounding this issue goes totally and thoughtlessly off base.

Penn State is the worst case scenario, I suspect, for a common culture - winning college football coaches as wildly overpaid demigods with total control over their programs and in many cases, their universities. I guarantee you that Joe Paterno is NOT the only college football coach essentially running a D-1 university. It could have happened anywhere.

The answer to this situation is not some intellectually-bereft revenge; it is to use the Penn State situation to forcibly craft a more efficient, more proportional management structure. College football has gotten too big; hopefully the NCAA and Mark Emmert will make that clear tomorrow with a series of penalties that severely punishes but keeps in place the program and forces it to reorganize and work through the sanctions.

This remains America - although it's progressively harder to tell - and we are a redemptive society that penalizes the guilty and provides second chances. The calls to shut down the school's athletics and football team in NO way are what America is about. Let the courts handle it, and let the NCAA handle it.

[WeMadeIt17]

I think they deserve to get hammered. I hope they do as well.

[Amonkey]

Somebody mentioned already and I agree with the person. The PEOPLE who are responsible for covering, hiding, lying are responsible for this issue. I think there's a separation between the people reponsible and the actual program. The people might be protecting the program, therefore the PEOPLE should be punished. I think it speaks much louder that if you are protecting the program, then you can get serious jeopardy.

If you punish the program, then people can just say that as long as they can get away with it, then it'll be okay and if you get caught, then the program gets punished, they get all the bad publicity and the ones responsible might just get a slap on the wrist and have to find another line of work. However, if the people responsible for all the hiding, cheating, deceiving can get legitimate jail time, then it becomes much more personal and the person will think twice about trying to get away with something or not.

[sadleprechaun]

1) When a guilty person is punished, there are usually innocent people who suffer as a result.  For example, if a man is sent to prison for tax evasion, his wife and kids lose him, and their lives may get tougher.

2) Why not let Penn State's football program continue, but force them to donate ALL proceeds for the next 5 years to organizations that fight child/sexual abuse?  If the football program is shut down, you're effectively cutting off a big potential source of funds for organizations who can try to solve this problem.  Can anyone explain to me why this approach wouldn't be best?

[Finkelskyhook]

If they are allowed to play football next year it will be a total sham

Why?  Anybody even remotely involved in this has been removed.  Why penalize the players?  New coaches? Students? etc...By eliminating the program?  How does that make anything better?  Or send a message?

In completely cleaning house...(Don't underestimate the symbolism of the statue removal in all this) Particularly against the will of the most affluent of the alumni..The university has gutted the program to the point that it will take years to rebuild without sanctions.  In doing what they've done already, they've removed themselves completely from the Penn State football traditions and the program itself.  Recruiting will be devastated based just on that.  Add the circumstances that none of the people currently there had any involvement with...It'll take an amazing coaching staff to recruit even remotely competitively in one of the most competitive conferences in the NCAA.

In some ways, what they've already done themselves may be worst than the death penalty.  But it was the only thing they could do to try to start anew.

  

[Eja117]

If they are allowed to play football next year it will be a total sham

Why?  Anybody even remotely involved in this has been removed.  Why penalize the players?  New coaches? Students? etc...By eliminating the program?  How does that make anything better?  Or send a message?
  

Because otherwise there's very little incentive for schools to follow rules and police themselves. Why punish schools or try to encourage them to control their teams if they can just turn around and be like "Oh those people aren't here any more"?

That's why USC got punished even though Pete Carrol and Reggie Bush had already jumped ship.

That's why it would be nice if schools would put following rules into coaches contracts. It's harder to control the students and keep away agents because kids want to get paid what they're worth, which is something it would be nice to recognize and address.

[Rondo2287]

If they are allowed to play football next year it will be a total sham

Why?  Anybody even remotely involved in this has been removed.  Why penalize the players?  New coaches? Students? etc...By eliminating the program?  How does that make anything better?  Or send a message?

In completely cleaning house...(Don't underestimate the symbolism of the statue removal in all this) Particularly against the will of the most affluent of the alumni..The university has gutted the program to the point that it will take years to rebuild without sanctions.  In doing what they've done already, they've removed themselves completely from the Penn State football traditions and the program itself.  Recruiting will be devastated based just on that.  Add the circumstances that none of the people currently there had any involvement with...It'll take an amazing coaching staff to recruit even remotely competitively in one of the most competitive conferences in the NCAA.

In some ways, what they've already done themselves may be worst than the death penalty.  But it was the only thing they could do to try to start anew.

 

Because what was best for the football program took co plate control over what was morally or legally right.  They need to have no football for a year to get their priorities in order