The Bradley 20-8 Run was overrated

[GreenFaith1819]

Next game, game 10 vs SAC. BOS gets crushed on the road 120-97. Ray Allen has 26 pts and KG has 10 and 9. Bass has 16. AB has 5 pts in 15 min.
 http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320316023

BOS is now 7-3 since All-Star break.

Next game, game 11, vs DEN. BOS loses 98-91 to go to 7-4 since All-Star break. Pierce, KG and Rondo have good games and AB has 8 pts in 15 min.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320317007

Game 12 since All-Star break. BOS wins 79-76 in ATL. I remember this game vividly, because Ray Allen basically shoots ATL out of the game. He finished with 19 pts. KG and Bass play well. Rondo doesn’t shoot particularly well, but does contribute 10 pts, 13 assists and 6 stls. Stiemer goes for 4 blocks. AB has 0 pts in 10 min.

BOS is now 8-4 since All-Star break.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320319001

Game 13 since All-Star break. C’s beat MIL 100-91 to go to 9-4 since All-Star break. Pierce has huge game, KG has 16 pts, 10 rebs, 6 assists and 3 blocks, Ray doesn’t shoot well, going 1-8. AB has 4 pts and 3 rebs in 17 min. Stiem has 6 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists, 5 blocks and 4 stls.

BOS is now 25-21, 9-4 since ASB.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320322015


Game 14 since All-Star break, vs PHI in PHI. We lose 99-86. This is the game where Peaches starts (Ray Allen is hurt?) and Pietrus falls on his back. Pierce, Bass, KG and Rondo play well in losing effort. AB has a 3 ptr in 14 min off the bench.
BOS is 25-22, 9-5 since ASB.

 http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320323020

[GreenFaith1819]

Game 15 since ASB, vs WAS. BOS wins 88-76 to go to 10-5 since ASB, 26-22 overall. AB starts and has his career night of 23 pts in 40 min, going 9-14 FG. Pierce has 21 pts, Bass has 11, Stiem has 10 pts and 7 rebs off the bench. Ray has a DNP – sore ankle.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320325002

Game 16 since ASB, vs CHA. BOS wins 102-95 on the road, with Pierce, KG and Bass combining for 75 pts. Rondo has 7 pts and 13 assists. AB has 11 pts, 4 rebs, 1 block in 40 min of starting.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320326030

Game 17 since ASB, vs Utah in BOS. We win 94-82 to go to 12-5 since ASB, 28-22 overall. Frontline combines for 62 pts and 20 rebs. AB goes 3-10 with 9 pts, 4 rebs and 2 assists in 43 min.
Of note – over last 3 games, opponents do NOT shoot particularly well since Ray’s move.

 http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320328002

Game 18 since ASB, in Minny. BOS wins 100-79, with KG going for 24 pts, 10 rebs, and 4 assists vs his old team. AB has another good game, with 17 pts on 6-9 shooting in another start. Rondo has 17 assists. Martell Webster is 2-7 FG vs AB and BOS.

BOS is now 13-5 since ASB, 29-22 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320330016

Game 19 since ASB, BOS crushes MIA in BOS 91-72. AB and Rondo combine for 29 pts, with AB getting 13 pts on 5-10 shooting. MIA starting backcourt goes 7-22 FG%, with Wade going 6-17. I think this was the game where AB sits Wade on his behind with “The Block.” LeBron seems to be the only MIA player to play well, with 23 pts on 11-20 shooting.

I remember this game being looked at as a “Fluke” game, since it was April Fools day.

In any event, BOS is now 30-22 overall, 14-5 since ASB.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320401002

Game 20 since ASB – vs Spurs. BOS loses a heartbreaker 87-86. Ray Allen returns, going 2-6 in 35 min. AB comes off bench for 19 pts on 6-9 FG% in 34 min.
BOS falls to 30-23 overall, 14-6 since ASB.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320404002

Game 21 since ASB, vs CHI in CHI. We lose to the Rose-Less Bulls 93-86. Rondo has 10 pts, 12 dimes. Bass plays well with 15 pts, 5 rebs, 3 dimes in 34 min. Pierce goes for 22 pts on 8-21 FG%. AB goes for 9 pts on 4-8 shooting. Ray Allen, off the bench, goes for 14 pts on 5-10 shooting.

CHI backcourt combines for 9-27FG%.

BOS is now 30-24 overall, 14-7 since ASB. Have lost 2 straight.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320405004

[GreenFaith1819]

Game 22 since ASB, in Indy. BOS gets a big win vs a playoff-bound team 86-72. Pierce has a great game with 24 pts on 8-16 shooting. AB goes 2-7 FG% with 5 rebs, 3 assists, 2 stls, 5 TO in 30 min. Ray Allen goes for 19 pts on 7-18 shooting, 6 rebs, 4 dimes, 2 stls off the bench. Stiem, in 27 min, goes for 10 pts on 4-4 shooting, 9 rebs, 5 blocks, 1 dime, 1 stl.

Opposing starting backcourt: 5-19 FG%
 
BOS is now 31-24 overall, 15-7 since ASB.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320407011

Game 23 since ASB, BOS crushes PHI in BOS 103-79. AB goes for 18 pts on 6-12 FG%, 4 rebs, 5 dimes, 0 TO in 35 min. Opposing starting backcourt is once again held below 50%. Ray Allen has 10 pts on 4-9 shooting off the bench. Our frontline combines for 55 pts.

BOS is now 16-7 since ASB, 32-24 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320408002

Game 24 since ASB, vs MIA in MIA. BOS wins 115-107. BOS frontline combines for 63 pts and 26 rebs, Rondo goes for 18 pts, 15 dimes and 4 assists. AB goes for 11 pts on 5-8 FG% in 25 min. Ray comes off bench for 9 pts on 3-7 shooting in 35 min. Chalmers/Wade combines for 30 pts on 50% shooting.
BOS is now 17-7 since ASB, 33-24 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320410014


Game 25 since ASB, vs ATL in BOS. BOS wins 88-86, with frontline combining for 57 pts and 27 rebs. Rondo has a triple double with 10 pts, 10 rebs, and 18 assists, but goes 3-16 FG%. AB has 7 pts on 3-7FG% in 31 min. Ray is not listed in the lineup.

BOS is now 18-7 since ASB, 34-24 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320411002

Game 26 since ASB, BOS loses in TOR 84-79. AB is only starter to play well with 15 pts on 7-14 FG%, 6 rebs and 2 dimes in 37 min. Ray is again not listed in lineup.

BOS is now 18-8 since ASB, 34-25 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320413028

Game 27 since ASB, vs NJ. BOS wins on the road 94-82. BOS frontline combines for 56 pts, 28 rebs, 5 blks. AB has 18 pts on 7-14 FG%, 4 rebs, 2 dimes in 38 min. Rondo has 15 dimes.
BOS is now 19-8 since ASB, 35-25 overall.

 http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320414017

Game 28 since ASB, vs Bobcats in CHA. BOS wins 94-82, with Rondo and AB combining for 42 pts. (AB has 22 pts on 9-14 shooting. Rondo has 16 dimes and 6 rebs. Another game with Ray out due to injury. Paul and KG do NOT play due to rest. Bass goes for 22 pts and 9 rebs.

BOS is now 20-8 since ASB, 36-25 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320415030

[GreenFaith1819]

Game 29 since ASB, vs NY. Melo goes for a triple double in NY’s win over BOS 118-110. AB plays well, with 17 pts on 6-9 FG%, Pierce goes for 43 in a losing effort. Entire starting lineup plays well, but this game featured Novak and JR Smith combining for 50 pts in a crazy game where NY couldn’t seemingly miss.

BOS is now 20-9 since ASB, 36-26 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320417018

Game 30 since ASB, vs ORL in BOS. We pull out a 102-98 victory. Paul goes for 29 pts and 14 assists. AB has 23 pts. Rondo gets a DNP due to sore lower back. Glen Davis almost beats BOS by himself with 26 pts on 12-16 shooting and 7 rebs. Jameer and JJ Redick combine for 9-25 FG%. Bass has 21 pts and 2
BOS is now 21-9 since ASB, 37-26 overall.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320418002

Game 31 since ASB, vs ATL.  BOS loses 97-92 in ATL, but AB goes for 28 pts on 12-22 shooting. KG, Paul and Rondo do not play.
BOS is now 21-10 since ASB, 37-27 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320420001

Game 32 since ASB, vs MIA in BOS. BOS wins 78-66 in a game where BOS rests some of its starters and MIA follows suit. Sasha plays well in start with 16 pts on 7-10 shooting.
BOS is now 22-10 since ASB, 38-27 overall.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320424002

Game 33 since ASB, vs MIL. BOS wins final game of regular season. AB leads BOS starters with 14 pts. Bench sees a ton of PT.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320426002

BOS finishes its Post ASB run at 24-10, 39-27 overall.

[GreenFaith1819]

I just can't see any one thing pointing to BOS's run....nothing really stands out for me.

AB played well. He has a strong future ahead of him. I see no reason why he won't be another Joe Dumars, IMO.

But we had so many other contributions from other players, too.

Instead of this 20-8 AB Run, which I've seen here on the blog, I'd label it as "BOS's Post ASB Run."

[Roper]

RONDO! PIERCE! GARNETT! THE REAL BIG 3!!!! allen is a part of the little 12

[ayer]

RONDO! PIERCE! GARNETT! THE REAL BIG 3!!!! allen is a part of the little 12

I cant agree with this...

[KGs Knee]

Wow!  Tha is some serious effort you out in GreenFaith.

I won't lie, I stopped reading after the 1st few posts.  But that is impressive.

You gonna be getting a bunch of TPs from this fella.

[GreenFaith1819]

Wow!  Tha is some serious effort you out in GreenFaith.

I won't lie, I stopped reading after the 1st few posts.  But that is impressive.

You gonna be getting a bunch of TPs from this fella.

Just seeking truth.

Even I thought that AB was a main cog in our run towards the playoffs - until I started searching a bit.

The interesting thing with stats is that they can be portrayed, slanted - etc - to either prove a point of view or disprove another.

People, myself included, sometimes cheery-pick stats. I used to post youtube clips here all the time to prove that a player could do this or that - until I started reading basketball-reference.com, synergysports.com, etc.

I've learned that clips are nice, but don't always tell the whole story.

There are just TOO many other factors involved to say that AB made as great an impact on the team as been stated here on the blog.

I'm sure that my entire post won't be read by all.

But it's there - whether we accept the data or not.

And I am a Celtics fan - not just Ray.

Anyone who may not believe it, just look over some of my 8000+ posts.

[ianboyextreme]

Wow!  Tha is some serious effort you out in GreenFaith.

I won't lie, I stopped reading after the 1st few posts.  But that is impressive.

You gonna be getting a bunch of TPs from this fella.

Just seeking truth.

Even I thought that AB was a main cog in our run towards the playoffs - until I started searching a bit.

The interesting thing with stats is that they can be portrayed, slanted - etc - to either prove a point of view or disprove another.

People, myself included, sometimes cheery-pick stats. I used to post youtube clips here all the time to prove that a player could do this or that - until I started reading basketball-reference.com, synergysports.com, etc.

I've learned that clips are nice, but don't always tell the whole story.

There are just TOO many other factors involved to say that AB made as great an impact on the team as been stated here on the blog.

I'm sure that my entire post won't be read by all.

But it's there - whether we accept the data or not.

And I am a Celtics fan - not just Ray.

Anyone who may not believe it, just look over some of my 8000+ posts.

You are using the first game after the all star game as a reference point as the game where Avery started contributing a lot. It wasnt until a game in Washington, though, where Avery got his first start at SG and scored 23 points sparking a 19 game stretch where he averaged 15 ppg to close the season. That was where we really hit our stride and when Avery began to start at the 2.

[st.jimmy222]

This was per John Hollinger (pretty respected EXPERT on NBA stats):

The Celtics outscored opponents by about 15 points per 100 possessions when Bradley played. When the 19th pick in the 2010 draft sat, Boston was outscored by more than four points, for a nearly twenty-point swing. When a shoulder injury forced Bradley to the bench ten games into the playoffs, Boston lost a ton.

Waiting on a response, ever so patiently, from all you Ray Allen worshippers:-)))

Smitty77

Too many factors for me to even care about. Who did they beat? Did they blowout teams...i mean its a silly stat.

In the playoffs, Ray Allen was a decent in that category, and

in the heat series better than anybody in the starting lineup in that category


does it mean anything?

"I'm just quoting facts. Why are you guys ignoring facts? "
> give him facts
"those facts are silly/don't mater/ dose it, like, mean anything, man (last part said in big lebowski voice)
smh obvious troll is obvious

[cman88]

Bradleys defense doesn't show up in the box scores...there's a reason doc decided to keep bradley in the starting lineup..they played a lot better with bradley. This is a drfensive team

there were some stats out there...really scary stats about our defense when we had Bradley/KG out there

having someone who can stop penetration from guards changes your whole defense because your bigs wont have to step out and help

offensively, He also averaged like 15ppg during that stretch until his shoulder problems popped up.

He was a big part of that run we went on.

sometimes in the NBA, younger players start to outplay the older guys...it happens.this is what happened. Doc knew that for the celtics having Bradley be the starter and ray be a 6th man was what was best for the team.

[mctyson]

Do people even look at the boxscores. Watching the game is one thing, but when you take a look at the teams they beat, the players who performed and the record. Then compare it to the beginning of the season, you will start to see the real reason why that 20-8 was overrated.

So are you saying that those wins don't count?

[mctyson]

Game 15 since ASB, vs WAS. BOS wins 88-76 to go to 10-5 since ASB, 26-22 overall. AB starts and has his career night of 23 pts in 40 min, going 9-14 FG. Pierce has 21 pts, Bass has 11, Stiem has 10 pts and 7 rebs off the bench. Ray has a DNP – sore ankle.

This is where it starts. 

They were 9-5 post ASB before this game. 

According to you summary, by the end of the season they were 23-10 post ASB.

In that short sample alone, the Celtics went 14-5 with AB starting at the SG.  That's a 74% winning percentage. 

[GreenFaith1819]

Ianboyextreme, Mctyson - you both are picking and choosing, unfortunately.

Even with the games you both chose, AB has bad games...Stiem has a few great games...KG continues his tear, etc, etc, etc....

It's just NOT about AB...Look, I absolutely LOVE the kid...but BOS's just not about one player.........

During those games that each of you pick, pls look at the OTHER players' contributions....not just AB.