What exactly is between Ray and Rondo? Have Rondo done/said anything wrong

[BballTim]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb **** he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

  Doc frequently says that Rondo has a higher BBIQ than anyone else in the league. And almost all stars in the league get into beefs with coaches and other players. Your list of players you can't build around would contain names like LeBron, Kobe, Bird, Magic, MJ, Shaq, and that's just off the top of my head.

[The MadLad]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb **** he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

Also, funny you say Danny knows he can't build a team around Rondo because that's exactly what he's doing...

hes in trade talks every year. the problem is no GMs want rondo, despite how awesome celtic fans think he is. most GMs understand that a small PG, who cant shoot and stretch the floor, with attitude problems isnt going to work on most teams.
i always hoped we could trade westbrook for rondo. i thought rondo would do better for a team like OKC with a scorer like durant to work with.

[MBunge]

ray isnt that good even when wide open though.

He shot 45.3% from three last year.  He's pretty good.  Yes, he struggled with his shot a bit after his injury and benching, but he's going to be bombing away above 40% in Miami, without a doubt.

  I wouldn't be surprised to see him take fewer threes and make more of them, he's basically going to be standng in one spot waiting for a pass as opposed to working to get open and having to rush off a shot while he's trying to square up.

Yeah, he's going to get more open looks and more spot up opportunities, and probably less shots overall.

Rondo was fantastic at getting Ray good looks due to his passing ability and vision.  Lebron and Wade will get him looks just because of their penetrating ability.

One thing I suspect Ray didn't think too hard about is that Miami's coach will change line ups and rotations at the drop of a hat.  Ray is now going to get lumped in with Miller, Jones, Battier, Chalmers and Norris and might not know whether he's starting, coming off the bench or being a DNP-Coach's Decision from game to game.

Mike

[Spicoli]

The team has never really been built around Rondo's strengths which is getting guys layups. How many layups has Ray missed over the last few years? Ray may be a great shooter but he sucks as a finisher and I am sure that gets under Rondo's skin. I play with a lot of oldtimers and they always comment about Ray's inability to make a layup. If it p---es off a group of old guys you can imagine how much that irritates Rondo.
My guess is that Rondo will continue to be less than enthused as Terry is just another gunner and the two top rookies aren't known for running the floor. If Danny and Doc don't want to give Rondo guys who will take advantage of Rondo's strengths, they should trade him as it will continue to be an unhappy lockerroom.

Rondo misses the most layups on the team by far, and probably the most layups in the NBA. Rondo has no right to insult anyone for missing layups when he is the king of missing layups.

[birdman33]

Agreed, Rondo blows easy layups way to often

[BballTim]

Rondo has a history of being short, sarcastic, and standoffish with the media.  I think a lot of the speculation about his personality and how hard he is to get along with comes from the fact that the guys writing the stories have often been spurned and felt dissed by Rondo.

I don't think that's it.  Rondo has had numerous issues with coaches and teammates, dating back to his days at Kentucky.  Doc, among others, have confirmed Rondo's stubborness and said his teammates at one point "hated" him.

Is it hard to believe that some of the most talented athletes on earth have strong, often grating personalities?  The encouraging thing is that Rondo and his teammates weren't allowing the conflict to spill over on to the floor.

I'm not buying it.  Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are both players who have had their own personality quirks questioned and scrutinized by the media and fans alike.  I think that if they were to give the honest answer today, they would probably say that they prefer to play with Rajon Rondo than Ray Allen.  I don't think that has anything to do with personality, but more with
what the respective players bring to the court and to the battle.  

Also, I don't think that Doc Rivers would ever have publicly stated that there was a time that Rajon's teammates "hated" him if he didn't think that some of that hate was starting to turn into love.  

  Doc told Rondo his teammates hated playing with him during his rookie year. He's been under a microscope for years, and people here have hashed over every transgression they've heard rumors of and blown them out of proportion. Rondo's probably not the easiest player to get along with, but all of the crap we're hearing about a "classy guy and a consummate professional" should drive home the fact that people have been making mountains out of molehills with Rondo.

[Celtics18]

Ray Allen is a Miami Heat.  I don't really care what his relationship is with Rajon Rondo.  On the other hand, I do care about the basketball relationship between Rajon Rondo, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce.  I happen to think that relationship is very strong.  That's what matters to me right now.  

[BballTim]

The team has never really been built around Rondo's strengths which is getting guys layups. How many layups has Ray missed over the last few years? Ray may be a great shooter but he sucks as a finisher and I am sure that gets under Rondo's skin. I play with a lot of oldtimers and they always comment about Ray's inability to make a layup. If it p---es off a group of old guys you can imagine how much that irritates Rondo.
My guess is that Rondo will continue to be less than enthused as Terry is just another gunner and the two top rookies aren't known for running the floor. If Danny and Doc don't want to give Rondo guys who will take advantage of Rondo's strengths, they should trade him as it will continue to be an unhappy lockerroom.

Rondo misses the most layups on the team by far, and probably the most layups in the NBA. Rondo has no right to insult anyone for missing layups when he is the king of missing layups.

  He misses the most layups because he takes the most layups on the team, I guess he's the king of made layups as well. He also makes more unassisted layups on the team, I guess you should just shorten it to king of layups on the team.

[The MadLad]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb **** he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

Your list of players you can't build around would contain names like LeBron, Kobe, Bird, Magic, MJ, Shaq, and that's just off the top of my head.

jeez. this is why i compare tebow to rondo. you really think teams couldnt build around those 6 players??? they arguably make up 6 of the 10 best players of all time. thats just crazy talk.

[BballTim]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb **** he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

Your list of players you can't build around would contain names like LeBron, Kobe, Bird, Magic, MJ, Shaq, and that's just off the top of my head.

jeez. this is why i compare tebow to rondo. you really think teams couldnt build around those 6 players??? they arguably make up 6 of the 10 best players of all time. thats just crazy talk.

  No, you're missing the point. You're asking how a player can be a leader if he doesn't get along with teammates, coaches or management. I was just listing players that had similar issues. *Clearly* you can build teams around players who aren't in the running for Miss Congeniality.

[st.jimmy222]

Rondo kept cutting him off in traffic on the way to the game.

XD thnx i needed that

[Carhole]

Why must we assume it's something wrong with Rondo?

Ray is a very methodological man with borderline OCD.

Not saying there's anything wrong with Ray but, man, Rondo gets a bad rap.

Seriously? Let me say that I think Ray's personality had plenty to do with it, but come on man.

Rondo got this exact rep at Kentucky.
He has had it since basically day 1 with the Celtics.
He got it at the tryouts for team USA where he "left" before being cut.

If in a bunch of different situations it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, well it probably is a duck.

[heitingas]

Hate how u r blaming rondo in this thread.

[Snakehead]

The team has never really been built around Rondo's strengths which is getting guys layups. How many layups has Ray missed over the last few years? Ray may be a great shooter but he sucks as a finisher and I am sure that gets under Rondo's skin. I play with a lot of oldtimers and they always comment about Ray's inability to make a layup. If it p---es off a group of old guys you can imagine how much that irritates Rondo.
My guess is that Rondo will continue to be less than enthused as Terry is just another gunner and the two top rookies aren't known for running the floor. If Danny and Doc don't want to give Rondo guys who will take advantage of Rondo's strengths, they should trade him as it will continue to be an unhappy lockerroom.

Rondo misses the most layups on the team by far, and probably the most layups in the NBA. Rondo has no right to insult anyone for missing layups when he is the king of missing layups.

  He misses the most layups because he takes the most layups on the team, I guess he's the king of made layups as well. He also makes more unassisted layups on the team, I guess you should just shorten it to king of layups on the team.

Yes this is hilarious.  Who else even gets to the rim besides Pierce?

[Freebo]

Why must we assume it's something wrong with Rondo?

Ray is a very methodological man with borderline OCD.

Not saying there's anything wrong with Ray but, man, Rondo gets a bad rap.

Seriously? Let me say that I think Ray's personality had plenty to do with it, but come on man.

Rondo got this exact rep at Kentucky.
He has had it since basically day 1 with the Celtics.
He got it at the tryouts for team USA where he "left" before being cut.

If in a bunch of different situations it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, well it probably is a duck.

he left USA team because he got a DNP, and refused to be what Ray will be for Miami. I love Ray and all, and we all just have to live with what he did. It's his decision. Plus half of you guys, wanted to trade him too. Why so many problems with this?