What exactly is between Ray and Rondo? Have Rondo done/said anything wrong

[bfrombleacher]

.....ray would rather deal with lebron than rondo

He hasn't even begun to deal with the divas. It's a bit premature for that.

i know, which is why i said "yikes", which u left out of the quote

Oh I thought you meant Ray would rather deal with LeBron than Rondo and that, "yikes", Rondo must have problems.

But yeah. Wade and LeBron James. Top 20 biggest egos of everyone on the planet. Yikes indeed.

[BballTim]

ray isnt that good even when wide open though.

He shot 45.3% from three last year.  He's pretty good.  Yes, he struggled with his shot a bit after his injury and benching, but he's going to be bombing away above 40% in Miami, without a doubt.

  I wouldn't be surprised to see him take fewer threes and make more of them, he's basically going to be standng in one spot waiting for a pass as opposed to working to get open and having to rush off a shot while he's trying to square up.

[Roy H.]

ray isnt that good even when wide open though.

He shot 45.3% from three last year.  He's pretty good.  Yes, he struggled with his shot a bit after his injury and benching, but he's going to be bombing away above 40% in Miami, without a doubt.

  I wouldn't be surprised to see him take fewer threes and make more of them, he's basically going to be standng in one spot waiting for a pass as opposed to working to get open and having to rush off a shot while he's trying to square up.

Yeah, he's going to get more open looks and more spot up opportunities, and probably less shots overall.

Rondo was fantastic at getting Ray good looks due to his passing ability and vision.  Lebron and Wade will get him looks just because of their penetrating ability.

[Celtics18]

Rondo has a history of being short, sarcastic, and standoffish with the media.  I think a lot of the speculation about his personality and how hard he is to get along with comes from the fact that the guys writing the stories have often been spurned and felt dissed by Rondo.

It's no surprise that when these same people are writing stories about why Ray Allen left Boston, that they will blame the guy who doesn't like them.  

Rondo is smart and he's also feisty.  He knows that the media is made up of a bunch of unscrupulous bloodhounds.  He'll probably never be all warm and cuddly with them, and there's a good chance that his image will continually take a hit because of this.  I don't think he cares that much about that, but it's definitely something that he'll have to contend with as he continues to enter the realm of a superstar.  

[BballTim]

ray isnt that good even when wide open though.

He shot 45.3% from three last year.  He's pretty good.  Yes, he struggled with his shot a bit after his injury and benching, but he's going to be bombing away above 40% in Miami, without a doubt.

  I wouldn't be surprised to see him take fewer threes and make more of them, he's basically going to be standng in one spot waiting for a pass as opposed to working to get open and having to rush off a shot while he's trying to square up.

Yeah, he's going to get more open looks and more spot up opportunities, and probably less shots overall.

Rondo was fantastic at getting Ray good looks due to his passing ability and vision.  Lebron and Wade will get him looks just because of their penetrating ability.

 In the end I think Miami(or possibly NY with Melo) was about the only place he'd really be effective when he left. He needs ball dominant great scorers who will pull his defender away to replace Rondo's passing.

[cman88]

read woj's article...this had alot less to do with Rondo's attitude and more to do with the fact that allen:

1. couldnt stand being told what to do on the court by a 26year old
2. couldnt stand rondo being paid as much/more than him

and honestly, if thats Ray's problem with rondo then it makes him look petty and jealous...

it also explains why he thought doc 'disrespected him" by having Bradley start over him.

and honestly It takes away from the 'consumate professional" persona he has built up..it makes ray look like he couldnt put his ego out of the way to realise:

1. avery bradley starting was what was best for the team, just like KG playing the 5(which he hated)
2. Rajon rondo is an allstar and a big part of the future of this team and currently is better than ray

[2dark]

I simply don't know... Ray was asked to make biggest sacrifice, and I think part of his diminishing skills are somewhat related to that sacrifice. He got biggest FGA minus difference form big3 and as big Seattle/Ray fan I can tell you that he simply stopped slashing the second he came to Boston in 2007, which makes me think it was game planned, and not age/skill related.

Throw in bad weather and some personality clashes together with his opinion that organisation (DA mostly) does not appriciate what he has done and you have this travesty...

Still now I have to fickin change my avatar and that p---es me off:)

[greenpride32]

C's #1 preference was to move Rondo the past few years, but there are no takers. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1086745-boston-celtics-trade-rumors-attitude-issues-make-moving-rajon-rondo-only-option

This guy was not liked at Kentucky and has been a problem in Boston. 

I don't think Rondo was the main reason Ray is leaving.  But I think it's ridiculous for people to make comments that Ray is jealous of Rondo.  When have you ever heard any negative comments about Ray in the locker room in his entire career?  When have you ever head Rondo not being a problem?  Gee I wonder who is the source of the friction.

[Lord of Mikawa]

Wojo article explains it all. Rondo has become a louder force with the Celtics...ray importance dropped.

Considering Rondo's explosion in 2010 and the fact that he would have been Finals MVP if we won that year, he deserved a louder role in that locker room.

[timpiker]

Ray's a big baby, past his prime and jealous of Rondo.  Yes Rondo could have been nicer but Ray is the big baby here. 

[BballTim]

C's #1 preference was to move Rondo the past few years, but there are no takers.  

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1086745-boston-celtics-trade-rumors-attitude-issues-make-moving-rajon-rondo-only-option

This guy was not liked at Kentucky and has been a problem in Boston.  

I don't think Rondo was the main reason Ray is leaving.  But I think it's ridiculous for people to make comments that Ray is jealous of Rondo.  When have you ever heard any negative comments about Ray in the locker room in his entire career?  When have you ever head Rondo not being a problem?  Gee I wonder who is the source of the friction.

  First of all, the bleacher report is a joke. The article starts out by stating that the Celts had no choice but to trade Rondo this spring. Secondly, if Rondo's such a tremendous source of friction, how many of our other free agents aren't considering the Celts because of him?

[Roy H.]

Rondo has a history of being short, sarcastic, and standoffish with the media.  I think a lot of the speculation about his personality and how hard he is to get along with comes from the fact that the guys writing the stories have often been spurned and felt dissed by Rondo.

I don't think that's it.  Rondo has had numerous issues with coaches and teammates, dating back to his days at Kentucky.  Doc, among others, have confirmed Rondo's stubborness and said his teammates at one point "hated" him.

Is it hard to believe that some of the most talented athletes on earth have strong, often grating personalities?  The encouraging thing is that Rondo and his teammates weren't allowing the conflict to spill over on to the floor.

[The MadLad]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

[Snakehead]

i must be crazy, but people think that rondo has a higher  basketball IQ than ray allen!?!?!?! seriously. really? i think celtics fans turn a blind eye to the holes in rondos game, its getting near a Tim Tebow status.
why is rondos IQ higher? because he can pass the ball better? because of his court vision? what about all the dumb **** he does on the court?? pushing an official in a crucial moment in a playoff game!!?!? talk about a lack of maturity and basketball IQ! what about his inability to get along with Doc, paul and Ray!?!? how can you be a leader when you have beef with 2 future HOF'ers, one is a (future?) celtic legend, the coach is one of the top coaches in the league, ect.
Danny knows he cant build a team around rondo. he doesnt have the right personality to lead a team and get respect in the locker room.

Everyone you hear close to Rondo says he is probably the smartest basketball player they have ever been around.

Just because you go shoot a lot of jump shots in a row that doesn't make you have a higher BBIQ.

Also, funny you say Danny knows he can't build a team around Rondo because that's exactly what he's doing...

[Celtics18]

Rondo has a history of being short, sarcastic, and standoffish with the media.  I think a lot of the speculation about his personality and how hard he is to get along with comes from the fact that the guys writing the stories have often been spurned and felt dissed by Rondo.

I don't think that's it.  Rondo has had numerous issues with coaches and teammates, dating back to his days at Kentucky.  Doc, among others, have confirmed Rondo's stubborness and said his teammates at one point "hated" him.

Is it hard to believe that some of the most talented athletes on earth have strong, often grating personalities?  The encouraging thing is that Rondo and his teammates weren't allowing the conflict to spill over on to the floor.

I'm not buying it.  Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are both players who have had their own personality quirks questioned and scrutinized by the media and fans alike.  I think that if they were to give the honest answer today, they would probably say that they prefer to play with Rajon Rondo than Ray Allen.  I don't think that has anything to do with personality, but more with
what the respective players bring to the court and to the battle.  

Also, I don't think that Doc Rivers would ever have publicly stated that there was a time that Rajon's teammates "hated" him if he didn't think that some of that hate was starting to turn into love.