Don't we already have a healthy PJ3 IN JJJ?

[rondohondo]

For everyone complaining we didn't take PJ3 , I think we already have a very similar player. JJJ is just as tall and athletic , can run the floor with Rondo and has a pretty good J and offensive skill. Plus he doesn't have any major injury concerns like PJ3's knee.

He also has a year under his belt where he likely learned a lot from KG( There was an article recently that said KG and JJJ would have conversations on plane rides all the time and JJJ was just soaking all the advice in).

He supposedly has gained 10 lbs since last years draft and hopes to add 5 more before the season starts.

I think JJJ is going to be a very solid rotation player next year!

[Bosstown]

They're completely different players. PJIII is a SF/PF, JJJ is strictly a PF. PJIII has some handle, JJJ has zero handle. PJIII has a high ceiling (if he works hard that is, kid has all the tools to be a star) and I personally think JJJ's ceiling is a role player in the NBA. I think we're going to regret passing up PJIII, I remember how upset I was when we took JR Giddens over D'Andre Jordan a few years ago. I got the same feeling in my stomach last night.

[Snakehead]

They're completely different players. PJIII is a SF/PF, JJJ is strictly a PF. PJIII has some handle, JJJ has zero handle. PJIII has a high ceiling (if he works hard that is, kid has all the tools to be a star) and I personally think JJJ's ceiling is a role player in the NBA. I think we're going to regret passing up PJIII, I remember how upset I was when we took JR Giddens over D'Andre Jordan a few years ago. I got the same feeling in my stomach last night.

PJ III is not a lock there's a reason he fell.

You're also giving JJJ no credit for being a FAR superior defender.

[BleedGreen1989]

I am guilty of somewhat forgetting about JJJ, he did not look that good to me last year in the small stints he got but im sure nerves had a lot to do with it.

That being said, I was very high on JJJ coming out of Baylor and he was my hopeful to fall to the celtics and we ended up with him. IF he adds some more weight he should be very nice next season but his frail frame scares me and it always has.

[CoachBo]

Not even close.

JJJ doesn't have the ceiling or athleticism of PJIII. He doesn't have some of the baggage, but PJIII will EASILY eclipse him as a pro if he develops any work ethic at all.

This isn't even remotely a legitimate comparison.

[JOMVP]

If somehow the Celtics can teach J3 to be a SF in the NBA like they think they can, then yes. But the major difference that I saw that would make PJ3 better was his ball handling, far superior to Jujuan in that aspect which would make him project to be a more capable SF right now.

Otherwise, athletically they are pretty much on the same level. In college, JuJuan was a more efficient scorer but mostly on jumpshots and back to the basket. PJ3 can get to the hoop off the dribble which makes him a bit more better. It depends on if you think J3 can somehow develop into an able ball handle to play at the SF then yes.

[chambers]

Not even close.

JJJ doesn't have the ceiling or athleticism of PJIII. He doesn't have some of the baggage, but PJIII will EASILY eclipse him as a pro if he develops any work ethic at all.

This isn't even remotely a legitimate comparison.

The things that you make yourself believe just astound me. I guarantee you haven't even seen Johnson play a single college game. In fact I bet all you've seen is the 5 minutes here and there running around with the scrubs of each side and you've decided you're self proclaimed basketball expert mind can't see him having anything to contribute because we passed on Brooks to take JJJ.

JaJuan Johnsons final year: 20.5 points and 8.6 rebounds a game.
They both shoot 30% from the three point line too.
Jones as a sophomore and the 'go to guy' was 13.5 points per game and 7.6 rebounds per game off 54% shooting.

I have no problem with Jones, I think he's great. But you have the gall to say that Johnson doesn't compare athletically to Jones? Do you know that Johnson had the highest vertical reach in the 2011 NBA draft combine? Have you seen him go up and touch the mid way point on the backboard?
You don't have any idea what Johnson's capable of and you've already written him because Ainge didn't take Marhson Brooks and his 12.6 points off 42% shooting and 30% three point shooting as a starter on the Nets. You think if Johnson was starting forward on the Nets he couldn't put up similar or better numbers?
He's twice the defender that Brooks is too. I'm done wasting my time. I have no idea about your age but you talk like a stereotypical elderly basketball fan who knows everything. One would think you've convinced yourself that you're some kind of expert after watching them for 5 minute stints as NBA rookies on championship contending teams.
It's simply not justified.

[Snakehead]

Not even close.

JJJ doesn't have the ceiling or athleticism of PJIII. He doesn't have some of the baggage, but PJIII will EASILY eclipse him as a pro if he develops any work ethic at all.

This isn't even remotely a legitimate comparison.

The things that you make yourself believe just astound me. I guarantee you haven't even seen Johnson play a single college game. In fact I bet all you've seen is the 5 minutes here and there running around with the scrubs of each side and you've decided you're self proclaimed basketball expert mind can't see him having anything to contribute because we passed on Brooks to take JJJ.

JaJuan Johnsons final year: 20.5 points and 8.6 rebounds a game.
They both shoot 30% from the three point line too.
Jones as a sophomore and the 'go to guy' was 13.5 points per game and 7.6 rebounds per game off 54% shooting.

I have no problem with Jones, I think he's great. But you have the gall to say that Johnson doesn't compare athletically to Jones? Do you know that Johnson had the highest vertical reach in the 2011 NBA draft combine? Have you seen him go up and touch the mid way point on the backboard?
You don't have any idea what Johnson's capable of and you've already written him because Ainge didn't take Marhson Brooks and his 12.6 points off 42% shooting and 30% three point shooting as a starter on the Nets. You think if Johnson was starting forward on the Nets he couldn't put up similar or better numbers?
He's twice the defender that Brooks is too. I'm done wasting my time. I have no idea about your age but you talk like a stereotypical elderly basketball fan who knows everything. One would think you've convinced yourself that you're some kind of expert after watching them for 5 minute stints as NBA rookies on championship contending teams.
It's simply not justified.

TP.  Thank you.

Johnson was Big Ten Defensive player of the year and player of the year overall.  PJ III has done nothing but have potential.

People said the same thing about Gerald Green.  He really "eclipsed" a lot of peoples careers easily right?   



I also love when people don't even consider defense in these kind of comparisons.

[gar]

Good point. JjJ > Jones
Danny must feel that Moore was better than a lot of the shooting guards available. Quincy Miller was very unimpressive.

The Melo pick will have to wait; but Syracuse were huge last year, very intimidating and he and Joseph were a big part of that.

Love the Joseph pick and Sulinger > BBD any day.

[FrDrake]

Not even close.

JJJ doesn't have the ceiling or athleticism of PJIII. He doesn't have some of the baggage, but PJIII will EASILY eclipse him as a pro if he develops any work ethic at all.

This isn't even remotely a legitimate comparison.

The things that you make yourself believe just astound me. I guarantee you haven't even seen Johnson play a single college game. In fact I bet all you've seen is the 5 minutes here and there running around with the scrubs of each side and you've decided you're self proclaimed basketball expert mind can't see him having anything to contribute because we passed on Brooks to take JJJ.

JaJuan Johnsons final year: 20.5 points and 8.6 rebounds a game.
They both shoot 30% from the three point line too.
Jones as a sophomore and the 'go to guy' was 13.5 points per game and 7.6 rebounds per game off 54% shooting.

I have no problem with Jones, I think he's great. But you have the gall to say that Johnson doesn't compare athletically to Jones? Do you know that Johnson had the highest vertical reach in the 2011 NBA draft combine? Have you seen him go up and touch the mid way point on the backboard?
You don't have any idea what Johnson's capable of and you've already written him because Ainge didn't take Marhson Brooks and his 12.6 points off 42% shooting and 30% three point shooting as a starter on the Nets. You think if Johnson was starting forward on the Nets he couldn't put up similar or better numbers?
He's twice the defender that Brooks is too. I'm done wasting my time. I have no idea about your age but you talk like a stereotypical elderly basketball fan who knows everything. One would think you've convinced yourself that you're some kind of expert after watching them for 5 minute stints as NBA rookies on championship contending teams.
It's simply not justified.

Posts like these make me wish we could take away TPs.  You don't need to ridicule other posters when you disagree.

[CelticG1]

Jjj will never be a small forward. Not quick enough and his shot release is crazy slow.

I can't see Jjj standing a chance of ever driving by a 34 year old Pierce

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I love 3J, and I think he needs to be given a fair shot. He was an outstanding college player, and he could be a fine part of the Celtics rotation as a stretch 4 who can rebound and run with Rondo.

[jambr380]

Jjj will never be a small forward. Not quick enough and his shot release is crazy slow.

I can't see Jjj standing a chance of ever driving by a 34 year old Pierce

I'm not huge on using the combine for player talent, but there was a thread on here last week comparing the numbers of Durant and Johnson and Johnson had a higher vertical jump, was faster, and had better lateral quickness than Durant.

I get that he isn't nearly the ball player that Durant is, but if you are going off of pure athleticism, Johnson is [surprisingly] in a very elite class.

Now to work on his assertiveness and ball-handling.

[CoachBo]

Not even close.

JJJ doesn't have the ceiling or athleticism of PJIII. He doesn't have some of the baggage, but PJIII will EASILY eclipse him as a pro if he develops any work ethic at all.

This isn't even remotely a legitimate comparison.

The things that you make yourself believe just astound me. I guarantee you haven't even seen Johnson play a single college game. In fact I bet all you've seen is the 5 minutes here and there running around with the scrubs of each side and you've decided you're self proclaimed basketball expert mind can't see him having anything to contribute because we passed on Brooks to take JJJ.

JaJuan Johnsons final year: 20.5 points and 8.6 rebounds a game.
They both shoot 30% from the three point line too.
Jones as a sophomore and the 'go to guy' was 13.5 points per game and 7.6 rebounds per game off 54% shooting.

I have no problem with Jones, I think he's great. But you have the gall to say that Johnson doesn't compare athletically to Jones? Do you know that Johnson had the highest vertical reach in the 2011 NBA draft combine? Have you seen him go up and touch the mid way point on the backboard?
You don't have any idea what Johnson's capable of and you've already written him because Ainge didn't take Marhson Brooks and his 12.6 points off 42% shooting and 30% three point shooting as a starter on the Nets. You think if Johnson was starting forward on the Nets he couldn't put up similar or better numbers?
He's twice the defender that Brooks is too. I'm done wasting my time. I have no idea about your age but you talk like a stereotypical elderly basketball fan who knows everything. One would think you've convinced yourself that you're some kind of expert after watching them for 5 minute stints as NBA rookies on championship contending teams.
It's simply not justified.

Your insults are duly noted.

Meanwhile, I coached college basketball for a time. There is NOTHING in your hyper-evaluation of Johnson that I agree with. Nothing. Comparing him or the wildly flawed attempts to elevate him above Perry Jones III to make a fan feel better are duly noted, but don't expect me to let them stand.

Say it again: There is no legitimate comparison between Johnson and PJIII. None. If Danny passed on PJIII because he has Johnson - which no sane general manager would - he's a fool.

[RJ87]

PJ3 and JJJ are both long and athletic, that's the beginning and the end of that comparison. PJ3 has a higher ceiling and better overall talent. JJJ may eventually carve out a role as a pick and pop player who can finish in transition. PJ3 has legitimate starter/borderline all-star potential - he was once projected a lottery pick (isn't that the line some are giving about Sully?).