Adrian Woj: C's aggressively trying to move into lottery

[theswitch]

I've thought about it, and it's not going to be Bradley. The only reasonable thing would be that KG is retiring and some dumb team picks up Pierce for veteran leadership in hopes of basketball mediocrity instead of another high lottery pick next year.

[Rondo2287]

How high could Bradley + 21 +22 realistically get us?  8-10 range?

[theswitch]

How high could Bradley + 21 +22 realistically get us?  8-10 range?

Probably, but is that really worth it? I vote no.

[Geo123]

I see Danny trading Rondo more than many others on the board.  The history is there, he has tried in the past.  Look out for Sacramento (prior thread here) and that 5.  NBADraft.net has Sacramento taking Drummond with it.  I don't see that, so I see Rondo, 21 and 22 heading West and Evans and the 5 heading our way (plus filler if needed).

That would be just terrible if it happens.  Evans is an underperforming non defense playing SG/SF who thinks he's a PG.  That would set us back for years and I bet you we would defnitely be saying good bye to KG then ...

[chambers]

What this guy on RealGM is saying goes with Woj's claim that they are moving into late lottery territory.

So we are basically looking at perhaps Rivers,
more likely;

Perry Jones
Moultrie
Zeller or Leonard (whichever isn't gone)
Henson (doubftul)
Harkless

I'd say if it's not Rivers it's one of the SF/PFs like Jones or Moultrie because both Zeller and Leonard will probably be gone by late lottery, same with Henson.


Only thing else I can think of is giving up both picks and taking on boatloads of salary knowing that KG is done, and Ray is gone.

Take on Salary+pick 21+22+Avery Bradley = top 10 pick?
Only team with that much salary is washington/Blatche or GSW/Bierdrins.

Meh I give up, most likely 21+22 for 12-16 range pick of best player available.

[mctyson]

How high could Bradley + 21 +22 realistically get us?  8-10 range?

Yeah maybe, but that is too much to give up just to get one player 10 spots higher.  Like the chart says, that's 10 more Win Shares over the player's career on average.  Do we trade all of that for 30 Win Shares when our two picks combined might net us 40?

[mctyson]

Meh I give up, most likely 21+22 for 12-16 range pick of best player available.

Danny explicitly said he would not do this type of move in this year's draft.  He is on record as saying that there are few transcendent players, but that the draft is deep with similar levels of talent.

If that is the case, why do we trade 2 players for 1 with slightly more ability or upside?

[chambers]

 

I've thought about it, and it's not going to be Bradley. The only reasonable thing would be that KG is retiring and some dumb team picks up Pierce for veteran leadership in hopes of basketball mediocrity instead of another high lottery pick next year.

Yeah Pierce plus 21 or 22 for pick 12 from Houston could help them get Dwight into a winning situation straight away. They'd keep pick 6 that way....

Only other team for Pierce could be GSW.
Pierce+21+22+Bradley for the 7th pick?
lol so many possibilities.

If ainge moves Pierce on draft night he's got balls alright.

[chambers]

Meh I give up, most likely 21+22 for 12-16 range pick of best player available.

Danny explicitly said he would not do this type of move in this year's draft.  He is on record as saying that there are few transcendent players, but that the draft is deep with similar levels of talent.

If that is the case, why do we trade 2 players for 1 with slightly more ability or upside?

If that's not going to happen then he's probably moving Pierce, because I doubt he's moving Rondo.

Pierce+picks+Bradley to GSW for 7th pick+Biedrins?

[get_banners]

Not sure how we can intelligently move up that much...unless KG is retiring and Danny is trading Pierce. Bradley plus our 2 picks should be enough to get into the mid-late lottery, but I'm not sure that's worth it.

[theswitch]

Meh I give up, most likely 21+22 for 12-16 range pick of best player available.

Danny explicitly said he would not do this type of move in this year's draft.  He is on record as saying that there are few transcendent players, but that the draft is deep with similar levels of talent.

If that is the case, why do we trade 2 players for 1 with slightly more ability or upside?

If that's not going to happen then he's probably moving Pierce, because I doubt he's moving Rondo.

Pierce+picks+Bradley to GSW for 7th pick+Biedrins?

I don't think it would take more than Pierce himself to move into the lottery, and Pierce + picks should be fair value for the 7th. I think having Bradley in any deal like this would be severely overpaying.

[Cman]

How high could Bradley + 21 +22 realistically get us?  8-10 range?

Yeah, I'd imagine that's about right, especially the #10, #11 range since these will both be picks #2 of the night for New Orleans and Portland.

[BostonNative]

I really think you guys are undervaluing us.

PP + AB + both picks = 7??

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. guys cmon lol, if we lose pp we have NO SCORERS Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. you going to do. we cant replace pp and get a big and get a decent bench like this lol...maybe PP stright up for a mid-level or AB + 22nd for a mid level but not all that for a 7...that is really dumb lol

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[theswitch]

How high could Bradley + 21 +22 realistically get us?  8-10 range?

Yeah, I'd imagine that's about right, especially the #10, #11 range since these will both be picks #2 of the night for New Orleans and Portland.

I think the question we all need to be asking is whether we would prefer to have those picks and Bradley (or maybe one pick and Bradley, depending on the deal) or a guy like Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb, Dion Waiters, Meyers Leonard. It is clear to me that if Rivers is on the board and we trade up, then he's the pick. I'd probably rather keep on to Avery and the picks.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm having conflicting emotions. I'd like to see all our key guys back, especially KG, and I want to see Pierce retire a Celtic, but if KG isn't coming back, and Ray walks, I think we need to go into serious rebuild mode with a high lottery pick—but that would probably meaning trading Pierce, and I don't want that. I can't imagine Pierce in another jersey; I sure as heck don't want the Lakers getting him somehow, and I think it would almost be an insult to send him to a crap team like the Warriors. Can you imagine seeing Pierce in a Golden State jersey? Ugh.

Anyway, I think we should keep Rondo at all costs. I'd hate to see Bradley go, but if it means getting a possible All-Star (or better) talent, someone who could be a real game-changer for several years to come, I think we have to do it. I'm also hoping that if we do get into the lottery, we don't use that pick on Rivers—I wouldn't mind having him, but not for that price.