Celtics making promise to Royce White at 21? (rumor)

[RJ87]

"Wroten didn't display a knack for finishing inside like Rondo. He was actually a pretty poor finisher after the rim."  

How do you suppose Wroten scored 16.7 points a game? Shooting fadeaway 3's?

Check out some of Wroten's games on Espn3. If there's one thing Wroten can do, it's finish inside.

And he got to the FT line more in one season than Rondo did in two.
He's not getting fouled on fadeaway 3's, lol.

Rondo wishes he was as tough as Wroten, who's father was an NFL TE.

Wroten, is that you?

Seriously, until Wroten plays in the NBA Playoffs with one arm, let's quiet the "he's tougher than Rondo" noise.

[arambone]

I'm not questioning Rondo's toughness.

Wroten is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. He's 30 pounds heavier than Rondo was at the same age. He's simply more capable of absorbing hard, repeated fouls. Plus he loves doing, which Rondo often doesn't.

Wroten is tougher at driving to the hoop and absorbing fouls.

Not tougher in general.



 

[KCattheStripe]

I'm not questioning Rondo's toughness.

Wroten is 4 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. He's 30 pounds heavier than Rondo was at the same age. He's simply more capable of absorbing hard, repeated fouls. Plus he loves doing, which Rondo often doesn't.

Wroten is tougher at driving to the hoop and absorbing fouls.

Not tougher in general.



 

OK, but why are you so keen on getting another PG, when we already have one of the best in the league?

[Change]

White has no upside

Come on. Now you're just being ridiculous? You think FESTUS EZELI has a high upside?? Lol

His upside is a defensive minded center who does the dirty work. Ezeli serves a purpose if drafted by the Celtics.

How much better can 6'8 ball dominating power-forward get?

He is undersized
He can't shoot.
He is a loaf on defense.
He has no post game.
He never played without the ball in his hands.
Outside distractions with his anxiety.


The likelihoods White struggling in next level is tremendous.

[arambone]

Because Wroten is likely to be one of the two best players available, and also because he is so versatile, and could probably even play spot minutes at the 3 against certain SFs, like Tony Allen.

Wroten would be the best playmaking backup PG Rondo has had, and he also compliments Bradley very well, because Wroten can guard the bigger guard, and be the PG on offense and let Bradley play his more natural SG.

Scoring is scoring, and NBA rules favor guards who can get to the rim and score and draw fouls. Playing off of Wroten doesn't mean you're going to stop him from getting to the rim or dishing off to the open man, and as he develops a 12 foot pull up jumper in the next year or two, he becomes a deadly offensive weapon, and high scoring 6th man.

[blink]

I wouldn't be against White at 21, but WHY are we promising anything to anyone.  We all know that DA had his fingers crossed behind his back if he even ever said that.  I think this is a whole lot about nothing.  

If DA gets a chance to get a better player than white either before or at 21 do you think he holds to that promise?  I don't think he does haha...just silly.

I hate the thought of Danny making a promise in this draft.  What's the upside?  That he doesn't work out for the handful of teams picking after us?  And the downside is that we would miss out on any highly-ranked players who fell to us?

If Quincy Miller and Jared Sullinger are there at 21, and we pass on one of them for White, it's going to be a big mistake in my mind.

[KCattheStripe]

Because Wroten is likely to be one of the two best players available, and also because he is so versatile, and could probably even play spot minutes at the 3 against certain SFs, like Tony Allen.

Wroten would be the best playmaking backup PG Rondo has had, and he also compliments Bradley very well, because Wroten can guard the bigger guard, and be the PG on offense and let Bradley play his more natural SG.

Scoring is scoring, and NBA rules favor guards who can get to the rim and score and draw fouls. Playing off of Wroten doesn't mean you're going to stop him from getting to the rim or dishing off to the open man, and as he develops a 12 foot pull up jumper in the next year or two, he becomes a deadly offensive weapon, and high scoring 6th man.

Seems to me that between Rondo and Bradley, there won't be a lot of minutes for Wroten to make an impact. I think Danny would be smarter to look elsewhere.

[BballTim]

I wouldn't be against White at 21, but WHY are we promising anything to anyone.  We all know that DA had his fingers crossed behind his back if he even ever said that.  I think this is a whole lot about nothing.  

If DA gets a chance to get a better player than white either before or at 21 do you think he holds to that promise?  I don't think he does haha...just silly.

I hate the thought of Danny making a promise in this draft.  What's the upside?  That he doesn't work out for the handful of teams picking after us?  And the downside is that we would miss out on any highly-ranked players who fell to us?

If Quincy Miller and Jared Sullinger are there at 21, and we pass on one of them for White, it's going to be a big mistake in my mind.

  If Ainge really made a promise to White and his agent he'll keep it. He has in the past.

[KGs Knee]

White has no upside

Come on. Now you're just being ridiculous? You think FESTUS EZELI has a high upside?? Lol

His upside is a defensive minded center who does the dirty work. Ezeli serves a purpose if drafted by the Celtics.

How much better can 6'8 ball dominating power-forward get?

He is undersized
He can't shoot.
He is a loaf on defense.
He has no post game.
He never played without the ball in the hands.
Outside distractions with his anxiety.


The likelihoods White struggling in next level is tremendous.

White is a SF, not a PF.

The outside shooting and unknown ability to play off the ball are legitmate concerns though.

While I'm no fan of draft promises, White is much better than you seem to think he is.

Maybe it is all a smokescreen by Danny though.  He seems to be the type to try to play mind tricks on other GMs.

[RJ87]

White has no upside

Come on. Now you're just being ridiculous? You think FESTUS EZELI has a high upside?? Lol

His upside is a defensive minded center who does the dirty work. Ezeli serves a purpose if drafted by the Celtics.

How much better can 6'8 ball dominating power-forward get?

He is undersized
He can't shoot.
He is a loaf on defense.
He has no post game.
He never played without the ball in his hands.
Outside distractions with his anxiety.


The likelihoods White struggling in next level is tremendous.

Sounds a bit like Boris Diaw to me. Except Royce is much more athletic. Obviously, Diaw is a better shooter but there's nothing about Royce's mechanics that leads me to believe he can't at least develop a respectable midrange jumper at some point.

Yes, the likelihood of him struggling in the NBA is tremendous but when you're picking at #21/22 you're either getting a) less talent or b) some type of behavioral issues.

[arambone]

Because Wroten is likely to be one of the two best players available, and also because he is so versatile, and could probably even play spot minutes at the 3 against certain SFs, like Tony Allen.

Wroten would be the best playmaking backup PG Rondo has had, and he also compliments Bradley very well, because Wroten can guard the bigger guard, and be the PG on offense and let Bradley play his more natural SG.

Scoring is scoring, and NBA rules favor guards who can get to the rim and score and draw fouls. Playing off of Wroten doesn't mean you're going to stop him from getting to the rim or dishing off to the open man, and as he develops a 12 foot pull up jumper in the next year or two, he becomes a deadly offensive weapon, and high scoring 6th man.

Seems to me that between Rondo and Bradley, there won't be a lot of minutes for Wroten to make an impact. I think Danny would be smarter to look elsewhere.

We definitely need a 3rd impact guard to replace or even upgrade from Ray Allen. I'd hate to see the Celtics 3rd guard be some softy who can shoot well, but kill the Celtics backcourt's ability to play aggressive, intimidating perimeter defense.

Hard to find a combo guard who can guard big 2's as well as point guards, and still bring a lot to the table offensively and on the boards.

Dion Waiters would have been closer to an ideal 3rd guard for the Celtics.

Probably what will end up happening is the Celtics will have a mediocre SG and a mediocre PG backing up Rondo and Bradley.

[KGs Knee]

Because Wroten is likely to be one of the two best players available, and also because he is so versatile, and could probably even play spot minutes at the 3 against certain SFs, like Tony Allen.

Wroten would be the best playmaking backup PG Rondo has had, and he also compliments Bradley very well, because Wroten can guard the bigger guard, and be the PG on offense and let Bradley play his more natural SG.

Scoring is scoring, and NBA rules favor guards who can get to the rim and score and draw fouls. Playing off of Wroten doesn't mean you're going to stop him from getting to the rim or dishing off to the open man, and as he develops a 12 foot pull up jumper in the next year or two, he becomes a deadly offensive weapon, and high scoring 6th man.

Seems to me that between Rondo and Bradley, there won't be a lot of minutes for Wroten to make an impact. I think Danny would be smarter to look elsewhere.

Yeah, if the C's use either of their 2 1st's to draft a guard I'll be miffed.

We just have so many other needs to fill and there will likely be players available at those positions at least as good as any guard available.

[arambone]

"White is a SF, not a PF."

That theory has been dismissed. He's a PF, and that his best position defensively anyway.

White does indeed have post moves. They may not be classic finesse moves but he scores very easily inside with his ball handling, quick spins, upfakes, and brute strength to bump guys out of the way.

Lebron just did that to the Celtics. White can use his wide shoulders and get his points inside while he develops other moves.

[KGs Knee]

"White is a SF, not a PF."

That theory has been dismissed. He's a PF, and that his best position defensively anyway.

By who?

[arambone]

I think it was actually Nicholson who the Combine analysts kind of laughed off as a possible 3.

I don't think White has the lateral quickness or instincts to guard well at all on the perimeter. The other side of that coin is that most SFs will have a pretty hard time guarding White on the other side of the court.

I think his minutes would only be spot minutes at SF, but I'm not sure any well respected experts have dismissed the possibility of 3 being his primary position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9JXQuPPSl8