Ray+Bass for Amare Stoudemire

[guava_wrench]

I am surprised at the criticism on this board for Amar'e. The guy definitely has the talent to be a franchise player and can play PF/C.

There is a reason why NY gave him a max contract back in 2010.

Granted, health is a big question mark, but you could also make the same case for KG (knee injury from '09), Paul Pierce (sprained MCL) and Ray (bone spurs.)

If Amar'e shows up in good shape and is focused, I think he and KG would kick some serious you know what for the Celtics.

I personally doubt the Knicks trade Amar'e to Boston for Ray and Bass

The Knicks gave him the contract because Dolan is rolling in money and because they got jilted by the best FAs.

The health isn't the main problem. The uninsured contract is the problem. KG was already under contract when he got the injury, so if he couldn't go, we had insurance.

This is not the case with Amare. And now we can add back problems to his knee and eye problems. Too big of a risk to commit to a guy like that. This is a major reason why he is practically untradeable.

[StarzNBarz]

Of course! any body saying no is crazy.

Ray is a year or 2 from retiring and can easily be replaced by a free agent.

Bass is average. 10-14 points. 5-8 boards. Again can be replaced by a free agent/draft pick.

Imagine Stoudemire and KG in the front court. Nice.

He also plays very well with a pass first PG (Nash in PHX)(doesnt everyone though?) haha.

[D.o.s.]

We lost three big men to injury this year. I don't care how good or how badly you play ball, but I'll take (caution: slight hyperbole) Hollins over Amar'e since Hollins will actually be playing in the post-season.

I like STAT's game, but I'd rather watch him play the 50-ish games he'll get on the court in Knicks colors.

[Smutzy#9]

Stats knees are made of glass and we can see he does stupid s**t like punching a fire hydrant. Rather not be paying a bloke 20 mil a season when he will only play 50 games.

[pp34isthe1]

Thought about this earlier today and figured there was a thread. Dwight and Deron are not walking through that door. If Danny's plan is re-tool and bring back the FA's from this year then a top 3 pick in the next 2 years is not walking through that door. Why not go after Amare?

He is still only 29 and is the best "star" that this Celtics team could land with what they have.

Id even through in the #21 and/or a current or future 2nd pick.

In 2 years after KG and PP retire, this team is going to be desperate for a star big man (unless something crazy happens). Amare seems like the answer.


Imagine this team

Ray & Bass 2012 second rounder future 1st for Amare
#21, 2013 2nd round (via cha), 3J and 3 mil for #14 or #16
Draft Terrence Ross and Royce White

Rondo/Dooling/Moore
Avery/Pietrus/Ross
Pierce/Green/Quis
Amare/Wilcox/White
KG /Camby(mini mle)/Stiemsma

Banner #18 written all over it.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Stoudamire makes $20 mil for the next 3 years and if he gets hurt, we have to pay it.  He has had so much work done he should move to La Jolla.  There are few players I would less want to have.  He simply has the worst contract in the NBA and could kill us until 2016.

[pp34isthe1]

Stoudamire makes $20 mil for the next 3 years and if he gets hurt, we have to pay it.  He has had so much work done he should move to La Jolla.  There are few players I would less want to have.  He simply has the worst contract in the NBA and could kill us until 2016.

Think of it this way, Celtics can either this year:
A.) Rebuild
B.) Resign/Retool

Most of us are pulling for B.

Say we resign most of our free agents (Green, Ray, Bass, KG) as opposed to blowing it up. Effectivly blowing our cap space this year and the next. KG, Bass, and most likely green and ray are not taking 1 year deals. So there goes 2012 and 2013. By 2014 KG and PP will likely retire, this team will be in rebuild mode without a star with Rondo, mid range draft picks do not cut it. Josh Smith or another semi-star may be on the team but that is still not a contender and most likely Jeff Green would need to be given up to get them. So in 2014 Celtics are in rebuild mode. Amares contract ends in 2015 .

So my question is, if we are in total rebuild mode in 2014, why does that cap space matter? What free agent superstar can possibly be lured to a rebuild?

Atleast even if Amare was injured and his contract was hurting the C's pockets, it would be a h*ll of alot easier to hit the cap floor and make sure theres no Ben Gordon/Charlie V contracts handed out during the rebuild.

Why not get Amare?

[jyyzzoel]

Of course! any body saying no is crazy.

Ray is a year or 2 from retiring and can easily be replaced by a free agent.

Bass is average. 10-14 points. 5-8 boards. Again can be replaced by a free agent/draft pick.

Imagine Stoudemire and KG in the front court. Nice.

He also plays very well with a pass first PG (Nash in PHX)(doesnt everyone though?) haha.

then im crazy. amare is over the hill. his 20 mill a year is uninsured, and it would be a lot smarter to spend even 10 million on ersan illyasova. amare is sooooooo 5 years ago 

[pearljammer10]

No. Big uninsured contract + big injury problems = stay away.

[chambers]

I would love to see Amare and Rondo run the pick and roll like the old Phoenix Nash days.

For that kind of money I'd rather try and grab Gasol to be honest. Taller, less injury concern, although older.
Personal preference for the height.

[Lefty5790]

I wouldn't want Stoudemire on the Celtics. He has a huge contract and it might not be that crazy to say Avery Bradley could defend a 4 better than him. Although he might thrive alongside Rondo and Bradley he's turning 30 this year so it's not a move for the future. Plus no way New York takes on a $10m Ray Allen contract.

[SHAQATTACK]

Glade he is the Knicks problem.  Damaged body and now maybe brain too.  

He'll be like Carl Malone and sell himself out to the Heat , Mavs, LA for a final year or two to attempt to get a ring.

I suspect he needs major surgerys that may not even help him.  So he just doesn't do it.

Like buying a nice looking 200K mile luxury car , that the engine has hidden flaws an is ready to break for good.

[Sketch5]

Rather trade Ray and Bass for Noah and Deng... Or even Just Ray for Noah, just hope if KG comes back they would get along...

[Geo123]

Nobody is picking up Amare's contract, period end of story. It's been mentioned numerous times that this is a nonmovable contract and that only the Knicks were stupid enough to sign him to that length and those dollars in the first place. It's not insured plus he's not even performing well.  This would be a beyond stupid move...

[chambers]

Wonder if the Knicks amnesty him after another failed season in the big apple next year.