How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)

[Fafnir]

So far we've got 6 GM's and 1 panelist.

Just saying now, if all 4 remaining panelists dont get back to me with votes, I'm going to just weight the panelists who do vote as equivelent to 4 or 5 GM's, depending on where they have the Spurs.

If the vote was sent to me, its been processed.

Who are the other panelists?

You, Fafnir, mgent, freshinthehouse

Thursday right? I just started going over finished rosters/years last night via presser thread. 4 teams down and no Durant/Westbrook crazy second halfs to distract me tonight.

[indeedproceed]

So far we've got 6 GM's and 1 panelist.

Just saying now, if all 4 remaining panelists dont get back to me with votes, I'm going to just weight the panelists who do vote as equivelent to 4 or 5 GM's, depending on where they have the Spurs.

If the vote was sent to me, its been processed.

Who are the other panelists?

You, Fafnir, mgent, freshinthehouse

Thursday right? I just started going over finished rosters/years last night via presser thread. 4 teams down and no Durant/Westbrook crazy second halfs to distract me tonight.

Plenty-o-time. No rush.

[Fafnir]

So far we've got 6 GM's and 1 panelist.

Just saying now, if all 4 remaining panelists dont get back to me with votes, I'm going to just weight the panelists who do vote as equivelent to 4 or 5 GM's, depending on where they have the Spurs.

If the vote was sent to me, its been processed.

Who are the other panelists?

You, Fafnir, mgent, freshinthehouse

Thursday right? I just started going over finished rosters/years last night via presser thread. 4 teams down and no Durant/Westbrook crazy second halfs to distract me tonight.

Plenty-o-time. No rush.

I was just paranoid that I messed up and was already supposed to have voted!

[indeedproceed]

So far we've got 6 GM's and 1 panelist.

Just saying now, if all 4 remaining panelists dont get back to me with votes, I'm going to just weight the panelists who do vote as equivelent to 4 or 5 GM's, depending on where they have the Spurs.

If the vote was sent to me, its been processed.

Who are the other panelists?

You, Fafnir, mgent, freshinthehouse

Thursday right? I just started going over finished rosters/years last night via presser thread. 4 teams down and no Durant/Westbrook crazy second halfs to distract me tonight.

Plenty-o-time. No rush.

I was just paranoid that I messed up and was already supposed to have voted!

Nope, and to everyone else who is thinking about throwing in a panic vote, I'm telling you also not to worry, you have until noon tomorrow. Make sure you look at every team.

Dons has his presentation up now, and Bahku and GF1819 have both added work to theirs.

EDIT: Except Redz, Redz you cannot and will not submit a vote to me or so help me....

[indeedproceed]

Review 1 from Team Presentations:

Moranis's Mavericks, Or, 'Honey I Blew Up The Bynum'

PG - Rose 11, Westbrook 12, Bibby 04
SG - Pierce 02, Barbosa 07
SF - J. Johnson 05, Stackhouse 01
PF - K. Malone 97, Bosh 07, AC Green 89
C  - Bynum 12, Seikaly 93, Cousins 12

Projected Rotation with approximate minutes

PG - Rose 30, Westbrook 18
SG - Pierce 30, Stackhouse 10, Barbosa 8
SF - Johnson 30, Stackhouse 18
PF - Malone 35, Bosh 13
C - Bynum 25, Seikaly 15, Bosh 8
Bibby, Green, Cousins = situational players

Pro's: Super athletic, high skill levels from the trio of forwards (Pierce/Johnson/Malone), dominant driving duo in Rose/Pierce, high-level defense from Malone/Bynum/Bosh, killer transition team.

Cons: For the years selected, nobody on the perimeter is a prolific passer for their position, let alone in the context of the league. The Rose/Malone, Rose/Bosh P&R attack should be one of the more deadly 'go-to' moves on the table, but Rose just isn't the point guard to fill those shoes. It would be lessened if one of Pierce or Johnson were more able and willing passers, but at the years in their careers selected, they're not the willing facilitators they would later become. On the bench the prospects don't improve at all, and you have to think ball movement will be a real issue.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Mavs
2.
3.

Offensive
1. Mavs
2.
3.

Defensive
1. Mavs
2.
3.

[StartOrien]

Can't wait for my review I've got some awesome counter attacks prepared.

IP: bla, bla, bla, concerns about Marbury.
Me: Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

[indeedproceed]

Review 2 From Team Presentations:

Yoki's Nuggets, Or, 'Pennies From Denver'

Anfernee Hardaway '96
Doug 'Take My Wife, Please' Christie '04
Grant Hill '97
PJ Brown '01
Patrick Ewing '90

Reserves:
Rod Strickland (97-98), Nick Anderson (94-95), Tayshaun Prince (04-05), David Lee (09-10), Rik Smits (93-94), Derek Fisher (00-01), Luc Longley (96-97), Tyrone Hill (94-95)

Pro's: Patrick Ewing had a disappoint career, but that shouldn't diminish from the dominating presence that Ewing was as a young pre-injury player. Tough defenders among the starting 5 like PJ Brown, Doug Christie, and Grant Hill should help cement the team as one of the league's better defensive units. Big size on the bench and big guards almost assure that they won't be at a real size disadvantage. Grant Hill had his best passing year in 1997 (and the 3rd best passing season from a forward ever, behind just LeBron and Bird), which should help ensure the offense moves smoothly. Anfernee's size advantage should help them get easy buckets as a third option when pressed against any team who attempts to guard him straight up.

Cons: Doug Christie and PJ Brown have no business starting in this format, they allow any team facing them to basically rest two guys on defense, and that's a best-case scenario. Worst case is that a team with two ball-hawks down low is allowed to let one of them run free to cause havoc. Penny isn't much of a passer for a point guard, which puts a lot of the responsibility to facilitate the offense and keep Ewing happy in Grant Hill's hands. Also, aside from Tayshaun Prince and Rik Smits, I'm not crazy about any of the bench options.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Mavs
2. Nuggets
3.

Offensive
1. Mavs
2. Nuggets
3.

Defensive
1. Nuggets
2. Mavs
3.

[indeedproceed]

Review 3 from Team Presentations:

StartOrien's Magic, Or, 'Swagger? I Barely Know Her!'

C: Vlade Divac
PF: Chris Webber
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Manu Ginobli
PG: Baron Davis

Andre Iguodala, Lamar Odom, Theo Ratliff
Stephon Marbury, Toni Kukoc,
Kenyon Martin, Jason Richardson
Kirk Hinrich

Pro's: This is a team that took full advantage of the format here, selecting guys whose biggest knocks are injury and year-to-year consistency, but who still had one great year to build on. Hyper-athletic across the board excepting the center position, and even on the bench a ton of athleticism and versatility.

Con's: With a bunch of 'fall in line' type of guys around him, I'd buy that a team led by Divac/Webber/Manu could go far. But Shawn Marion was jealous of Amare, Baron Davis has always been volatile and tough to keep engaged, and that's not even inching close to the powder kegs on the bench in Starburns, Odom, and Kirk Hinrich. Real chemistry/leadership concerns. Also, outside shooting is concern, and Shawn Marion won't be the devastating option he was as a 'quick' 4 if he's just a regular 3 who has a funny jump shot.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Magic
2. Mavs
3. Nuggets

Offensive
1. Magic
2. Mavs
3. Nuggets

Defensive
1. Nuggets
2. Mavs
3. Magic

[StartOrien]

3 on defense?! Sorry, gotta go talk to someone important like Stephen A. Smith. PEACE







Edit: Kirk Hinrich joke was one of your better ones. Worked perfectly, I had that .5 second "What the heck is he talking about he's Kirk Hinrich" reactions and then immediate shame.

[StartOrien]

One thing I'll point out is that there is sneakily some good shooting on this squad:

Odom's best season .370
J-Rich: .406
Kukoc: .403
Marion: .393
Manu: .401
Hinrich: .413

So while a bunch of these guys aren't thought of as pure shooters, it doesn't mean they can't shoot. Do not try to bend the spoon — that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: there is no spoon.

[indeedproceed]

Review 4 From Team Presentations:

Wdredz's Hawks, Or, "Dwight Howard In The Age Of Innocence"

PG  Williams  07-08
SG  Ray Allen  00-01
SF  Deng  09-10
PF  Love 10-11
C   Howard  08-09

Bench

PG Brandon 95-96
SG Petrovic 91-92
SG/SF Mario Elie  94-95
SF Glen Robinson 92-93
PF/SF Robert Horry 04-05 (only cared about playoff numbers)
PF/C Clifford Robinson (big headband one) 92-93
PF/C Aldridge 10-11
C/PF  Elden Campbell  95-96

Pro's: This is the most traditionally 'complete' team in the entire draft. The pieces just seem to fit together, the weaknesses get addressed, the elements play off each other ultimately making their strength as a unit better than their strength as individual players. You know, Amurrika. Lots of skill from the bigs, lots of defense from the bigs. Solid bench guys with good shooting. Good defense/doitall from Deng. Dominant point.

Cons: Dwight Howard is dominant in a league where a team can start a 36 year old power forward at center and still get to the conference Finals. Especially once Howard hit his stride as a player the last 3 years, the age of the dominant center had passed, and I don't think he would dominate here nearly as well as he does in the actual NBA. I also worry about the defense, as Kevin Love is not a great defender, Ray Allen was not a good defender (for the year selected). I'm not sure Dwight Howard is dominant enough to carry that load.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Magic
2. Hawks
3. Mavs

Offensive
1. Hawks
2. Magic
3. Mavs

Defensive
1. Nuggets
2. Mavs
3. Magic

[indeedproceed]

And that's where I'm stopping today. Maybe I make it through the other 13 teams tomorrow. Maybe I don't. Maybe you shut you mouth when you're talking to me.

[StartOrien]

And that's where I'm stopping today. Maybe I make it through the other 13 teams tomorrow. Maybe I don't. Maybe you shut you mouth when you're talking to me.

Don't worry about it, just call it a night!

Overall
1. Magic
2. Hawks
3. Mavs

[wdleehi]

Review 4 From Team Presentations:

Wdredz's Hawks, Or, "Dwight Howard In The Age Of Innocence"

PG  Williams  07-08
SG  Ray Allen  00-01
SF  Deng  09-10
PF  Love 10-11
C   Howard  08-09

Bench

PG Brandon 95-96
SG Petrovic 91-92
SG/SF Mario Elie  94-95
SF Glen Robinson 92-93
PF/SF Robert Horry 04-05 (only cared about playoff numbers)
PF/C Clifford Robinson (big headband one) 92-93
PF/C Aldridge 10-11
C/PF  Elden Campbell  95-96

Pro's: This is the most traditionally 'complete' team in the entire draft. The pieces just seem to fit together, the weaknesses get addressed, the elements play off each other ultimately making their strength as a unit better than their strength as individual players. You know, Amurrika. Lots of skill from the bigs, lots of defense from the bigs. Solid bench guys with good shooting. Good defense/doitall from Deng. Dominant point.

Cons: Dwight Howard is dominant in a league where a team can start a 36 year old power forward at center and still get to the conference Finals. Especially once Howard hit his stride as a player the last 3 years, the age of the dominant center had passed, and I don't think he would dominate here nearly as well as he does in the actual NBA. I also worry about the defense, as Kevin Love is not a great defender, Ray Allen was not a good defender (for the year selected). I'm not sure Dwight Howard is dominant enough to carry that load.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Magic
2. Hawks
3. Mavs

Offensive
1. Hawks
2. Magic
3. Mavs

Defensive
1. Nuggets
2. Mavs
3. Magic

The 36 year PF happens to be a 7 foot KG (or Tim Duncan) who both could have been C their entire careers and both were picked in the 1st round of this.  Is it any different then 36 year old Ewing, Dreams or Admirals starting?


Howard would still be a rebound and defensive force.  He would still be a pain on the pick and roll.


And on my team, he doesn't need to be option number 1.  He will get the most space in his career with the waves of all star level shooters that will be sent out there, but there are just so many 20 point scorers out there that do it with a high shooting %.

[Rondo2287]

Review 4 From Team Presentations:

Wdredz's Hawks, Or, "Dwight Howard In The Age Of Innocence"

PG  Williams  07-08
SG  Ray Allen  00-01
SF  Deng  09-10
PF  Love 10-11
C   Howard  08-09

Bench

PG Brandon 95-96
SG Petrovic 91-92
SG/SF Mario Elie  94-95
SF Glen Robinson 92-93
PF/SF Robert Horry 04-05 (only cared about playoff numbers)
PF/C Clifford Robinson (big headband one) 92-93
PF/C Aldridge 10-11
C/PF  Elden Campbell  95-96

Pro's: This is the most traditionally 'complete' team in the entire draft. The pieces just seem to fit together, the weaknesses get addressed, the elements play off each other ultimately making their strength as a unit better than their strength as individual players. You know, Amurrika. Lots of skill from the bigs, lots of defense from the bigs. Solid bench guys with good shooting. Good defense/doitall from Deng. Dominant point.

Cons: Dwight Howard is dominant in a league where a team can start a 36 year old power forward at center and still get to the conference Finals. Especially once Howard hit his stride as a player the last 3 years, the age of the dominant center had passed, and I don't think he would dominate here nearly as well as he does in the actual NBA. I also worry about the defense, as Kevin Love is not a great defender, Ray Allen was not a good defender (for the year selected). I'm not sure Dwight Howard is dominant enough to carry that load.

Current Rankings (Rolling as I Review More Teams)

Overall
1. Magic
2. Hawks
3. Mavs

Offensive
1. Hawks
2. Magic
3. Mavs

Defensive
1. Nuggets
2. Mavs
3. Magic

The 36 year PF happens to be a 7 foot KG (or Tim Duncan) who both could have been C their entire careers and both were picked in the 1st round of this.  Is it any different then 36 year old Ewing, Dreams or Admirals starting?


Howard would still be a rebound and defensive force.  He would still be a pain on the pick and roll.


And on my team, he doesn't need to be option number 1.  He will get the most space in his career with the waves of all star level shooters that will be sent out there, but there are just so many 20 point scorers out there that do it with a high shooting %.

Any concern about not having a single guy that has won the title in your starting lineup?  Are there any other teams that can say that?  (I honestly don't know, im gonna look)

EDIT: wow actually a surprising number of teams where there  isnt a championship winner in the starting 5.  Pretty strange given the format I think.