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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #180 on: June 08, 2012, 10:35:56 PM »

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Im on my phone so i cant re read but wasnt the point of the times piece that physically he doesnt have the skills to really be an nba player but since hes so smart, and uses all the info hes provided he gets by. And then it kind of exaggerated his effectiveness against kobe and other stars?

A) we're both 28 years old, unmarried men, and we're both using our phones to comment on a fake draft that maybe 20 people care about. We are nerds. Just saying.

B) you're kind of right. The point is that his physical gifts don't make sense for his actual game impact. I'm not sure having watched a lot of battier that his impact defensively is overstated. The point of the piece was not to highlight battier's weaknesses, it was to highlight that the way individual impact is measured with regular boxscores is not an accurate representation of a player. Battier absolutely has the physical tools to succeed in the nba, the point was that his box score and his percieved deficiencies are not acturate precursors to his actual nba production and impact.

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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #181 on: June 08, 2012, 10:46:52 PM »

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Mourning/Camby/Varajao
McDyess/West
Durant/Elliott/Person
Sprewell/McMillan/Gill
Hardaway/Miller

I wish there was more playmaking there in the starting 5. The thunder are most effective when Harden is in, because he moves the ball. Hardaway is a scorer, spree is a scorer, and Durant, although much improved, is a scorer. Mcdyess and mourning arent elite facilitators either for their respective positions.

Athletically, you might have the best starting 5 in the league, and defense should be tight.

Good glue guys on the bench, and more sound defense to couple with it.
I wouldn't say it's a lack of playmaking as much as it is perhaps, emm ... too many trigger happy guys on the perimeter. Hardaway, Sprewell and Durant all take a lot of shot-attempts and none of them have the type of mentality to take a vastly reduced role. All very aggressive scoring mentalities. 

I wonder if they'd be better off with Nate McMillan in there instead of Timmy Hardaway. Someone who will just move the ball and keep everyone involved. As well as create numerous extra possessions with steals and high level rebounding plus his terrific all-around defense. They are already one of the best defensive starting units in the league, with Nate in there, they'd go to another level.

Then let Tim be a super sub backup PG. That second unit would benefit from his creativity offensively. Sean Elliott, David West, Marcus Camby. I think they'd work well together.

Yeah, I think I'd do that. Start Nate McMillan. Bring Timmy off the bench.

Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #182 on: June 08, 2012, 10:51:13 PM »

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Im on my phone so i cant re read but wasnt the point of the times piece that physically he doesnt have the skills to really be an nba player but since hes so smart, and uses all the info hes provided he gets by. And then it kind of exaggerated his effectiveness against kobe and other stars?

A) we're both 28 years old, unmarried men, and we're both using our phones to comment on a fake draft that maybe 20 people care about. We are nerds. Just saying.

B) you're kind of right. The point is that his physical gifts don't make sense for his actual game impact. I'm not sure having watched a lot of battier that his impact defensively is overstated. The point of the piece was not to highlight battier's weaknesses, it was to highlight that the way individual impact is measured with regular boxscores is not an accurate representation of a player. Battier absolutely has the physical tools to succeed in the nba, the point was that his box score and his percieved deficiencies are not acturate precursors to his actual nba production and impact.

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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #183 on: June 09, 2012, 12:15:52 AM »

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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #184 on: June 09, 2012, 09:00:38 AM »

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The defending champions are finished.  I elected to go with Westbrook from this year.  Not quite as good statistically but much more mature and a better leader for the second unit (he also has a good shot at being a champion).  I still might take Bosh from this year if the Heat unfortunately pull it out against us, but otherwise think I am set with the team and years.  I believe the Mavs are the only team to have two MVP seasons utilized (Rose and Malone), which I think is a huge edge in this league. 

PG - Rose 11, Westbrook 12, Bibby 04
SG - Pierce 02, Barbosa 07
SF - J. Johnson 05, Stackhouse 01
PF - K. Malone 97, Bosh 07, AC Green 89
C  - Bynum 12, Seikaly 93, Cousins 12


Projected Rotation with approximate minutes

PG - Rose 30, Westbrook 18
SG - Pierce 30, Stackhouse 10, Barbosa 8
SF - Johnson 30, Stackhouse 18
PF - Malone 35, Bosh 13
C - Bynum 25, Seikaly 15, Bosh 8
Bibby, Green, Cousins = situational players

Total Projected Minutes
35 - Malone
30 - Rose, Pierce, Johnson
28 - Stackhouse
25 - Bynum
21 - Bosh
18 - Westbrook
15 - Seikaly
08 - Barbosa

As I indicated in the draft thread, I expect this team to run up and down the floor and be in constant fast break mode.  There is plenty of depth, so I want them to go crazy hard and full bore all game long.  I want this team to score in the 120-130 range every single night and just want to out gun the other teams.  I believe I set up the team correctly to do just that. 
I went to all this trouble and didn't get a single comment.  Boo on all of you.
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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #185 on: June 09, 2012, 10:42:21 AM »

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PG - Rose 11, Westbrook 12, Bibby 04
SG - Pierce 02, Barbosa 07
SF - J. Johnson 05, Stackhouse 01
PF - K. Malone 97, Bosh 07, AC Green 89
C  - Bynum 12, Seikaly 93, Cousins 12

I love your starting lineup and I love Russell Westbrook as your backup PG.

I think this is the best starting unit in the league (outside of my own). I think the D.Rose, K.Malone and P.Pierce troika is spectacular and that Joe Johnson is an absolutely wonderful fit alongside them. Andrew Bynum, I like. And as I said before, I think Rose-Westbrook as a 1-2 punch at PG is going to be overpowering for so many teams. A great PG duo.

Less wild about the rest of the bench. I like Bosh but prefer him at center rather than PF. I like Seikaly but I don't like that he is in Bosh's way.

I dislike Jerry Stackhouse in this format because he is a shot-happy player with so-so scoring efficiency who doesn't contribute much outside of scoring plus he is playing out of position on top of that. I also dislike Leandro Barbosa as your main backup two. Too weak as a defender/rebounder.

I like AC Green. I think he should be your primary backup PF instead of Bosh with Bosh your backup center. Then Seikaly as your third string center who gets called upon when you need more heft in the paint. I like Mike Bibby as an offensively orientated third string PG. I dislike Cousins, I don't think he plays winning basketball.

For me, you have the best starting unit in this league but your bench is holding you back. Especially on the wings. 

Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #186 on: June 09, 2012, 12:22:44 PM »

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PG - Rose 11, Westbrook 12, Bibby 04
SG - Pierce 02, Barbosa 07
SF - J. Johnson 05, Stackhouse 01
PF - K. Malone 97, Bosh 07, AC Green 89
C  - Bynum 12, Seikaly 93, Cousins 12

I love your starting lineup and I love Russell Westbrook as your backup PG.

I think this is the best starting unit in the league (outside of my own). I think the D.Rose, K.Malone and P.Pierce troika is spectacular and that Joe Johnson is an absolutely wonderful fit alongside them. Andrew Bynum, I like. And as I said before, I think Rose-Westbrook as a 1-2 punch at PG is going to be overpowering for so many teams. A great PG duo.

Less wild about the rest of the bench. I like Bosh but prefer him at center rather than PF. I like Seikaly but I don't like that he is in Bosh's way.

I dislike Jerry Stackhouse in this format because he is a shot-happy player with so-so scoring efficiency who doesn't contribute much outside of scoring plus he is playing out of position on top of that. I also dislike Leandro Barbosa as your main backup two. Too weak as a defender/rebounder.

I like AC Green. I think he should be your primary backup PF instead of Bosh with Bosh your backup center. Then Seikaly as your third string center who gets called upon when you need more heft in the paint. I like Mike Bibby as an offensively orientated third string PG. I dislike Cousins, I don't think he plays winning basketball.

For me, you have the best starting unit in this league but your bench is holding you back. Especially on the wings. 
Thanks for the positive feedback.  As for the bench, just want to clear a few things up.  Stackhouse played SF a lot in the 2000-2001 season.  You are right he wasn't the most efficient scorer on his way to just under 30 a game, but he did hit 35% from three and over 80% from the line for a TS% of 52.  He also had over 5 assists a game to go with just under 4 rebounds a game that year, which is pretty solid for a backup and better than a lot of starters in this league.  And sure he may be a bit undersized at SF, but he won't be going against a lot of the starters and I believe he will overwhelm almost all of the backup wings at both the 2 and the 3 (where I have him playing if you look at my projected minutes).

I specifically wanted a guy like Barbosa next to Stack and Russ in the backcourt on the bench.  Great spot up shooter and excellent ball handler/slasher when necessary (43% from three, 18 points with 4 assists and 3 boards as the 6th man of the year).  Might be a bit undersized, but just like with Stack, I'll take my chances against most of the bench players in this thing.

I do have Bosh playing about 8 minutes a game at center.  Essentially the way I see my minutes down low are

Malone/Seikaly - 15
Bosh/Bynum - 13
Malone/Bynum - 12
Malone/Bosh - 8

I don't actually anticipate Bosh and Seikaly playing together at all so I think some of your concerns there are minimized.

Also, while I didn't set it up this way, I'm sure there would be games where I have Bibby and Westbrook on the floor at the same time and possibly also Westbrook and Rose at the same time.  Sure that wouldn't work all the time, but against a lot of teams in the right situations, it could pose a lot of problems. 
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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #187 on: June 09, 2012, 01:33:21 PM »

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PG - Rose 11, Westbrook 12, Bibby 04
SG - Pierce 02, Barbosa 07
SF - J. Johnson 05, Stackhouse 01
PF - K. Malone 97, Bosh 07, AC Green 89
C  - Bynum 12, Seikaly 93, Cousins 12

Likes: scoring potential on the wings, Malone, in general, Westbrook, Bosh, and Green off the bench and Derrick Rose.

Dislikes: depending on the year, I don't like Pierce and Johnson together with Rose or Westbrook. While I'm not debating the talent, the fit of it all isn't what I'd want there. People look at Roses passing and say its because he has no one to pass to, but that's far from the truth in my mind. It's just not his strong suit. Johnson later in Atlanta developed his passing a  lot more, and that might help sort things. Pierce as well later on in his career seems to have devoloped as a passer.

The bigger deal is that I think as a 1-2 p&r combo with Malone you should've looked for a better passer than Rose, because that's a Winning formula right there.

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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #188 on: June 10, 2012, 09:12:28 PM »

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Who else is bored and wants to debate whose team is better?

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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #189 on: June 11, 2012, 07:27:29 AM »

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Who else is bored and wants to debate whose team is better?

I do.

Nash can't handle Penny, I win.
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PG: Jrue Holiday / Isaiah Thomas / Larry Hughes
SG: Paul George / Aaron McKie / Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #190 on: June 11, 2012, 07:41:18 AM »

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Downeast Diablos
 
 
PG - Allen Iverson (SG Swing 04/05), Kenny Anderson (93/94), Damon Stoudamire (96/97)
 
SG - Mitch Richmond (88/89), Ron Harper (SF Swing 86/87), Klay Thompson (SF Swing 11/12)
 
SF - Andrei Kirilenko (03/04), Kevin Martin (SG Swing 06/07), Larry Johnson (PF Swing 92/93)
 
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire (C Swing 10/11), Charles Oakley (C Swing 86/87)
 
C   - Dikembe Mutombo (99/00), Roy Hibbert (11-12)



Have at it ... I should have some time later today to discuss my and other teams, and all critique gets TPs, (even the anti-Anwser sentiment, haha).

This is about fantasy basketball, afterall, not off-court antics ... I mean, this is practice we're talkin' about, right? Practice? We're talkin' about practice?

Seriously? This isn't a game we're talkin' about, this is practice.

Practice?!?


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my team would love to play this team.

G - '95-96 Penny / '97-'98 Rod Strickland / '01-'02 Derek Fisher

G - '02 - '03 Doug Christie / '96 - '97 Nick Anderson

F - '97 - '98 G-Hill / '03 - '04 Tayshaun Prince /

F - '00 - '01 PJ Brown / '09 - '10 David Lee / '95 - '96 Tyrone Hill

C - '89 - '90 Chewing / '94 - '95 Rik Smits / '97 -'98 Luuuuuuuuuc Longley


Love how the team kind of cancels out the other both on starting and bench. There's a defender for every offensive weapon on each position. Penny and AI would pretty much be the difference maker here.
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SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #191 on: June 11, 2012, 07:55:32 AM »

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Downeast Diablos
 
 
PG - Allen Iverson (SG Swing 04/05), Kenny Anderson (93/94), Damon Stoudamire (96/97)
 
SG - Mitch Richmond (88/89), Ron Harper (SF Swing 86/87), Klay Thompson (SF Swing 11/12)
 
SF - Andrei Kirilenko (03/04), Kevin Martin (SG Swing 06/07), Larry Johnson (PF Swing 92/93)
 
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire (C Swing 10/11), Charles Oakley (C Swing 86/87)
 
C   - Dikembe Mutombo (99/00), Roy Hibbert (11-12)



Have at it ... I should have some time later today to discuss my and other teams, and all critique gets TPs, (even the anti-Anwser sentiment, haha).

This is about fantasy basketball, afterall, not off-court antics ... I mean, this is practice we're talkin' about, right? Practice? We're talkin' about practice?

Seriously? This isn't a game we're talkin' about, this is practice.

Practice?!?


(Working on my presentation ... should be ready by Wednesday)

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my team would love to play this team.

G - '95-96 Penny / '97-'98 Rod Strickland / '01-'02 Derek Fisher

G - '02 - '03 Doug Christie / '96 - '97 Nick Anderson

F - '97 - '98 G-Hill / '03 - '04 Tayshaun Prince /

F - '00 - '01 PJ Brown / '09 - '10 David Lee / '95 - '96 Tyrone Hill

C - '89 - '90 Chewing / '94 - '95 Rik Smits / '97 -'98 Luuuuuuuuuc Longley


Love my chances.
Love my chances as well ... good luck stopping the Answer and Richmond, or getting around a Deke, AK-47 and Amar'e defense.
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Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #192 on: June 11, 2012, 08:00:17 AM »

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Downeast Diablos
 
 
PG - Allen Iverson (SG Swing 04/05), Kenny Anderson (93/94), Damon Stoudamire (96/97)
 
SG - Mitch Richmond (88/89), Ron Harper (SF Swing 86/87), Klay Thompson (SF Swing 11/12)
 
SF - Andrei Kirilenko (03/04), Kevin Martin (SG Swing 06/07), Larry Johnson (PF Swing 92/93)
 
PF - Amar'e Stoudemire (C Swing 10/11), Charles Oakley (C Swing 86/87)
 
C   - Dikembe Mutombo (99/00), Roy Hibbert (11-12)



Have at it ... I should have some time later today to discuss my and other teams, and all critique gets TPs, (even the anti-Anwser sentiment, haha).

This is about fantasy basketball, afterall, not off-court antics ... I mean, this is practice we're talkin' about, right? Practice? We're talkin' about practice?

Seriously? This isn't a game we're talkin' about, this is practice.

Practice?!?


(Working on my presentation ... should be ready by Wednesday)

;)


my team would love to play this team.

G - '95-96 Penny / '97-'98 Rod Strickland / '01-'02 Derek Fisher

G - '02 - '03 Doug Christie / '96 - '97 Nick Anderson

F - '97 - '98 G-Hill / '03 - '04 Tayshaun Prince /

F - '00 - '01 PJ Brown / '09 - '10 David Lee / '95 - '96 Tyrone Hill

C - '89 - '90 Chewing / '94 - '95 Rik Smits / '97 -'98 Luuuuuuuuuc Longley


Love my chances.
Love my chances as well ... good luck stopping the Answer and Richmond, or getting around a Deke, AK-47 and Amar'e defense.

Good luck stopping Ewing on the post, Penny and his ridiculous length advantage over AI and G-Hill who's a legit MVP contender in that year. Christie would at least slow Mitch the Idol. My team will might have a hard time against Amare's athleticism, but PJ Brown ain't no pushover either.

Mabuhay sir Bahku.
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SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: How's my Historical Team? (Awesome right!)
« Reply #193 on: June 11, 2012, 08:02:40 AM »

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I like the Nuggets in that matchup. 


You can't win this if your team doesn't play a team offense, and AI (who will have the ball in his hands) does not play team ball.  There is just to much offensive and defensive talent out there.

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« Reply #194 on: June 11, 2012, 08:04:18 AM »

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Ive got a PG who has the length and athleticism to guard Penny Straight up



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