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Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1860 on: June 07, 2012, 05:35:37 PM »

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I've really made some great picks. Thanks for noticing, you guys.

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1861 on: June 07, 2012, 05:36:14 PM »

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   11      12      (188)      4:55 PM      Magic (Start Orien) Kenyon Martin
   11      15      (191)      5:10 PM      Jazz (bdm860)  Nene
   11      16      (192)      5:15 PM      Heat (RebusRankin)

Two excellent picks. I am shocked that both lasted this long.

Especially Kenyon Martin who I think will be one of the best backup PFs in the league. Terrific defender, solid defender and solid offensive player. I thought he would have gone in 5th or 6th round. He would have been a very nice guy to round out someone's starting lineup.

Kenyon Martin was one of the main guys I was considering had I not taken Shawn Kemp and again considered strongly when drafting Serge Ibaka.
I strongly considered Martin instead of Barbosa, but don't actually think Martin is well suited in this type of situation.  He was never a very strong rebounder, has limited offensive moves, and while he was a good defender, I certainly wouldn't call him elite and he never made an All Defensive team.  In addition the years he was at best defensively he was a much more limited offensive player (often below 100 in ORTG).  He also was rarely healthy.  Just not the type of guy you really want coming off the bench.  Probably would have been fine as a starter (in a more shallow league), but not a good bench player.  Just my take and why I passed on him for Barbosa, who is definitely suited for a bench role.
I agree with a good deal of what you have said here especially the offense and rebounding. I disagree on the defense, I rate his defense a fair bit higher though. I rate him as an All-League caliber defender.

I thought the year that Kenyon made the All-Star team, he rebounded the ball very well that year. Prior to that season, he was definitely a so-so rebounder. Excellent job boxing people out and helping protect his defensive glass but poor at actually going out and grabbing the ball. That year, he took a big step forward with his game and especially on the glass when he started to grab a larger number of boards.

Kenyon Martin was definitely misplaced as a go-to scorer and I thought a lot of his inefficiency stemmed from that. In this setting, as more of a peripheral figure offensively (and I think he has the mentality to accept that), I think he'll be much more efficient. In large part because his athleticism and motor creates so many high percentage looks for him. Also, he is a sound passer and decision maker (well, when not being asked to force up shots because his team is so weak offensively).

That's not to say Kenyon still won't have some flaws offensively. He does. He is still a limited shot-creator and has a dodgy jump shot. Ideally, you'd want to keep him alongside a skilled center who can counter-balance those issues. Orlando have Divac and Webber as their centers so I think they can do that well. Not so much when they use Ratliff (another reason to drop him from the rotation).

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1862 on: June 07, 2012, 05:39:45 PM »

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With so much offensive talent on each team and shot-attempts hard to come by for many supporting players in this CB Historical League, I feel high level defender/rebounders are often the best choice to have coming off your bench.

That's why I love guys like Nate McMillan, Charles Oakley and the James Poseys of this league.

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« Reply #1863 on: June 07, 2012, 05:46:32 PM »

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With so much offensive talent on each team and shot-attempts hard to come by for many supporting players in this CB Historical League, I feel high level defender/rebounders are often the best choice to have coming off your bench.

That's why I love guys like Nate McMillan, Charles Oakley and the James Poseys of this league.
They do, but aside from McMillan I think most of those guys were taken way too early in this draft and a lot of teams missed out on a lot of talent to take a much more limited role player.  Sure you need them, but at the end of the day you win or lose because of you have greater talent not because you have greater role players (the role players can set teams apart that are close, but not bridge the gap in talent).
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

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« Reply #1864 on: June 07, 2012, 05:49:11 PM »

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With so much offensive talent on each team and shot-attempts hard to come by for many supporting players in this CB Historical League, I feel high level defender/rebounders are often the best choice to have coming off your bench.

That's why I love guys like Nate McMillan, Charles Oakley and the James Poseys of this league.
They do, but aside from McMillan I think most of those guys were taken way too early in this draft and a lot of teams missed out on a lot of talent to take a much more limited role player.  Sure you need them, but at the end of the day you win or lose because of you have greater talent not because you have greater role players (the role players can set teams apart that are close, but not bridge the gap in talent).

True in the actual NBA not in a league like this.

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« Reply #1865 on: June 07, 2012, 05:53:29 PM »

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Need to think since my guys were all taken, Perkins, Dale Davis etc.

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1866 on: June 07, 2012, 06:00:02 PM »

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Miami selects Anderson Varajao for rebounding, defense, toughness and his ability to p--- off other players.

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1867 on: June 07, 2012, 06:08:47 PM »

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Miami selects Anderson Varajao for rebounding, defense, toughness and his ability to p--- off other players.
Yay! Someone finally take Varejao. I think that was the last of his type gone now.

He was the guy I would have loved to have seen Boston add in this round. I thought he would have provided the right type of skill-set to round out that big man rotation.

Excellent pick.

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« Reply #1868 on: June 07, 2012, 06:09:43 PM »

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With so much offensive talent on each team and shot-attempts hard to come by for many supporting players in this CB Historical League, I feel high level defender/rebounders are often the best choice to have coming off your bench.

That's why I love guys like Nate McMillan, Charles Oakley and the James Poseys of this league.
They do, but aside from McMillan I think most of those guys were taken way too early in this draft and a lot of teams missed out on a lot of talent to take a much more limited role player.  Sure you need them, but at the end of the day you win or lose because of you have greater talent not because you have greater role players (the role players can set teams apart that are close, but not bridge the gap in talent).

If this is true I better start betting on the heat
CB Draft LA Lakers: Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews  6.11, 7.16, 8.14, 8.15, 9.16, 11.5, 11.16

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1869 on: June 08, 2012, 08:13:26 AM »

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With so much offensive talent on each team and shot-attempts hard to come by for many supporting players in this CB Historical League, I feel high level defender/rebounders are often the best choice to have coming off your bench.

That's why I love guys like Nate McMillan, Charles Oakley and the James Poseys of this league.
They do, but aside from McMillan I think most of those guys were taken way too early in this draft and a lot of teams missed out on a lot of talent to take a much more limited role player.  Sure you need them, but at the end of the day you win or lose because of you have greater talent not because you have greater role players (the role players can set teams apart that are close, but not bridge the gap in talent).

If this is true I better start betting on the heat
Different scenario because Boston has more non-role players than the Heat, but that apparently would have been a good bet last night.
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - D. Daniels, Mitchell, G. Wallace, Melo, Noah
Deep Bench - Korver, Turner

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« Reply #1870 on: June 08, 2012, 09:28:20 AM »

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Putting Theo Ratliff and Stephon Marbury on the block to get things started (,in here) this morning.

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1871 on: June 08, 2012, 09:36:34 AM »

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IP, when the board opens today can the subtitle be "(As Open as My Relationship with my wife)?"

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« Reply #1872 on: June 08, 2012, 10:00:19 AM »

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IP, when the board opens today can the subtitle be "(As Open as My Relationship with my wife)?"


Trying to get someone in trouble I see. 

Re: 2012 CB Historical Draft Board (Open, Willing, And Ready To Love)
« Reply #1873 on: June 08, 2012, 10:06:52 AM »

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For clarity, that's an Arrested Development quote

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« Reply #1874 on: June 08, 2012, 10:08:54 AM »

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For clarity, that's an Arrested Development quote

Tobias Fünke: My schedule however, is as open as my relationship with my wife.

CB Draft LA Lakers: Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews  6.11, 7.16, 8.14, 8.15, 9.16, 11.5, 11.16