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Re: Celtics pre-draft workouts
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2012, 09:41:34 AM »

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In the early 20s we need to swing for the fence. Remember Rondo was picked at 21 and Reggie Lewis was at 22. Both had major warts  Lewis was not considered a great ball handler and a so-so athlete while we all know Rondo could not shoot.

Now I am still researching but I think there are a few players that will fit that bill who most likely be there at 21 and 22. Royce White is my first guy I have come up with. I know anxiety disorder is a huge hurdle. It is an awful affliction and his fear of flying needs to be worked on along with his anxiety. Still, every report I read is that he would be a sure-fire top ten pick were it not for the anxiety. This guy can defend multiple positions, score, pass real well and seems like the kind of player that could fit into the Celtics locker room. He plays tough and attacks constantly.

His anxiety can be treated and a solid organization like the C's could provide a good "home" for him.

I am going to keep looking, Will Barton looks intriguing but may be a reach at 22.

I completely agree.

At this range its home run or fly out. We can't e playing safe. There a potentially good kids with baggage that should be getting a hard look.

Royce White and Fab Melo comes to mind. Both have baggages but are potentially valuable in the future. I would certainly like Melo for us. While there's a possibility that he can be a miss, the upside, especially defensively is sky high.

Will Barton too. The kid can get to the rim. Deadly mid range shooter. Good defender. But physically not ready, not by a long shot. But I would go as far to say that we should pick him as the 2nd first rounder before others steal him. Good two way player but has build strenght. It's home run or fly out with him as well.

But we're talking about late 20's picks here. So it shouldn't be a big gamble.
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Re: Celtics pre-draft workouts
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2012, 11:45:51 AM »

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I really don't hope that we draft Draymond Green with out first round picks..
The guy is TOO short to play PF in the NBA.
I can live with 6'8 but really 6'7?
I just can't imagine him going up against bigger Power Forwards in this league.

What if he were called a 3/4?  Then would you like him?  In reality, that's likely to be his role.  A 3 who sometimes plays the 4 depending upon who's on the floor.  The kid has everything else you could want -- passing skills, shooting, rebounding, defense, great work ethic, and that leadership rare enough that you don't find it in every draft.  As a Michigan fan, I hated him in college, but he'll be a great pro with a long career.

Now would I prefer it if DA were able to trade down 5 spots to pick him up?  Absolutely.  But he will make some team very happy for the next decade, and I hope it's us.

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« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2012, 12:10:33 PM »

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What if he were called a 3/4?  Then would you like him?  In reality, that's likely to be his role.  A 3 who sometimes plays the 4 depending upon who's on the floor.

I really like Green but I don't think he will succeed in the league trying to primarily play the 3. Based on the group he worked out with for the Celtics I would have to say the Cs view him as a small 4. Much like Milsap has done in the past Green maybe able to play spot minutes at the 3 in special situations but if he is making it in the league it will be as a PF.
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Re: Celtics pre-draft workouts
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2012, 12:41:57 PM »

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I really like Draymond Green and Andrew Nicholson with our picks.  I say we only pick Royce White if Danny chooses not to re-sign Jeff Green.  For the second round, it has to be a big, preferably Kyle O'Quinn.

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« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2012, 01:08:24 PM »

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I think Green can be a good rotational player in the NBA.  I'd be surprised if he's ever a starter, but he'll be a solid 7th/8th guy on a team.  If theres guys like Royce White or Tony Wroten available at 21/22 I think you have to pick them.  If the high potential guys are gone then Green would be a great pick.  He's not going to be a bust, he can shoot the three and rebound, he's just not all that athletic or big. 
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« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2012, 02:00:20 PM »

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Quincy Miller is my candidate for the "swing for the fences pick".

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7945641/2012-nba-draft-perry-jones-terrence-jones-prospects-stocks-rise-workouts

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Miller struggled as a freshman to fit in when Perry Jones returned from suspension and, at times, looked like he was still not 100 percent recovered from ACL surgery that took place during his senior season of high school. But several GMs said their scouts who tracked Miller in high school still believe he has the talent of a top-10 pick. "You watch the film and see the versatility and then you think, 'once he's 100 percent and has the full athletic ability back, you have to seriously consider him.' If he can hold his own or better against some older, more established prospects, there's no reason he couldn't go in the top 10. I think the workouts may be more important to him than any other player in the draft."

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« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2012, 03:58:31 PM »

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Quincy Miller is my candidate for the "swing for the fences pick".

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7945641/2012-nba-draft-perry-jones-terrence-jones-prospects-stocks-rise-workouts

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......If he can hold his own or better against some older, more established prospects, there's no reason he couldn't go in the top 10. I think the workouts may be more important to him than any other player in the draft."

Looking too good in the workouts is a duel-edged sword though. Yah, it makes us like him more and want to take a chance on him, but it also makes other teams who have better draft position like him more and be more willing to take a chance on him.

I hope his workouts aren't too great and we get a chance to draft him with that huge upside.

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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2012, 07:03:13 PM »

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Quincy Miller is my candidate for the "swing for the fences pick".

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7945641/2012-nba-draft-perry-jones-terrence-jones-prospects-stocks-rise-workouts

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......If he can hold his own or better against some older, more established prospects, there's no reason he couldn't go in the top 10. I think the workouts may be more important to him than any other player in the draft."

Looking too good in the workouts is a duel-edged sword though. Yah, it makes us like him more and want to take a chance on him, but it also makes other teams who have better draft position like him more and be more willing to take a chance on him.

I hope his workouts aren't too great and we get a chance to draft him with that huge upside.

It's a win win situation. Miller is a risky pick, if he goes higher than projected (late first/early second) someone with less potential, but still very solid slides. There are a few guys projected just a tad bit out of our range that I wouldn't mind picking. Miller is just one player I expect to be there when we pick.

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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2012, 07:58:09 PM »

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SEC picks for the win!  I think we need "bigs" more than guards but you have to take the best player available.

Re: Celtics pre-draft workouts
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2012, 01:54:57 AM »

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The workouts should be huge for Miller.  If he shows that his athleticism is back or coming back, then he could potentially be a late lottery selection.  He's just too skilled, tall and highly thought of in high school not to be a dark horse late lottery candidate if he shows well at workouts.  I thought a scout quoted in David Aldridge's draft series had a really quote about him, saying that the leg Miller tore his ACL looked like it atrophied, questioning his rehab.  If that was the one of the reasons why his athleticism looked so diminished, then perhaps there's hope that Miller will be able to fully recover with professional rehab.

Regarding Draymond, I don't think he's a 4 except for rare matchups.  He looked about Pierce's size, in the 6'6'-6'7 range with long arms but not quite the 6'8 to be a full time undersized PF.   

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« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2012, 09:55:40 AM »

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I would love Miller but I do not see him being there when we pick. I think he will be gone in the teens sadly.

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« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2012, 11:29:42 AM »

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I really like Draymond Green and Andrew Nicholson with our picks.  I say we only pick Royce White if Danny chooses not to re-sign Jeff Green.  For the second round, it has to be a big, preferably Kyle O'Quinn.

This is just me. But no matter how much of a hustler and a hard worker on the inside Kyle O'Quinn is, I think he'll have a hard time translating to the NBA physicality.

He was "man handled" by Florida's frontcourt (with an NBA prospect in Patric Young) during the tournament, and that tells me something.

While I don't mind giving him a shot, if available, I'd rather have Robert Sacre or Kenny Frease of Xavier.

Sacre has shown his stuff for years. Frease, very unathletic but he ain't no pushover on the inside. Bruiser.
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« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2012, 12:17:12 PM »

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I'm also starting to like Sacre, seems like a guy who in the NBA wont put up much in terms of stats but will give you solid size and post defense off the bench. He especially seems like he moves well laterally for 7' 260 giving a team a great pick and roll defender.
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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2012, 08:57:12 PM »

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I really don't hope that we draft Draymond Green with out first round picks..
The guy is TOO short to play PF in the NBA.
I can live with 6'8 but really 6'7?
I just can't imagine him going up against bigger Power Forwards in this league.

What if he were called a 3/4?  Then would you like him?  In reality, that's likely to be his role.  A 3 who sometimes plays the 4 depending upon who's on the floor.  The kid has everything else you could want -- passing skills, shooting, rebounding, defense, great work ethic, and that leadership rare enough that you don't find it in every draft.  As a Michigan fan, I hated him in college, but he'll be a great pro with a long career.

Now would I prefer it if DA were able to trade down 5 spots to pick him up?  Absolutely.  But he will make some team very happy for the next decade, and I hope it's us.
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« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »

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any Euro players that will fall because they wont be in the NBA until the year after next? players in that situation can be very good value. any bigs in that situation?