Tim Duncan Hates KG?

[wdleehi]

Since joining a real team (like Duncan's Spurs), KG is 4-3 against Duncan and averaging 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG.

Duncan had Robinson next to him in those early years and then he had Parker, Manu and Co. in the seasons after...

I'm not saying that Duncan isn't one of the greatest big men of all time,  but it's not like those SAS vs MIN match-ups were just Duncan vs. KG.

Exactly.

I still wonder from time to time how things would've been if KG had David Robinson, Manu or TP.


Or...if Tim Duncan had Sam Casell, Rasho Nesterovic, or Sprewell.......

In 2003, Tim Duncan's second leading scorer (Tony Parker) averaged 15.5 points per game, and 14.7 points in the playoffs.  Manu Ginobili averaged 7.6 points. I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on Duncan's supporting cast.  He was an individually great player who carried his teams to playoff success.

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention. They could stink it up the whole game but teams always know the possibility of either of them burning them with a game winning jumper

Who on KG's teams (besides that one year with Cassell and Sprewell) was ever as good as Parker and Ginobili? Why in the world would teams give attention to Troy Hudson or Nesterovic?

Its the same like this Heat-Pacers series. Bosh may not be putting up gawdy stats and the best player on the Heat, but missing him in the lineup has greatly affected the Heat. The attention Bosh gets gives Wade and James the spacing they need to dominate driving the lane

Duncan has had way more help as far as a supporting cast than KG. Theres no doubt about that

They hadn't earned that attention yet.



Why is this a shock?




Bird and Magic hated each other (before they did that commercial)

Jordan and Thomas.

[Potapenko Boxout]

If Tim Duncan hates you, you must not be liked by virtually anyone.

I think this really supports the notion that KG is a bully, punk, dirty, or whatever you want to call him.  I mean Tim Duncan hates you.  That says a great deal.

Since when is Duncan the pulse of the NBA?
Actions on the court shouldn't reflect the true personality of that person
Reservedness doesn't always mean humbleness

Who said anything about on the court?  Duncan is almost always respectful off the court as well.  BTW, most everyone that talks about him talks about how respectful and humble he is.  

Duncan is the biggest prick to refs in the league IMO. however he is still my favorite player

[OsirusCeltics]

Since joining a real team (like Duncan's Spurs), KG is 4-3 against Duncan and averaging 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG.

Duncan had Robinson next to him in those early years and then he had Parker, Manu and Co. in the seasons after...

I'm not saying that Duncan isn't one of the greatest big men of all time,  but it's not like those SAS vs MIN match-ups were just Duncan vs. KG.

Exactly.

I still wonder from time to time how things would've been if KG had David Robinson, Manu or TP.


Or...if Tim Duncan had Sam Casell, Rasho Nesterovic, or Sprewell.......

In 2003, Tim Duncan's second leading scorer (Tony Parker) averaged 15.5 points per game, and 14.7 points in the playoffs.  Manu Ginobili averaged 7.6 points. I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on Duncan's supporting cast.  He was an individually great player who carried his teams to playoff success.

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention. They could stink it up the whole game but teams always know the possibility of either of them burning them with a game winning jumper

Who on KG's teams (besides that one year with Cassell and Sprewell) was ever as good as Parker and Ginobili? Why in the world would teams give attention to Troy Hudson or Nesterovic?

Its the same like this Heat-Pacers series. Bosh may not be putting up gawdy stats and the best player on the Heat, but missing him in the lineup has greatly affected the Heat. The attention Bosh gets gives Wade and James the spacing they need to dominate driving the lane

Duncan has had way more help as far as a supporting cast than KG. Theres no doubt about that

They hadn't earned that attention yet.



Why is this a shock?




Bird and Magic hated each other (before they did that commercial)

Jordan and Thomas.

You know David Robinson was still on that team right? It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
So was Steve Kerr and Steven Jackson. Parker and Ginobili at any point in their careers would always be better than Troy Hudson and Nesterovic (who Garnett had to play with)

[CFAN38]

This is jumping way ahead but this post had me thinking how entertaing a Spurs vs Celtics would be. Great matchups.

Duncan vs KG
Parker vs Rondo
Pierce vs Leonard

[Roy H.]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Similarly, second year player Tony Parker shot 38.5% in the Finals that year.  Again, he wasn't the Finals MVP he'd later become.

[wdleehi]

Since joining a real team (like Duncan's Spurs), KG is 4-3 against Duncan and averaging 17 PPG, 8 RPG, 2 APG.

Duncan had Robinson next to him in those early years and then he had Parker, Manu and Co. in the seasons after...

I'm not saying that Duncan isn't one of the greatest big men of all time,  but it's not like those SAS vs MIN match-ups were just Duncan vs. KG.

Exactly.

I still wonder from time to time how things would've been if KG had David Robinson, Manu or TP.


Or...if Tim Duncan had Sam Casell, Rasho Nesterovic, or Sprewell.......

In 2003, Tim Duncan's second leading scorer (Tony Parker) averaged 15.5 points per game, and 14.7 points in the playoffs.  Manu Ginobili averaged 7.6 points. I think sometimes people put too much emphasis on Duncan's supporting cast.  He was an individually great player who carried his teams to playoff success.

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention. They could stink it up the whole game but teams always know the possibility of either of them burning them with a game winning jumper

Who on KG's teams (besides that one year with Cassell and Sprewell) was ever as good as Parker and Ginobili? Why in the world would teams give attention to Troy Hudson or Nesterovic?

Its the same like this Heat-Pacers series. Bosh may not be putting up gawdy stats and the best player on the Heat, but missing him in the lineup has greatly affected the Heat. The attention Bosh gets gives Wade and James the spacing they need to dominate driving the lane

Duncan has had way more help as far as a supporting cast than KG. Theres no doubt about that

They hadn't earned that attention yet.



Why is this a shock?




Bird and Magic hated each other (before they did that commercial)

Jordan and Thomas.

You know David Robinson was still on that team right? It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
So was Steve Kerr and Steven Jackson. Parker and Ginobili at any point in their careers would always be better than Troy Hudson and Nesterovic (who Garnett had to play with)

So you compare the best players that Duncan play with but not the best players KG played with?


I mean Duncan had Matt Bonner starting next to him. 

[OsirusCeltics]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that team. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

[wdleehi]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

I must have missed it.  Hudson was the best player KG had on his team until he got to Boston?

[StartOrien]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that team. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

I checked the numbers earlier, I think Kerr and Steve Smith averaged less than five minutes a game in the playoffs combined.

EDIT: I was wrong, but they didn't play much. Kerr was under five minutes a game and smith was under eight.

[indeedproceed]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that team. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

I checked the numbers earlier, I think Kerr and Steve Smith averaged less than five minutes a game in the playoffs combined.

EDIT: I was wrong, but they didn't play much. Kerr was under five minutes a game and smith was under eight.

I vaguely remember Steve Smith being important for the Spurs. Was it the Spurs?

[NoraG1]

Duncan also had the advantage of going to a team with a good coach and system in place. Spurs knew who to get around Duncan. Wolves...we know they didn't and still don't have any clue about such things.

[OsirusCeltics]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

I must have missed it.  Hudson was the best player KG had on his team until he got to Boston?

I said excluding that 2004 season. But even Sprewell and Cassell weren't exactly the awesome players themselves compared to Duncan's. So you're comparing 1 season were KG had reasonable players to a whole career of Duncan having great players around him? Thats comical

[celtsfan84]

I'm personally stunned that the 02-03 Wizards didn't win the NBA Championship, nevermind at least make the playoffs.

It was an old Michael Jordan, but still Michael Jordan.
It was an old Charles Oakley, but still Charles Oakley.
It was a young Brendan Haywood, but still Brendan Haywood.
It was a young Larry Hughes, but still Larry Hughes.

Stackhouse in his prime. Bryon Russell. Tyronn Lue. Christian Laettner. Jared Jeffries. Brian Cardinal.

The greatest of all-time (Jordan), two lower level all-stars (Oakley and Stackhouse), a solid starting center (Haywood), and several solid role players.

[wdleehi]

I wouldn't really go by those stats as evidence
Parker and Ginobili can average 5 points a game, but guess what, they are Parker and Ginobli
When they are on the floor, based on their pedigree, they demand attention.

That's liking saying that if Avery Bradley eventually turns into a star, that he was an impact player on our 2010-11 team.

You can't judge 2003 Ginobili based upon what he later became.  2003 Ginobili was a rookie who averaged 7.6 points, 2.3 rebounds, and 2.0 assists.  He simply wasn't an impact player.  He shot 34.7% in the Finals that year.  He wasn't exactly the difference maker.

Like I said in an earlier post, at any point of Ginobili or Parker's careers (rookie or veteran), they are better than Troy Hudson or Nesterovic

Also people forget David Robinson was on that. It was his last year, but he's still David Robinson
Plus they had Kerr, Steve Smith, and Steven Jackson on that 2003 championship team

I must have missed it.  Hudson was the best player KG had on his team until he got to Boston?

I said excluding that 2004 season. But even Sprewell and Cassell weren't exactly the awesome players themselves compared to Duncan's. So you're comparing 1 season were KG had reasonable players to a whole career of Duncan having great players around him? Thats comical

Is that the only year Wally was on the team?


The same year Billups was on the team? 


The same year Brandon was on the team?

The same year Tom Gugliotta was on the team?

[Moranis]

Via Chris Ballard (in a good piece on Duncan):

In fact, Duncan hates Kevin Garnett. Hates him the way liberals hate Sean Hannity. This information comes from very reliable sources, who talk about how KG has made a career of trying to punk Duncan, baiting him and slapping him and whispering really weird smack into his ear. They talk about how funny this is, because the worst thing you can do as an opponent is p--- off Duncan. Then, as Malik Rose says, "he f------ destroys you." Duncan's lifetime numbers versus Garnett's teams, by the way: 19.4 points per game, 11.6 boards and a 44--17 record, including the postseason.

Duncan is diplomatic about the topic. Asked if perhaps all those years battling Garnett have softened his feelings for the man, led to a Magic-Larry type of kinship, Duncan leans back on the couch in his hotel room and grins. There is a pause. A longer pause. Finally he says, "Define kinship."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1198491/3/index.htm

  Funny, it seems that I've read at least a hundred posts about how KG only picks on younger players and not the vet stars.

Duncan was in his second year (i think) when the slap happened.  Not exactly a veteran.