Tim Duncan Hates KG?

[NoraG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

That's fine. Everyone has their own opinion. There are so many ways to dissect this debate. It has been going on for years now. Kg also did not have a front office that had a clue on how to build around him, sadly. Spurs are one of the best at it. Duncan is definately more forunate in this regard.

[CelticG1]

For the people that automatically pick Duncan over KG how much will the pendulum swing if the Celts play the Spurs in the finals and win?

I think as long as KG plays a fairly prominent role it should swing to at least even. What do you think?

Would he need to get MVP or would that completely swing it? Would he have to shut down Duncan and still average 18-20? Would it really not do too much for you?

Its a long way away and maybe wont happen but god that'd be fun. And think of the type of motivation KG would have with the constant chatter about Duncan being better

It wouldn't make a difference.  This is not Duncan vs. KG in their prime.


In his prime, I consider Duncan the top PF to ever play and a top 10 player.  

In his peak, KG was the better overall player.

KG was more versatile, the better defender and rebounder.

Duncan has ZERO seasons with 30% def. rebounding while KG has 3. (Rodman had 9 straight, Howard has 4, Mutumbo 2, Ben Wallace & Love 1)

Come on now.  Anyone can cherry pick stats for one guy over the other.  For instance, KG has ZERO seasons with 10% off. rebounding while Duncan has 7.  

Yeah i know what you are saying but looking at that group (minus love) you have some of the best defensive players and rebounders of all time.

Does the 10% offense rebounding correlate to some of the best offense players of all time?

[celtsfan84]

For the people that automatically pick Duncan over KG how much will the pendulum swing if the Celts play the Spurs in the finals and win?

I think as long as KG plays a fairly prominent role it should swing to at least even. What do you think?

Would he need to get MVP or would that completely swing it? Would he have to shut down Duncan and still average 18-20? Would it really not do too much for you?

Its a long way away and maybe wont happen but god that'd be fun. And think of the type of motivation KG would have with the constant chatter about Duncan being better

It wouldn't make a difference.  This is not Duncan vs. KG in their prime.


In his prime, I consider Duncan the top PF to ever play and a top 10 player. 

In his peak, KG was the better overall player.

KG was more versatile, the better defender and rebounder.

Duncan has ZERO seasons with 30% def. rebounding while KG has 3. (Rodman had 9 straight, Howard has 4, Mutumbo 2, Ben Wallace & Love 1)

Come on now.  Anyone can cherry pick stats for one guy over the other.  For instance, KG has ZERO seasons with 10% off. rebounding while Duncan has 7. 

Yeah i know what you are saying but looking at that group (minus love) you have some of the best defensive players and rebounders of all time.

Does the 10% offense rebounding correlate to some of the best offense players of all time?

Shaquille, Hakeem, Moses, and Charles all went over 10% multiple times.  Pretty good list.

[NoraG1]

For the people that automatically pick Duncan over KG how much will the pendulum swing if the Celts play the Spurs in the finals and win?

I think as long as KG plays a fairly prominent role it should swing to at least even. What do you think?

Would he need to get MVP or would that completely swing it? Would he have to shut down Duncan and still average 18-20? Would it really not do too much for you?

Its a long way away and maybe wont happen but god that'd be fun. And think of the type of motivation KG would have with the constant chatter about Duncan being better

It wouldn't make a difference.  This is not Duncan vs. KG in their prime.


In his prime, I consider Duncan the top PF to ever play and a top 10 player. 

In his peak, KG was the better overall player.

KG was more versatile, the better defender and rebounder.

Duncan has ZERO seasons with 30% def. rebounding while KG has 3. (Rodman had 9 straight, Howard has 4, Mutumbo 2, Ben Wallace & Love 1)

Come on now.  Anyone can cherry pick stats for one guy over the other.  For instance, KG has ZERO seasons with 10% off. rebounding while Duncan has 7. 

Yeah i know what you are saying but looking at that group (minus love) you have some of the best defensive players and rebounders of all time.

Does the 10% offense rebounding correlate to some of the best offense players of all time?

Shaquille, Hakeem, Moses, and Charles all went over 10% multiple times.  Pretty good list.

Most of these players are centers. Which makes a good case that Duncan was really a Center. Just a thought.

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

That's fine. Everyone has their own opinion. There are so many ways to dissect this debate. It has been going on for years now. Kg also did not have a front office that had a clue on how to build around him, sadly. Spurs are one of the best at it. Duncan is definately more forunate in this regard.

No doubt.  But as you mentioned, everyone has their own opinion as to how fortunate and how much of a difference that should have made to their legacies.  Duncan's roster shouldn't impact KG's ability to beat the Sonics, Blazers, or Rockets though.

The two are very close on the all-time scale.  Personally, I have Duncan in my top 10, Garnett in my top 25.  Both all-time greats.

[celtsfan84]

For the people that automatically pick Duncan over KG how much will the pendulum swing if the Celts play the Spurs in the finals and win?

I think as long as KG plays a fairly prominent role it should swing to at least even. What do you think?

Would he need to get MVP or would that completely swing it? Would he have to shut down Duncan and still average 18-20? Would it really not do too much for you?

Its a long way away and maybe wont happen but god that'd be fun. And think of the type of motivation KG would have with the constant chatter about Duncan being better

It wouldn't make a difference.  This is not Duncan vs. KG in their prime.


In his prime, I consider Duncan the top PF to ever play and a top 10 player. 

In his peak, KG was the better overall player.

KG was more versatile, the better defender and rebounder.

Duncan has ZERO seasons with 30% def. rebounding while KG has 3. (Rodman had 9 straight, Howard has 4, Mutumbo 2, Ben Wallace & Love 1)

Come on now.  Anyone can cherry pick stats for one guy over the other.  For instance, KG has ZERO seasons with 10% off. rebounding while Duncan has 7. 

Yeah i know what you are saying but looking at that group (minus love) you have some of the best defensive players and rebounders of all time.

Does the 10% offense rebounding correlate to some of the best offense players of all time?

Shaquille, Hakeem, Moses, and Charles all went over 10% multiple times.  Pretty good list.

Most of these players are centers. Which makes a good case that Duncan was really a Center. Just a thought.

Well, Karl Malone hit 10% twice and Charles went over 10% multiple times.  Shawn Kemp went over 10 ten different times.  It is certainly doable for a power forward too.

[drza44]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

[NoraG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

That's fine. Everyone has their own opinion. There are so many ways to dissect this debate. It has been going on for years now. Kg also did not have a front office that had a clue on how to build around him, sadly. Spurs are one of the best at it. Duncan is definately more forunate in this regard.

No doubt.  But as you mentioned, everyone has their own opinion as to how fortunate and how much of a difference that should have made to their legacies.  Duncan's roster shouldn't impact KG's ability to beat the Sonics, Blazers, or Rockets though.

The two are very close on the all-time scale.  Personally, I have Duncan in my top 10, Garnett in my top 25.  Both all-time greats.

Yes but it also did not mean the teams around KG were any better no matter what team he faced. Wolves were always lower seeded because they were less talented team other then KG.  

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

[CelticG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yeah i don't get this point either. Isn't the whole argument that KG was on really crappy teams?

If you think subbing Duncan for KG and you win those series awesome. I don't agree in the least (I think they'd be worse) but at least say something definitive instead of "KG couldn't do it with the Wolves and Duncan could with the Spurs"

What does that mean? You aren't even arguing anything with that

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yeah i don't get this point either. Isn't the whole argument that KG was on really crappy teams?

If you think subbing Duncan for KG and you win those series awesome. I don't agree in the least (I think they'd be worse) but at least say something definitive instead of "KG couldn't do it with the Wolves and Duncan could with the Spurs"

What does that mean? You aren't even arguing anything with that

My statement is that the gap in quality of surrounding players isn't as big as some think it is and that KG could've carried his team to one series win or pulled off one upset.  Mutombo beat a similar (better actually) Sonics team with LaPhonso Ellis as his second best player.  There are dozens of times in league history where an elite player carried his team to a win over a better squad.  LeBron did it in Cleveland with regularity.  He beat the Pistons in 2007 with the Pistons having 5 of the 6 best players in the series, for instance. Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun, Rasheed, and McDyess were better than anyone on the 07 Cavs.  KG playhed with lesser talent but he wasn't exactly playing 1 on 5.

If there is something from one of my posts you need explained or need further clarification on, I'd be glad to explain it.  If my post doesn't add any value to you, critiquing my post likely adds less value.  Feel free to ignore it if necessary.

[drza44]

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

The issue I have is that you're parsing a very specific part of Garnett's career and ignoring the rest.  Garnett has been the best player on multiple teams that has gone past the first round, has led his team past squads with better records or were favored to win.  This line of criticism that essentially calls for us to pretend that Garnett's career ended in 2007, or in 2000, is odd.

And that said, it is EXCEEDINGLY unlikely that Duncan would have led those Wolves past any of those teams.  It's possible, but unlikely.  And it has to be a two-way street...while it's possible that Duncan may have had more success with Garnett's Wolves, it's just as likely that Garnett may have had more success with Duncan's Spurs.  If we're going to play "what if", we have to go in both directions.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yeah i don't get this point either. Isn't the whole argument that KG was on really crappy teams?

If you think subbing Duncan for KG and you win those series awesome. I don't agree in the least (I think they'd be worse) but at least say something definitive instead of "KG couldn't do it with the Wolves and Duncan could with the Spurs"

What does that mean? You aren't even arguing anything with that

My statement is that the gap in quality of surrounding players isn't as big as some think it is and that KG could've carried his team to one series win or pulled off one upset.  Mutombo beat a similar (better actually) Sonics team.

If there is something from one of my posts you need explained, I'd be glad to explain it.

There's plenty of gap in quality of players, and more than that in coaching.

I'm still getting a kick out of all that Wally mentions. Did you guys forget who this guy really is? A very inconsistent player who plays zero defense.

It's Ray Allen, who plays much superior defense and is a better offensive weapon, and there are a lot of people who seem it fit to bench him. And yet we want to credit him for being a great asset to have alongside Garnett? Please.

[NoraG1]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening. KG had to do EVERYTHING for his team. Too bad he is human and showed it in that game.

[celtsfan84]

I don't know if the gap was far enough for their relative team performance.  Duncan's teams had better talent, yes, but they didn't exactly squeak by Garnett's Wolves teams.  One franchise won 4 rings while the other took almost a decade to get out of the first round.  Heck, Pierce made it out of the first round with worse teams.

Pierce played in the East. If KG played in the East he would have  gotten out of the first round. West was way better then the East. Kobe, Shaq, Duncan just to name a few..These are the teams KG played against in the 1st round. You have to have more talent then KG had around him most of the time to beat these teams

Also no teammate on the Wolves teams were ever as good as Antione Walker

We should probably mention that KG's early first round losses were to the Rockets, Sonics, and Blazers.  No Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan there. And Gugliotta and Marbury weren't that bad in his earlier days.

KG's teammates were lesser than Duncan's.  No doubt.  But the gap isn't as wide as some would make it out to be.

You mean the 57-win Rockets that featured Olajuwon, Barkley and Drexler?

Or the 61-win Sonics featuring Gary Payton and All NBA (pre-alcohol) Vin Baker?

You're actually incorrect, as the third Wolves first-round loss was to the Tim Duncan/David Robinson-led Spurs that won the title.

And that Portland team that you mentioned also won 59 games, was dumbly stacked with talent, and came within an epic game-7/4th-quarter choke against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers of a ring.

You can't possibly be suggesting that the talent on those Wolves was anywhere near that of their early opponents...right?

Yes, the Sonics, Blazers, and Rockets were all better than the Wolves.  But it wouldn't have been impossible to imagine Duncan carrying a team with Marbury and Gugliotta past one of those teams.  Just one series win.  That's all I ask. A superstar is allowed to carry his team to a series win over a better team once.

I believe Garnett went 3 for 11 with 10 turnovers in the final game against the Sonics.  Those Sonics teams were known to choke in the playoffs. Ask Dikembe.  Please don't tell me that Dikembe's Nuggets were better than the Kemp/Payton 60+ win Sonics.  I remember those Sonics teams clearly.

Too bad we could no see that scenario. You can imagine all you want but I can also imagine it not happening.

Mutombo's Nuggets upsetting the Sonics was not imagined.  It was very real.

And Duncan took less than the max to stay in San Antonio to allow them to get better players.  In the year the KG made 28 million, Duncan made 12.  So if Duncan was on the Wolves, he'd havea  better supporting cast anyway instead of an extra mansion or two.