If you got Shumpert, Fields, and Lin would you take on Amare

[wdleehi]

If the Knicks can Amar'e for free would they do so? How improved would their flexibility be to improve their roster then?

It puts them closer to 42 million.  

[wdleehi]

I'd consider it, but Shumpert/Fields are more interesting to me than Lin given that we have Rondo right now.

Still too expensive of a chance for two role playing SG/SF.  Both could end up coming off the bench on the Celtics team. 

[alajet]

If the Wiz can get the Knicks to to Blatche, I could see them rolling that die. 

Blatche should be partnered with Cousins and you have a formidable Twin Blockhead Towers. Come on Kings/Wizards. Make it real.

[Moranis]

New York wouldn't give up Lin to move Amare in a cap dump.

Slight chance they move the other two but more likely only one of the two.

probably right on Lin, but they aren't going to move Amare without giving up talent because of his contract. 

That was my first inclination too but after looking at some of the teams with cap room this summer, I think NY may be able to move him to one of those teams at that time.

If they pass up that opportunity and wait til later on, either mid-season or next summer, I agree, I think it'll cost them other assets to move Amare.

Yeah but next summer Amare has one year and then one option year left on his deal and if he stays healthy next year, I think he will actually be fairly movable next summer.  If they want to move him now, they have to give up value as I can't see any of the teams with cap space wanting Amare as Amare won't really help them (New Jersey might by the only exception as they want a star going to Brooklyn).  

The Knicks are something like 13-7 with Melo and no Amare, are .500 with Amare and no Melo, and are well below .500 when they both play.  They need to move one and Amare makes the most sense from the Knicks perspective (Melo is just flat out the better player and is the better fit).

[Moranis]

If you're not sold on Lin because he only looked good in half of 1 shortened season, then why would you support Bradley?  Lin looked like a borderline all star for a few months, and was never considered a bust before that. Bradley just looked like a capable starter for a few months, and looked like a complete bust the year and a half prior.  Both have shown potential, but I dont think either has really proven anything.

If I could give up Allen, Bass, Moore, and JJJ to get Amare, Lin, fields, and Shump, I'd do it in a second.  Shump would be a beast running with rondo, scoring for the 2nd unit. He'd also make a great defensive backcourt alongside rondo or Bradley.  Fields is having an off year, but prior to this year he looked great on both ends.  If Lin comes back from injury ok, he might be the best backup PG in the league...worst case he sells tickets, and is great trade bait to a team with attendance issues.  I think getting Amare, shump, lin, and fields now would be a steal...getting them for Allen (whose leaving) + Bass (whose going to be overpaid)the perfect buy low, sell highvset up.

That's the reason I'm not sold on Bradley, either. But he's our asset at the moment, and I'm not going to exchange him with Shumpert, who thinks way too highly of himself even as a rookie.
Even if we thought that Shumpert and obviously, from a marketing perspective, Lin are good additions, Amare shouldn't be mentioned at all in any kind of trade conversations.
Why would NY try to get rid of an all-star plus three young players for only Ray and back-up material in Bass? If such trade was to happen, that would only happen because NY was so desperate to kick Amare out of their huddle.
What a huge favor it would have been for the Knicks by the Celtics..

because getting rid of Amare frees up a lot of flexibility for the Knicks, say they give Bass 2 years/16 million and Allen 1 year/10 million.  They then would actually be a position to add a real player in a season or two or could trade Allen at the deadline for some help that way.  Amare and Melo make over 40 million a year for the next 3 years.  Chandler is another 15 million on top of that.  The Knicks can't do anything with those three so they really need to move one of them and in that Amare makes by far the most sense from the Knicks perspective.  Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway. 

[guava_wrench]

I would never take on Amare. Too much of a financial risk.

Shumpert is a nice talent defensively, but Fields and Lin are pretty average and nothing to get excited about.

[guava_wrench]

Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway. 

Weren't they a better team before they traded for Melo? They have never been as successful with Melo as they were with just Amare.

[Fafnir]

Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway. 

Weren't they a better team before they traded for Melo? They have never been as successful with Melo as they were with just Amare.

Before the Melo trade they were only 28-26.

[CelticG1]

Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway. 

Weren't they a better team before they traded for Melo? They have never been as successful with Melo as they were with just Amare.

good point and Amare was doing it with a lot less sporting cast

[Donoghus]

I wouldn't take on Amare due to the money but if I were the Knicks, I'd seriously explore moving him.

[BballTim]

Obviously Amare has a massive uninsurable contract, but it is just 3 years and he has been relatively healthy and is an excellent offensive player.  That said it would be a cap killer, but if you also got Shumpert, Fields, and Lin, would you take on Amare.

  Isn't Amare still dealing with back issues?

[BballTim]

What is the point of adding youth into backcourt? Rondo is 26 and Bradley is 21. I don't know.
I'm not that high on any of the players mentioned. Fields lacks talent, Shumpert and Amare have hardly the strongest IQ around the league. Lin is the most level-headed one, but I'm not sold on his purple patch in one half of a condensed season. He is way too turnover prone to maneuver an offense also.  

If you're not sold on Lin because he only looked good in half of 1 shortened season, then why would you support Bradley?  Lin looked like a borderline all star for a few months, and was never considered a bust before that. Bradley just looked like a capable starter for a few months, and looked like a complete bust the year and a half prior.  Both have shown potential, but I dont think either has really proven anything.

  How is the player who *didn't* get cut from multiple teams the one who was considered a bust?

[guava_wrench]

Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway. 

Weren't they a better team before they traded for Melo? They have never been as successful with Melo as they were with just Amare.

Before the Melo trade they were only 28-26.

And they ended the season 42-40. That means 14-14 with Melo.

So what did Melo add?

[Moranis]

Frankly, the Knicks have been a better team without Amare (and with Melo) anyway.  

Weren't they a better team before they traded for Melo? They have never been as successful with Melo as they were with just Amare.

On ESPN Radio this morning, they said that the Knicks in the last two seasons have been (and I'm going from memory, so I may not be exact here) 13-7 with Anthony playing and Stoudemire out.  They were 31-31 with Stoudemire playing and no Anthony (this obviously includes the time before the trade).  They were well below .500 when both played.

[CFAN38]

to answer the question, Yes i would take amare. He would be a huge risk and there is no way short for trading pierce or Rondo that I can see a deal working. Giving up either would make the trade pointless.


As for the Knicks they have created a mess of a roster. Chandler is a great defensive 5. After that you have scoring first 3/4 in melo, a scoring first 4/5 in amare, and a scoring PG in Linn. That makes 3 of your top 4 players defensive liabilities who dont really create for others. To make matters worse Melo and Linn are both super popular and unlikely to be traded without major backlash from the fans. Amare is highly paid for 3 more years and a huge injury risk.

I honestly don't know where they start with cleaning up this team. But here is my shot at it

Trade Linn to Toronto (deal with the fan hate)

For Calderon and a future first (or possibly get toronto at 8 to trade down to to houston at 14 + 16, then the 14th goes to NY)

Trade Amare to option A.Detriot option B Orlando

For A. Detriot T Prince, Charlie V, and a filler

For B. Orlando S&T Ryan Anderson and H Turkoglu

both A + B involve taking on bad contracts but thats the price of shedding amare.

2013 Knicks
option A
Chandler
Melo
Prince
Shumpert
Calderon
6th JR SMith
7th Fields
8th Novak
9th Charlie V

2013 Knicks
option B

Chandler
Anderson
Melo
Shumpert
Calderon
6th JR SMith
7th Turkaglu
8th Fields
9th Novak

Neither option great but definitely better then what they have. If the calderon deal involved a 2012 first rd pick then it would give the knicks a chance to grab a good youg PF. Henson, Jones etc in the draft.