If you got Shumpert, Fields, and Lin would you take on Amare

[Moranis]

Obviously Amare has a massive uninsurable contract, but it is just 3 years and he has been relatively healthy and is an excellent offensive player.  That said it would be a cap killer, but if you also got Shumpert, Fields, and Lin, would you take on Amare.  Say you just trade Allen and Bass in sign and trades (maybe throw in Moore as well).  C's then bring back KG and Jeff Green

That would give the Celtics the following rotation/team

PG - Rondo, Lin
SG - Bradley, Shumpert, Fields
SF - Pierce, Fields, Green
PF - Stoudemire, Green, Johnson
C - Garnett, Stiemsma

plus whatever you get from the 2 firsts.

Is that a trade you would make?  Amare seems to solve a lot of the interior scoring problems and he is still a fairly decent rebounder.  Lin, Shumpert, and Fields add a lot of solid youth to the backcourt and wing positions.  Obviously the cap space is killed, but the Celtics would be a significantly better team next year than the status quo.  Would you do that assuming the Knicks would (and they might given Bass is a lesser but cheaper insurable version of Amare and Allen provides the long range spot up shooter that would be perfect next to Anthony).

[Who]

New York wouldn't give up Lin to move Amare in a cap dump.

Slight chance they move the other two but more likely only one of the two.

[wdleehi]

No.


3 more years of Amare is to big of a risk.  His contract will kill roster flexibility.  


Those other players, while nice, are not worth the money Amare is earning.

[Who]

I don't think New York breaks up their nucleus this off-season.

I expect them to give it another year first. See what Mike Woodson can do with them after a full season with a training camp. See if he can make them work together before considering breaking them up.

[alajet]

What is the point of adding youth into backcourt? Rondo is 26 and Bradley is 21. I don't know.
I'm not that high on any of the players mentioned. Fields lacks talent, Shumpert and Amare have hardly the strongest IQ around the league. Lin is the most level-headed one, but I'm not sold on his purple patch in one half of a condensed season. He is way too turnover prone to maneuver an offense also.  

[drax]

The things is NY is not letting Lin go and even if they do it they want Rondo in return. A package not including a PG NY despertly need (if they give up Lin) is not going to happen.

Though, I like the idea of Fields as a Celtic. Hes a UFA, so if we want to add some youth and an other good defender to our backcourt, id be all in if the price is right.

If DA can manage to pull all of youre ideas (NY trade including Lin + resign KG, Green, Stiemsma), id pull the trigger instantly. But i dont see it happen.

 

[Who]

I wonder if Phoenix would take back Amare the off-season. They are far enough under the cap to do so.

The NJ Nets would probably do so if Deron Williams left. Maybe Portland or Sacramento. L.Aldridge, Amare and Batum frontcourt or a Tyreke, Amare and Cousins trio with several young players developing around them.

Slight chance of Houston doing so. The Rockets are pretty desperate for a big name if Amare makes the cut for them. I wonder about the Wizards. Nene, Amare, Wall and a top five pick would give them an interesting nucleus to build around.

There are quite a few teams under the cap this summer and it's a weak free agent market. Good chance New York could off-load Amare in a straight cap dump (without losing any other young talent or picks) to one of those teams.

[Moranis]

New York wouldn't give up Lin to move Amare in a cap dump.

Slight chance they move the other two but more likely only one of the two.

probably right on Lin, but they aren't going to move Amare without giving up talent because of his contract. 

[dtrader]

What is the point of adding youth into backcourt? Rondo is 26 and Bradley is 21. I don't know.
I'm not that high on any of the players mentioned. Fields lacks talent, Shumpert and Amare have hardly the strongest IQ around the league. Lin is the most level-headed one, but I'm not sold on his purple patch in one half of a condensed season. He is way too turnover prone to maneuver an offense also.  

If you're not sold on Lin because he only looked good in half of 1 shortened season, then why would you support Bradley?  Lin looked like a borderline all star for a few months, and was never considered a bust before that. Bradley just looked like a capable starter for a few months, and looked like a complete bust the year and a half prior.  Both have shown potential, but I dont think either has really proven anything.

If I could give up Allen, Bass, Moore, and JJJ to get Amare, Lin, fields, and Shump, I'd do it in a second.  Shump would be a beast running with rondo, scoring for the 2nd unit. He'd also make a great defensive backcourt alongside rondo or Bradley.  Fields is having an off year, but prior to this year he looked great on both ends.  If Lin comes back from injury ok, he might be the best backup PG in the league...worst case he sells tickets, and is great trade bait to a team with attendance issues.  I think getting Amare, shump, lin, and fields now would be a steal...getting them for Allen (whose leaving) + Bass (whose going to be overpaid)the perfect buy low, sell highvset up.

[Who]

New York wouldn't give up Lin to move Amare in a cap dump.

Slight chance they move the other two but more likely only one of the two.

probably right on Lin, but they aren't going to move Amare without giving up talent because of his contract. 

That was my first inclination too but after looking at some of the teams with cap room this summer, I think NY may be able to move him to one of those teams at that time.

If they pass up that opportunity and wait til later on, either mid-season or next summer, I agree, I think it'll cost them other assets to move Amare.

[wdleehi]

I wonder if Phoenix would take back Amare the off-season. They are far enough under the cap to do so.

The NJ Nets would probably do so if Deron Williams left. Maybe Portland or Sacramento. L.Aldridge, Amare and Batum frontcourt or a Tyreke, Amare and Cousins trio with several young players developing around them.

Slight chance of Houston doing so. The Rockets are pretty desperate for a big name if Amare makes the cut for them. I wonder about the Wizards. Nene, Amare, Wall and a top five pick would give them an interesting nucleus to build around.

There are quite a few teams under the cap this summer and it's a weak free agent market. Good chance New York could off-load Amare in a straight cap dump (without losing any other young talent or picks) to one of those teams.

No way Portland does that.  They have two recent injury burns (Oden and Roy) that will make them say "no thanks"


If the Wiz can get the Knicks to to Blatche, I could see them rolling that die. 

[Who]

I wonder if Phoenix would take back Amare the off-season. They are far enough under the cap to do so.

The NJ Nets would probably do so if Deron Williams left. Maybe Portland or Sacramento. L.Aldridge, Amare and Batum frontcourt or a Tyreke, Amare and Cousins trio with several young players developing around them.

Slight chance of Houston doing so. The Rockets are pretty desperate for a big name if Amare makes the cut for them. I wonder about the Wizards. Nene, Amare, Wall and a top five pick would give them an interesting nucleus to build around.

There are quite a few teams under the cap this summer and it's a weak free agent market. Good chance New York could off-load Amare in a straight cap dump (without losing any other young talent or picks) to one of those teams.

No way Portland does that.  They have two recent injury burns (Oden and Roy) that will make them say "no thanks"


If the Wiz can get the Knicks to to Blatche, I could see them rolling that die. 

Good point. Scratch Portland from the list.

[Fafnir]

If the Knicks can Amar'e for free would they do so? How improved would their flexibility be to improve their roster then?

[Fafnir]

I'd consider it, but Shumpert/Fields are more interesting to me than Lin given that we have Rondo right now.

[alajet]

If you're not sold on Lin because he only looked good in half of 1 shortened season, then why would you support Bradley?  Lin looked like a borderline all star for a few months, and was never considered a bust before that. Bradley just looked like a capable starter for a few months, and looked like a complete bust the year and a half prior.  Both have shown potential, but I dont think either has really proven anything.

If I could give up Allen, Bass, Moore, and JJJ to get Amare, Lin, fields, and Shump, I'd do it in a second.  Shump would be a beast running with rondo, scoring for the 2nd unit. He'd also make a great defensive backcourt alongside rondo or Bradley.  Fields is having an off year, but prior to this year he looked great on both ends.  If Lin comes back from injury ok, he might be the best backup PG in the league...worst case he sells tickets, and is great trade bait to a team with attendance issues.  I think getting Amare, shump, lin, and fields now would be a steal...getting them for Allen (whose leaving) + Bass (whose going to be overpaid)the perfect buy low, sell highvset up.

That's the reason I'm not sold on Bradley, either. But he's our asset at the moment, and I'm not going to exchange him with Shumpert, who thinks way too highly of himself even as a rookie.
Even if we thought that Shumpert and obviously, from a marketing perspective, Lin are good additions, Amare shouldn't be mentioned at all in any kind of trade conversations.
Why would NY try to get rid of an all-star plus three young players for only Ray and back-up material in Bass? If such trade was to happen, that would only happen because NY was so desperate to kick Amare out of their huddle.
What a huge favor it would have been for the Knicks by the Celtics..