Metta World Peace / Artest Cheap Shot (merged threads)

[CoachCowens]

Feb. 21, 2001: As a Chicago Bull, one game for his role in an in-game altercation with the Milwaukee Bucks' Glenn Robinson
Jan. 4, 2003: As an Indiana Pacer, three games for throwing a television monitor and a cameraman's camera onto the floor following the conclusion of a game vs. the New York Knicks.
Jan. 29, 2003: With the Pacers, four games for confronting and making physical contact with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley, for taunting the Miami bench, for committing a flagrant foul-2 on Caron Butler (pushing him into the stands) and making an obscene gesture toward fans.
March 9, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 13, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 20, 2003: With the Pacers, two games for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for hitting the Portland Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.
April 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for leaving the immediate vicinity of his team's bench during an altercation.
Nov. 21, 2004: With the Pacers, 73 games (and 13 games during the team's playoff run) for his role in an in-game incident between Indiana and the Detroit Pistons.
April 24, 2006: With the Kings, one game for making contact with the head of San Antonio Spur Manu Ginobili with his forearm.
July 14, 2007: With the Kings, seven games for pleading "nolo contendre" to infliction of injury on a spouse.
May 5, 2011: With the Lakers, one game for swinging his arm and striking the face of the Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea.

9 Incidents from 2001-2004.. 3 Incidents from 2006-2011.. Plus this one against Harden.

He's changed a lot.  Cut him some slack.. Not saying he doesnt deserve a suspension, but you guys are trying to make him look like a demon, regardless of how much he's cleaned up his act recently.

Those are just the action that caused suspensions. He has plenty of questionable actions that didn't cause a suspension.

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

Feb. 21, 2001: As a Chicago Bull, one game for his role in an in-game altercation with the Milwaukee Bucks' Glenn Robinson
Jan. 4, 2003: As an Indiana Pacer, three games for throwing a television monitor and a cameraman's camera onto the floor following the conclusion of a game vs. the New York Knicks.
Jan. 29, 2003: With the Pacers, four games for confronting and making physical contact with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley, for taunting the Miami bench, for committing a flagrant foul-2 on Caron Butler (pushing him into the stands) and making an obscene gesture toward fans.
March 9, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 13, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 20, 2003: With the Pacers, two games for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for hitting the Portland Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.
April 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for leaving the immediate vicinity of his team's bench during an altercation.
Nov. 21, 2004: With the Pacers, 73 games (and 13 games during the team's playoff run) for his role in an in-game incident between Indiana and the Detroit Pistons.
April 24, 2006: With the Kings, one game for making contact with the head of San Antonio Spur Manu Ginobili with his forearm.
July 14, 2007: With the Kings, seven games for pleading "nolo contendre" to infliction of injury on a spouse.
May 5, 2011: With the Lakers, one game for swinging his arm and striking the face of the Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea.

9 Incidents from 2001-2004.. 3 Incidents from 2006-2011.. Plus this one against Harden.

He's changed a lot.  Cut him some slack.. Not saying he doesnt deserve a suspension, but you guys are trying to make him look like a demon, regardless of how much he's cleaned up his act recently.

Those are just the action that caused suspensions. He has plenty of questionable actions that didn't cause a suspension.

Every player has had questionable actions that didn't cause a suspension.  But looking at his suspension history, its clear he's changed a lot.

[dtrader]

I think that dtrader might be related to Ron:-)))

****. I know right. I didn't expect to be in the majority, but I didn't expect so many crazy responses either. Saying Artest knew exactly what he'd hit swinging backwards because he's a basketball player, and they see differently than most people is funny as heck.

Do you guys really think pierce intended to punch the ref that time? I mean..he's a basket player. His vision is way better than most people. He would've known exactly where he would hit. Fact is athletes get emotional and physical. Stuff happens. Ron was wrong, but Ive watched multiple times and I saw it different. I saw it pretty much like my cousin...I mean, Ron Artest said lol.

You know what's funny as heck, you not seeing the difference of being in a zone CELEBRATING and someone INTENTIONALLY cocking back to deliver a blow! Now, that's funny!

Artest was in the moment celebrating his dunk. He continued celebrating pounding his chest even after the elbow. So...I still haven't heard a reason why the pierce punch wasn't worse.

Really? You honestly think he was just celebrating? So if he was celebrating why was his movement after the first chest bump and last chest bump TOTALLY different? The last chest bump was done just so he can use it as an excuse that you obviously fell for! No one goes from chest bumping themselves to a full on cock and release to someone's head to chest bump again, when you are in a zone of celebration there is almost a pattern to the "madness". He knew he hit Harden but went into chest pounding the 3rd time in an effort to pretend he was only celebrating! If you think he accidentally did a TOTALLY different move (the cock back and elbow to the head) and went back to what he was doing previously then Ron did exactly what he intended, fooled the...


let me stop here...

Lol.  You're saying that even in the heat of the moment while jumping around celebrating, Artest was consciously thinking about how he should adjust his movements to appear more Emotional than he was? He was making calculated chest bumps to fool everyone? If that's really the most rational explanation for why he kept chest bumping after the elbow, then I think you have a far better opinion of Artest than I do. I dont think he was trying to take hardens head off, but i definitely don't think he's as thoughtful and calculating in his actions as you.

As far as the Paul pierce punch comparison...I'm saying that Pauls action (the punch) was worse than arrests (if you assume as some posters seem to, that athletes vision is good enough to see what they're not actually looking at).  The punishment or lack thereof says nothing to that comparison.  If 2 people commit murder and one isn't punished, it doesn't mean he was innocent.

[indeedproceed]

Feb. 21, 2001: As a Chicago Bull, one game for his role in an in-game altercation with the Milwaukee Bucks' Glenn Robinson
Jan. 4, 2003: As an Indiana Pacer, three games for throwing a television monitor and a cameraman's camera onto the floor following the conclusion of a game vs. the New York Knicks.
Jan. 29, 2003: With the Pacers, four games for confronting and making physical contact with Miami Heat coach Pat Riley, for taunting the Miami bench, for committing a flagrant foul-2 on Caron Butler (pushing him into the stands) and making an obscene gesture toward fans.
March 9, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 13, 2003: With the Pacers, one game for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 20, 2003: With the Pacers, two games for again exceeding the maximum allowable flagrant foul points in a season.
March 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for hitting the Portland Trail Blazers' Derek Anderson in the head with a forearm.
April 19, 2004: With the Pacers, one game for leaving the immediate vicinity of his team's bench during an altercation.
Nov. 21, 2004: With the Pacers, 73 games (and 13 games during the team's playoff run) for his role in an in-game incident between Indiana and the Detroit Pistons.
April 24, 2006: With the Kings, one game for making contact with the head of San Antonio Spur Manu Ginobili with his forearm.
July 14, 2007: With the Kings, seven games for pleading "nolo contendre" to infliction of injury on a spouse.
May 5, 2011: With the Lakers, one game for swinging his arm and striking the face of the Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea.

9 Incidents from 2001-2004.. 3 Incidents from 2006-2011.. Plus this one against Harden.

He's changed a lot.  Cut him some slack.. Not saying he doesnt deserve a suspension, but you guys are trying to make him look like a demon, regardless of how much he's cleaned up his act recently.

Those are just the action that caused suspensions. He has plenty of questionable actions that didn't cause a suspension.

Yeah that's kind of meaningless here. Unless you can detail them, and cross-reference them against the other players in the league. As a disciplinary tool, they have the immediate evidence, other incidences like it and how they were punished, and the players' past documented history (although for me I think that's bunk as well.).


As an aside (and I would like to stress very clearly, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. CelticsBlog isn't the only forum I read, and this stuff is all over the place), reading the 'ironic that his name is Metta World Peace' and comments like it is just so very annoying. What's that got to do with the item at hand? And where the comedians with the clever jokes and comments when this stuff happened?

Some basic cherry-picked events:

Raffled off Championship ring for 500k to aid in mental health treatment

Donated at least half of his 2011-2012 salary to mental health charities.

That's just two things he's done in the last year or two. Two things that are likely bigger than any contribution I'll give in my life to charity.

Guy has done a lot of good. He lost his cool, did something stupid, and obviously didn't think about it first. Yeah, he should pay for it, but the hyperbolic attacks on the man just rubs me the wrong way. The NBA is so very full of terrible stories, and Ron Artest obviously helped create some of those, but he's a guy that has also showed a real attempt to change his behavior, and change his lifestyle.

[Adelaide Celt]

I just wish Stern and his cronies would hurry up and dole out what will no doubt be a typically lenient, soft penalty.

This endless debate on what the suspension should be is driving me nuts. I want to get started on the endless debate about whether the suspension is fair!

[indeedproceed]

This endless debate on what the suspension should be is driving me nuts. I want to get started on the endless debate about whether the suspension is fair!

This however is pretty funny and true.

[snively]

As an aside (and I would like to stress very clearly, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. CelticsBlog isn't the only forum I read, and this stuff is all over the place), reading the 'ironic that his name is Metta World Peace' and comments like it is just so very annoying. What's that got to do with the item at hand? And where the comedians with the clever jokes and comments when this stuff happened?

Some basic cherry-picked events:

Raffled off Championship ring for 500k to aid in mental health treatment

Donated at least half of his 2011-2012 salary to mental health charities.

That's just two things he's done in the last year or two. Two things that are likely bigger than any contribution I'll give in my life to charity.

Guy has done a lot of good. He lost his cool, did something stupid, and obviously didn't think about it first. Yeah, he should pay for it, but the hyperbolic attacks on the man just rubs me the wrong way. The NBA is so very full of terrible stories, and Ron Artest obviously helped create some of those, but he's a guy that has also showed a real attempt to change his behavior, and change his lifestyle.

At this point, MWP is starting to resemble Lennie from Of Mice and Men: sweet, sympathetic and dangerous.

[indeedproceed]

As an aside (and I would like to stress very clearly, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. CelticsBlog isn't the only forum I read, and this stuff is all over the place), reading the 'ironic that his name is Metta World Peace' and comments like it is just so very annoying. What's that got to do with the item at hand? And where the comedians with the clever jokes and comments when this stuff happened?

Some basic cherry-picked events:

Raffled off Championship ring for 500k to aid in mental health treatment

Donated at least half of his 2011-2012 salary to mental health charities.

That's just two things he's done in the last year or two. Two things that are likely bigger than any contribution I'll give in my life to charity.

Guy has done a lot of good. He lost his cool, did something stupid, and obviously didn't think about it first. Yeah, he should pay for it, but the hyperbolic attacks on the man just rubs me the wrong way. The NBA is so very full of terrible stories, and Ron Artest obviously helped create some of those, but he's a guy that has also showed a real attempt to change his behavior, and change his lifestyle.

At this point, MWP is starting to resemble Lennie from Of Mice and Men: sweet, sympathetic and dangerous.

Fair point.

Actually, really fair point. Nobody tell anyone about this analogy. You'll have a bunch of tacky blog entries with strained comparisons and just sloppy lazy 'Will David Stern have the guts to be George?' ending sentences.

It'll make me break my computer. 

[myteamisbetterthanyours]

As an aside (and I would like to stress very clearly, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. CelticsBlog isn't the only forum I read, and this stuff is all over the place), reading the 'ironic that his name is Metta World Peace' and comments like it is just so very annoying. What's that got to do with the item at hand? And where the comedians with the clever jokes and comments when this stuff happened?

Some basic cherry-picked events:

Raffled off Championship ring for 500k to aid in mental health treatment

Donated at least half of his 2011-2012 salary to mental health charities.

That's just two things he's done in the last year or two. Two things that are likely bigger than any contribution I'll give in my life to charity.

Guy has done a lot of good. He lost his cool, did something stupid, and obviously didn't think about it first. Yeah, he should pay for it, but the hyperbolic attacks on the man just rubs me the wrong way. The NBA is so very full of terrible stories, and Ron Artest obviously helped create some of those, but he's a guy that has also showed a real attempt to change his behavior, and change his lifestyle.

At this point, MWP is starting to resemble Lennie from Of Mice and Men: sweet, sympathetic and dangerous.

Fair point.

Actually, really fair point. Nobody tell anyone about this analogy. You'll have a bunch of tacky blog entries with strained comparisons and just sloppy lazy 'Will David Stern have the guts to be George?' ending sentences.

It'll make me break my computer. 

^^^^This.

[fairweatherfan]

As an aside (and I would like to stress very clearly, I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. CelticsBlog isn't the only forum I read, and this stuff is all over the place), reading the 'ironic that his name is Metta World Peace' and comments like it is just so very annoying. What's that got to do with the item at hand? And where the comedians with the clever jokes and comments when this stuff happened?

Some basic cherry-picked events:

Raffled off Championship ring for 500k to aid in mental health treatment

Donated at least half of his 2011-2012 salary to mental health charities.

That's just two things he's done in the last year or two. Two things that are likely bigger than any contribution I'll give in my life to charity.

Guy has done a lot of good. He lost his cool, did something stupid, and obviously didn't think about it first. Yeah, he should pay for it, but the hyperbolic attacks on the man just rubs me the wrong way. The NBA is so very full of terrible stories, and Ron Artest obviously helped create some of those, but he's a guy that has also showed a real attempt to change his behavior, and change his lifestyle.

At this point, MWP is starting to resemble Lennie from Of Mice and Men: sweet, sympathetic and dangerous.

Fair point.

Actually, really fair point. Nobody tell anyone about this analogy. You'll have a bunch of tacky blog entries with strained comparisons and just sloppy lazy 'Will David Stern have the guts to be George?' ending sentences.

It'll make me break my computer. 

Great, now I'm picturing Kobe wearing one glove filled with Vaseline to keep it soft for the ladies.

[jsingh1699]

fairest punishment for world peace:

2 games automatic suspension
+
same number of games harden misses because of the concussion.

by doing it this way, world peace is out as long as harden is, which is fair because he caused the injury to him and should suffer as long as harden does.

[Smitty77]

How in the world is two games plus the time Harden is out fair???  Harden is a totally INNOCENT victim of a madman!!  How about 20 games plus the games Harden missed??  That sound far more reasonable to me.

If Ron comes back, something worse WILL happen.  Mark my words.  Someone will really get hurt by this madman next time.

Smitty77

P.S.  Just ban him from the NBA entirely.

[SHAQATTACK]

Smitty77

P.S.  Just ban him from the NBA entirely.

Works for me.

[RebusRankin]

How long does it take for them to decide. Apparently its easier to decide when its not a Laker.

[SHAQATTACK]

How long does it take for them to decide. Apparently its easier to decide when its not a Laker.

This is true.

  Why of course , goes without saying . You don't want to upset  the Faker Nation .

Heaven forbid ...