Metta World Peace / Artest Cheap Shot (merged threads)

[indeedproceed]

Jon jones' spinning elbow is a pretty far cry from what Artest did.

[Rondo2287]

Jon jones' spinning elbow is a pretty far cry from what Artest did.

Of course, but at least Jon's opponent knew he was in a fight.

[Rondo2287]

Jon jones' spinning elbow is a pretty far cry from what Artest did.

And I want to clarify, I think there is a real difference between a guy taking an elbow while contesting for a rebound or what happened to Harden Yesterday. 

I don't really have any facts to back this up, but from what I have seen an elbow in the manor that Artest launched yesterday is going to do more damage than a punch and should be treated harsher by the league. 

Especially since if this were a punch, I think Harden would have had more time to see it coming.

[ACF]

KG kicks people in the balls and gets away with it...

When KG's elbow grazed Q-Rich's neck area it resulted in a one game ban for KG.
Elbows are a no-go. Those pointed thingies can hurt you.

[Adelaide Celt]

Well we all know Metta World Punk is a big attention seeker, so he should be lapping all this up.

The more I think about it, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if he gets a typically short suspension and has to play against OKC in the 2nd round... Score to be settled.

[Chelm]

Jon jones' spinning elbow is a pretty far cry from what Artest did.

And I want to clarify, I think there is a real difference between a guy taking an elbow while contesting for a rebound or what happened to Harden Yesterday. 

I don't really have any facts to back this up, but from what I have seen an elbow in the manor that Artest launched yesterday is going to do more damage than a punch and should be treated harsher by the league. 

Especially since if this were a punch, I think Harden would have had more time to see it coming.

Biomechanically, a punch is far more powerful than an elbow.

[Rondo2287]

I don't usually like to cite bleacher report but,

Winding up, delivering a Jon Jones 'bow to the dome and following through is not, especially when the play is over.

Of course, given World Peace's well documented history with violence and anger management issues, it's easy to overreact whenever he does something semi-controversial. However, even the biggest Lakers fan has to admit that this was a horrible move on his part.

The elbow is perhaps the most dangerous weapon in the human body. With the density of the bone and amount of force that can be generated after winding up, throwing an elbow is way more deadly than a punch, even if it looks less heinous.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1155447-metta-world-peace-elbow-video-lakers-f-ejected-for-heinous-hit-on-james-harden

[alley oop]

Andrew Bynum says Metta World Peace has nothing to apologise for. He said it's just hard basketball (or somthing to that effect).

[dtrader]

Ron was definitely in the wrong (by a long shot), but I feel like people on here are jumping on him more than they would another player because 1. -Hes a Laker, and 2. so many on this site have a crush on OKC.

His elbow isnt even comparable to most of the events its being compared to, because he didnt even look before he threw it.  He had NO IDEA he would hit Harden in the head.  Artest was pounding his chest and jumping around.  He just lashed out blindly.  It could have even been a laker teammate behind him for all he knew (highly unlikely since Harden was the last to pass by him, but still possible).

If he was looking at Harden, sized him up, and then elbowed him, I'd agree with the backlash...but he didnt.  He had every intention of hitting whoever he felt on him, but he had no clue whatsoever where he was going to hit that person (if at all).  Striking backwards blindly like that, he could just as easily have missed completely, and this wouldnt even be news.

This was way more an emotion response like "get off me", than it was a premeditated assault on Harden in particular.  It just had unfortunately damaging placement.

[JSD]

Ron was definitely in the wrong (by a long shot), but I feel like people on here are jumping on him more than they would another player because 1. -Hes a Laker, and 2. so many on this site have a crush on OKC.

What about his massive track record as a violent rule breaking punk? That probably has more to do with it than anything else.

[blink]

I really disagree with you that he didn't know who he was running into.  Cmon, harden was right there, he knew who it was.  That just really doesn't make any sense.

Ron was definitely in the wrong (by a long shot), but I feel like people on here are jumping on him more than they would another player because 1. -Hes a Laker, and 2. so many on this site have a crush on OKC.

His elbow isnt even comparable to most of the events its being compared to, because he didnt even look before he threw it.  He had NO IDEA he would hit Harden in the head.  Artest was pounding his chest and jumping around.  He just lashed out blindly.  It could have even been a laker teammate behind him for all he knew (highly unlikely since Harden was the last to pass by him, but still possible).

If he was looking at Harden, sized him up, and then elbowed him, I'd agree with the backlash...but he didnt.  He had every intention of hitting whoever he felt on him, but he had no clue whatsoever where he was going to hit that person (if at all).  Striking backwards blindly like that, he could just as easily have missed completely, and this wouldnt even be news.

This was way more an emotion response like "get off me", than it was a premeditated assault on Harden in particular.  It just had unfortunately damaging placement.

[Fafnir]

When you throw an elbow high like that if you don't intend it to hit someone's head you are either a child or an idiot. It was clearly intentional and should be treated like a punch.

dtrader, how do you explain him squaring off to fight with Ibaka? He did this right away without looking to see what happened to Harden, he knew what he did.

[fairweatherfan]

This was way more an emotion response like "get off me", than it was a premeditated assault on Harden in particular.  It just had unfortunately damaging placement.

I agree with this except for the notion that he had no idea where his elbow might land.  When you lift your elbow over your shoulder and swing it, you're expecting to hit the other guy above the shoulder.  That's not a guess or a fluke, that's where those kinds of blows land.

I do think it was Ron losing his head in the emotion of the moment and wanting to get Harden off him - he didn't think about what he was doing because he wasn't really thinking at all.  But it was still a highly dangerous act.  Intentional if not deliberate, if that makes sense - he knew what he was doing even if he didn't think about or plan it.

[JSD]

When you throw an elbow high like that if you don't intend it to hit someone's head you are either a child or an idiot. It was clearly intentional and should be treated like a punch.

dtrader, how do you explain him squaring off to fight with Ibaka? He did this right away without looking to see what happened to Harden, he knew what he did.

AND after he felt the contact of his elbow meeting Harden's head, if it wasn't intentional he would have checked on him right away like "Oh my gosh, are you ok?" ala Paul Pierce when he accidently punched that ref:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfyQAnPgp-I&sns=em

[kozlodoev]

This was way more an emotion response like "get off me", than it was a premeditated assault on Harden in particular.  It just had unfortunately damaging placement.

And this makes it acceptable how?

Also, I'm sure that bumping into someone when you're running down the court to play defense is so rare and unusual in a basketball game that it requires a "get off me" retaliation.

I'd like to see him suspended for the entire playoffs, though I doubt it will happen. Where's Shanahan when you need him...