Metta World Peace / Artest Cheap Shot (merged threads)

[Eja117]

To me if I'm another coach and I see the Thunder not retaliate I'm telling my players to beat the heck out of them. If you don't have the common sense to protect yourself and your teammates then screw you. The strong survive. Respect has to be earned. Not handed to you by refs or something.

[manl_lui]

2004 Ron Artest is BACK!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Based on past history, I would say a suspension of more than the two games that Jason Smith got for fouling Blake Griffin and Kevin Love got for stepping on Luis Scola, but no more than the five games that Andrew Bynum got for the flagrant foul against JJ Barea.

Anything more would mean that he's being treated unfairly compared to other players.

But none of the aforementioned players are repeat offenders.

So, it should be more than Smith or Love because of that, but Bynum was a repeat offender, which is why he got more than two games.

4-5 games sounds right, based on the NBA history of suspensions, unless you think this was much worse in isolation (that is, ignoring past history) than Bynum's foul on Barea.  If it's more, it would be because the NBA wants to increase penalties for blows to the head (and we can expect increases in future suspensions for even accidental contact to the neck and head area).

This is worse than Bynum, "World Peace" wound up and went to the head of another player as hard as he possibly could .

Suspended for the year at minimum , after watching it over and over it is really bad, he needs to be banned from the NBA.

Itis true..it was a "crazy man" elbow..like he was a beserker..but hardin knew nothing about it. Just crazy....the "PC" world will come in and save the criminal again..!

[blink]

well I have watched it a few times now, and it doesn't look better for Ron Ron after multiple views.  I can't imagine the NBA not coming down really hard on him.  He literally could have killed Harden with that wind up.

Such a lame brain selfish thing for MWP to do.  Anything less than a suspension for the rest of the year + playoffs will look like a complete crock by the NBA.

I was so mad when I saw Bynum's cheap shot at Barea last year, but this was even worse in some ways.

[blink]

Well the NBA is so full of crap if they don't do something major about this.  I mean they have made it a point to push the dangers of concussions to improve player safety.  How can you be for player safety on one hand and NOT throw the book at Artest?  He wound up, tried to connect a crippling elbow to the face of another player.

Based on past history, I would say a suspension of more than the two games that Jason Smith got for fouling Blake Griffin and Kevin Love got for stepping on Luis Scola, but no more than the five games that Andrew Bynum got for the flagrant foul against JJ Barea.

Anything more would mean that he's being treated unfairly compared to other players.

But none of the aforementioned players are repeat offenders.

So, it should be more than Smith or Love because of that, but Bynum was a repeat offender, which is why he got more than two games.

4-5 games sounds right, based on the NBA history of suspensions, unless you think this was much worse in isolation (that is, ignoring past history) than Bynum's foul on Barea.  If it's more, it would be because the NBA wants to increase penalties for blows to the head (and we can expect increases in future suspensions for even accidental contact to the neck and head area).

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Arest is a dirtbag. Yea this guy changed alright. 

I say at least a 10 game suspension.

My  view is that they should just shut Artest  down for the rest of the season. Even if the lakers go deep, Artest should not play again until next season. This was worse than his fight vs pistons at the palace. This action was cowardly and unprovoked.

I agree. Bench his butt for the rest of the season. Artest and Bynum make a nice thug tag team.

[KGs Knee]

The Lakers should hope he gets off light.  Hopefully the NBA comes down hard.  I've seen enough of this guy.  Just because he is crazy, which I think he is, is no excuse.

I expect a season banishment.  Lakers would be well advised to amnesty Ronnie.

[Who]

Based on past history, I would say a suspension of more than the two games that Jason Smith got for fouling Blake Griffin and Kevin Love got for stepping on Luis Scola, but no more than the five games that Andrew Bynum got for the flagrant foul against JJ Barea.

Anything more would mean that he's being treated unfairly compared to other players.

But none of the aforementioned players are repeat offenders.

So, it should be more than Smith or Love because of that, but Bynum was a repeat offender, which is why he got more than two games.

4-5 games sounds right, based on the NBA history of suspensions, unless you think this was much worse in isolation (that is, ignoring past history) than Bynum's foul on Barea.  If it's more, it would be because the NBA wants to increase penalties for blows to the head (and we can expect increases in future suspensions for even accidental contact to the neck and head area).

For me, the difference between Artest and those players actions is that those players transgressions were "hard fouls with excessive and dangerous physical contact" whereas Artest's actions were more akin to a "punch" (a deliberate elbow to the head, while ball was out of play = non-basketball action).

I'd say Artest is most similar to the Carmelo Anthony suspension when Melo threw a punch against the Knicks a few years ago and got a 15 game suspension. Not quite the same melee afterwards which will help Artest and at the close of the season (beginning of playoffs) rather than early regular season which may also help him out (depending on how hard a stance the league wants to take).

So yes, after thinking about it a bit more, I'd change my initial expectation to a minimum 10 game suspension that could be more based on Artest's past.

[LooseCannon]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

[Eja117]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

takes too long. Retaliation should be immediate

[saltlover]

They should take a cue from the NHL's suspension of Torres and not let him see the floor for the rest of the year.  Call it a 30 game suspension, and any games not served in the playoffs carry over.  That elbow was not an accident, and if it wasn't thrown in an NBA arena, or MMA arena, he'd be in jail.

[LooseCannon]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

takes too long. Retaliation should be immediate

Retaliation should be done in the manner that causes the most harm.

[Eja117]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

takes too long. Retaliation should be immediate

Retaliation should be done in the manner that causes the most harm.

Yeah, but to the other guy. It's like mutual guaranteed destruction. It works better than people think

[GreenFaith1819]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

takes too long. Retaliation should be immediate

Don't worry...Perk started licking his chops right after Peas' attack...he started wondering what other rasslin' move could he put on Kobe after this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiZJQn6XUzY

I suggest a full body suplex.



This one will be continued, no doubt. Perk's just waiting for the right time.

In all seriousness, though - I hope the revenge is measured. Perk (or any OKC player, for that matter) don't need to miss any games over this.

But a message has to be sent back.

I remember back in the day for the Celtics...we had Greg Kite to do our dirty work, lol....

[LooseCannon]

I am pretty surprised that no one from the Thunder did anything in retaliation.  Not that retaliation is the smartest move, it just seems like such a cheap shot that you have to react to support your team mate.

I think this is the sort of spot where you have to wait to retaliate.  MWP has been ejected.  Wait for at least the second game that you play him to lull him in a false sense of security, then hit him in the air the next time he tries a dunk or layup, trying to undercut him so he rotates in the air and lands on his head unprotected.

takes too long. Retaliation should be immediate

Retaliation should be done in the manner that causes the most harm.

Yeah, but to the other guy. It's like mutual guaranteed destruction. It works better than people think

I'd rather wait around in the parking lot and smack Artest with a baseball bat a couple dozen times than retaliate against one of his teammates on the court.