Ray was almost traded for OJ Mayo and Pierce for a lottery pick

[alajet]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

In terms of trade value, Pierce is borderline top 10 in small forwards. If Danny tried to trade him for anyone on this list, the answer is definitely no:

Anthony
Durant
James
Iggy
Deng
Granger
Batum

It is probably no for these guys:

Leonard
Gallinari
Gay
G. Wallace

That puts Pierce 12th.

Trade value and current ability as a player are two different things.

NJ picked Gerald Wallace when they could have had Pierce, if the rumor is true.

Wallace is a middle of the pack SF who is on the tail end of his career.

Who is Leonard, I can't figure it out. 

Kawhi

How on the earth that kid belongs to the same group with Rudy? I watched him play and saw nothing special in his game to be considered all-star level.

[Moranis]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

In terms of trade value, Pierce is borderline top 10 in small forwards. If Danny tried to trade him for anyone on this list, the answer is definitely no:

Anthony
Durant
James
Iggy
Deng
Granger
Batum

It is probably no for these guys:

Leonard
Gallinari
Gay
G. Wallace

That puts Pierce 12th.

Trade value and current ability as a player are two different things.

NJ picked Gerald Wallace when they could have had Pierce, if the rumor is true.

Wallace is a middle of the pack SF who is on the tail end of his career.

Who is Leonard, I can't figure it out. 

Kawhi

How on the earth that kid belongs to the same group with Rudy? I watched him play and saw nothing special in his game to be considered all-star level.

He is a 20 year old rookie playing some darn good basketball for the top team in the western conference.

[alajet]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

In terms of trade value, Pierce is borderline top 10 in small forwards. If Danny tried to trade him for anyone on this list, the answer is definitely no:

Anthony
Durant
James
Iggy
Deng
Granger
Batum

It is probably no for these guys:

Leonard
Gallinari
Gay
G. Wallace

That puts Pierce 12th.

Trade value and current ability as a player are two different things.

NJ picked Gerald Wallace when they could have had Pierce, if the rumor is true.

Wallace is a middle of the pack SF who is on the tail end of his career.

Who is Leonard, I can't figure it out. 

Kawhi

How on the earth that kid belongs to the same group with Rudy? I watched him play and saw nothing special in his game to be considered all-star level.

He is a 20 year old rookie playing some darn good basketball for the top team in the western conference.

Still, he still looks quite irrelevant amongst the others mentioned. I don't think he's even as good as Paul George.

[indeedproceed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

In terms of trade value, Pierce is borderline top 10 in small forwards. If Danny tried to trade him for anyone on this list, the answer is definitely no:

Anthony
Durant
James
Iggy
Deng
Granger
Batum

It is probably no for these guys:

Leonard
Gallinari
Gay
G. Wallace

That puts Pierce 12th.

Trade value and current ability as a player are two different things.

NJ picked Gerald Wallace when they could have had Pierce, if the rumor is true.

Wallace is a middle of the pack SF who is on the tail end of his career.

Who is Leonard, I can't figure it out. 

Kawhi

How on the earth that kid belongs to the same group with Rudy? I watched him play and saw nothing special in his game to be considered all-star level.

He is a 20 year old rookie playing some darn good basketball for the top team in the western conference.

Still, he still looks quite irrelevant amongst the others mentioned. I don't think he's even as good as Paul George.

Probably playing about the same, with George having a slightly hihger upside.

[alajet]

Probably playing about the same, with George having a slightly hihger upside.

Fair enough. Then, his name has no business amongst the likes of Rudy Gay, Danilo and Wallace.
That's equivalent of ranking Avery Bradley a Top 10 SG as, indeed, he fit in here as well as Leonard did in Spurs.

[anthony83]

I do not understand, this is a shame, Pierce is a legend and he should retire in Boston.

[pearljammer10]

I still dont understand the Pierce deal... To be honest, I would have rather traded Pierce for Mayo and the pick rather than Okur and the pick (i wouldnt have done either, but to me thats a better deal)

And just because Pierce wouldnt net those 11 guys in front of him doesnt mean he is the 12th best small forward in the game. He is a top 20 player IMO and there is no way there are 11 other small forwards in the top 20.

[Boris Badenov]

Probably playing about the same, with George having a slightly hihger upside.

Fair enough. Then, his name has no business amongst the likes of Rudy Gay, Danilo and Wallace.
That's equivalent of ranking Avery Bradley a Top 10 SG as, indeed, he fit in here as well as Leonard did in Spurs.

George is listed as an SG, but I would rate them similarly in terms of trade value. Again, this is trade value, which can be very different from current production.

The Spurs are very high on Leonard. If not for their strong interest in winning now, I can't see any reason why they'd trade him for Pierce.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40448/what-makes-kawhi-leonard-so-good

Bradley is not on that level yet. Are you saying we could trade him for Paul George?

[alajet]

Probably playing about the same, with George having a slightly hihger upside.

Fair enough. Then, his name has no business amongst the likes of Rudy Gay, Danilo and Wallace.
That's equivalent of ranking Avery Bradley a Top 10 SG as, indeed, he fit in here as well as Leonard did in Spurs.

George is listed as an SG, but I would rate them similarly in terms of trade value. Again, this is trade value, which can be very different from current production.

The Spurs are very high on Leonard. If not for their strong interest in winning now, I can't see any reason why they'd trade him for Pierce.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40448/what-makes-kawhi-leonard-so-good

Bradley is not on that level yet. Are you saying we could trade him for Paul George?

Actually, I don't think Spurs would trade him at this point. It's more of a question what Leonard means for other teams.
He's really valuable to the Spurs, but not that valuable to the rest of the league. This is the reason I drew that comparison to Avery Bradley.
Indiana won't be trading Paul George for Leonard, either.

But, if, by trade value, we also include how much a player's current team sticks to the respective player, then, I think I got your reasoning.

[Boris Badenov]

Probably playing about the same, with George having a slightly hihger upside.

Fair enough. Then, his name has no business amongst the likes of Rudy Gay, Danilo and Wallace.
That's equivalent of ranking Avery Bradley a Top 10 SG as, indeed, he fit in here as well as Leonard did in Spurs.

George is listed as an SG, but I would rate them similarly in terms of trade value. Again, this is trade value, which can be very different from current production.

The Spurs are very high on Leonard. If not for their strong interest in winning now, I can't see any reason why they'd trade him for Pierce.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/40448/what-makes-kawhi-leonard-so-good

Bradley is not on that level yet. Are you saying we could trade him for Paul George?

Actually, I don't think Spurs would trade him at this point. It's more of a question what Leonard means for other teams.
He's really valuable to the Spurs, but not that valuable to the rest of the league. This is the reason I drew that comparison to Avery Bradley.
Indiana won't be trading Paul George for Leonard, either.

Paul Pierce would be more valuable to the Spurs than he would be to most other teams, too.

Obviously, trade value is team-specific.

My original point in the thread was simply that even though PP is top 5 in terms of current performance, he is much lower in terms of trade value. That's particularly true for a team like New Jersey, which was the one we were originally talking about.

[green7]

no worries we can get mayo in the off season

[LooseCannon]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

Given Pierce's age and contract, an expiring contract and a lottery pick seems like a lot.  The Nets, as a team that desperately want to be competitive immediately when they move to Brooklyn, are probably going to pay more for Pierce than just about any other team.

[LooseCannon]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard

Who is Leonard, I can't figure it out. 

Kawhi

How on the earth that kid belongs to the same group with Rudy? I watched him play and saw nothing special in his game to be considered all-star level.

He is a 20 year old rookie playing some darn good basketball for the top team in the western conference.

There are some (Wages of Win) who would say that Leonard is the Spurs best player this season and performing at a superstar level.

[slamtheking]

Never been a fan of Mayo. 

oh, a Miracle Whip man huh?   

[bbd24]

I still dont understand the Pierce deal... To be honest, I would have rather traded Pierce for Mayo and the pick rather than Okur and the pick (i wouldnt have done either, but to me thats a better deal)

And just because Pierce wouldnt net those 11 guys in front of him doesnt mean he is the 12th best small forward in the game. He is a top 20 player IMO and there is no way there are 11 other small forwards in the top 20.

Mayo and a non Lotto pick for Pierce ?  That's a better deal ? How does that work ?

You realize this draft is extremely deep, right ?

If someone is offering a Lottery pick & cap space for Pierce I think you have to jump on it.  Especially since the draft is loaded with young talent to build on & develop.