Ray was almost traded for OJ Mayo and Pierce for a lottery pick

[Celts Fan 92]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

[Moranis]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

If Boston was likely going to get a pick in the 5-8 range (and thus is bad enough to get a pick in that range) would you be willing to trade it for Paul Pierce?  I wouldn't and I don't think a whole lot of people out there would either.

[indeedproceed]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

[Celts Fan 92]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

Iggy is not playin at the same level as Pierce lol he went 46 straight games without scoring 20+ points. and I've went on record to say this aint a deep draft IMO its not many franchise changing type players or "cornerstones" just solid role rotation players who are complacent wit no killer instinct ie Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones 3. unless we get MKG, or Anthony Davis NOBODY in this draft is worth givin up Pierce who's playin at a high level

[Celts Fan 92]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

If Boston was likely going to get a pick in the 5-8 range (and thus is bad enough to get a pick in that range) would you be willing to trade it for Paul Pierce?  I wouldn't and I don't think a whole lot of people out there would either.

I wouldnt either I only think it's 2 slam dunk picks in this draft and these people who said they would make the trade KNOW that player would be under ridiculous criticism nd under the microscope immediately due to replacing a legend like Pierce. I wouldnt make the deal but knowing Ainge I wouldnt be surprised if Pierce is moved around draft day if he wants a complete rebuild it's a shame cuz Pierce is the reason I started following the Celtics in 01

[indeedproceed]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

Iggy is not playin at the same level as Pierce lol he went 46 straight games without scoring 20+ points. and I've went on record to say this aint a deep draft IMO its not many franchise changing type players or "cornerstones" just solid role rotation players who are complacent wit no killer instinct ie Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones 3. unless we get MKG, or Anthony Davis NOBODY in this draft is worth givin up Pierce who's playin at a high level

Scoring points isn't everything. Iggy changes the game on the defensive side more than any 3 other than LeBron James. And even then, I think its kind of close. Iggy's defensive game grew nicely this year.

Also, last years' draft should've stopped people from saying stuff like 'only one or two franchise cornerstones'.

Isiah Thomas? Kawli Leonard? Kenneth Faried? Klay Thompson? Chandler Parsons?

All these guys are looking like legit starters for the next 10 years. 'Cornerstone' doesn't mean just LeBron James, or Tim Duncan. If you can draft a dude who is going to be your starting power forward or shooting guard for the next 10 years, you probably take it.

Sure it could not work out, but its a low-risk, high-reward move if you didn't think that Boston had a chance at a chip.

[Galeto]

Apparently it was Mayo who scuttled the deal by threatening not to report.  I don't know that I buy this as much as Tillery's absurd trade breakdown.  Why would Mayo refuse to report?  It wasn't like Mayo was leaving a championship contender in Memphis at the time.  Plus, since this was before Bradley emerged in all his glory, Mayo would have had the chance to start again.  I don't think he turns that down.

Maybe his childhood friend Bill Walker told him terrible things about the Celtics organization and Doc and KG and Mayo wanted nothing to do with the Celtics.

[mctyson]

I read this thread last night but didn't say anything.  I don't know why this is such a big deal.  Sometimes I think being fan of the NBA is 50% following basketball and 50% following trade rumors and "what-if" scenarios.

Having said that, again I think this speaks to how lucky we are to have Danny as a GM.  How many guys could pull off a non-trade and have it work out for the team like Danny did?  Further, if Ray was traded, would the season turned out any different?  Maybe, but I don't know.

I think it is clear that he was willing to trade Ray and Paul, but his asking price was so steep that other teams simply couldn't pull the trigger.  That's how I want my GM negotiating, from a position of strength, even though we were a .500 team with expiring veteran contracts.  I think most other GMs unload in that scenario for draft picks.  

Both Danny and Doc have pushed all the right buttons for us this year, whether by design or not.  This franchise is in one of the best positions it has been in for a long time.

[j804]

Apparently it was Mayo who scuttled the deal by threatening not to report.  I don't know that I buy this as much as Tillery's absurd trade breakdown.  Why would Mayo refuse to report?  It wasn't like Mayo was leaving a championship contender in Memphis at the time.  Plus, since this was before Bradley emerged in all his glory, Mayo would have had the chance to start again.  I don't think he turns that down.

Maybe his childhood friend Bill Walker told him terrible things about the Celtics organization and Doc and KG and Mayo wanted nothing to do with the Celtics.

Mayo also said when asked about the Celtics Championships "Who cares about the banners?"

I hope we don't go after this chump in the offseason...

[Celts Fan 92]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

Iggy is not playin at the same level as Pierce lol he went 46 straight games without scoring 20+ points. and I've went on record to say this aint a deep draft IMO its not many franchise changing type players or "cornerstones" just solid role rotation players who are complacent wit no killer instinct ie Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones 3. unless we get MKG, or Anthony Davis NOBODY in this draft is worth givin up Pierce who's playin at a high level

Scoring points isn't everything. Iggy changes the game on the defensive side more than any 3 other than LeBron James. And even then, I think its kind of close. Iggy's defensive game grew nicely this year.

Also, last years' draft should've stopped people from saying stuff like 'only one or two franchise cornerstones'.

Isiah Thomas? Kawli Leonard? Kenneth Faried? Klay Thompson? Chandler Parsons?

All these guys are looking like legit starters for the next 10 years. 'Cornerstone' doesn't mean just LeBron James, or Tim Duncan. If you can draft a dude who is going to be your starting power forward or shooting guard for the next 10 years, you probably take it.

Sure it could not work out, but its a low-risk, high-reward move if you didn't think that Boston had a chance at a chip.

lol thats wat I said solid rotational players non all-stars nobody worth trading Pierce for

[Evantime34]

My theory on the Mayo situation:
1. Either he didn't want to come here because they wanted to sign him to an extension or (more likely) he knew that Memphis wasn't going to extend him the qualifying offer for cap reasons and didn't want to go to a team that probably would because it would limit his earning potential.

2. As far as the deal itself, I think Ray for Mayo and a pick was agreed upon but the teams could not come to an agreement as to the other players to be added in order to make the deal work financially.

3. Bradley had done some things before the deadline but he hadn't really arrived in the way that he has now. If we did this deal Mayo comes here probably starts, gets signed to an extension and Bradley doesn't improve the way he has. With the way Bradley has played I think the Celtics are less inclined to go hard after a two guard (and Mayo is less likely to sign here since he would have to come off the bench).

[indeedproceed]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

Iggy is not playin at the same level as Pierce lol he went 46 straight games without scoring 20+ points. and I've went on record to say this aint a deep draft IMO its not many franchise changing type players or "cornerstones" just solid role rotation players who are complacent wit no killer instinct ie Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones 3. unless we get MKG, or Anthony Davis NOBODY in this draft is worth givin up Pierce who's playin at a high level

Scoring points isn't everything. Iggy changes the game on the defensive side more than any 3 other than LeBron James. And even then, I think its kind of close. Iggy's defensive game grew nicely this year.

Also, last years' draft should've stopped people from saying stuff like 'only one or two franchise cornerstones'.

Isiah Thomas? Kawli Leonard? Kenneth Faried? Klay Thompson? Chandler Parsons?

All these guys are looking like legit starters for the next 10 years. 'Cornerstone' doesn't mean just LeBron James, or Tim Duncan. If you can draft a dude who is going to be your starting power forward or shooting guard for the next 10 years, you probably take it.

Sure it could not work out, but its a low-risk, high-reward move if you didn't think that Boston had a chance at a chip.

lol thats wat I said solid rotational players non all-stars nobody worth trading Pierce for

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I think there are possible All-stars. Those guys are also starters. They're also rotation players.

And last years' draft has shown us multiple 'might-be' all-stars. Like Thomas, Leonard, Faried, THompson, and Parsons.

[get_banners]

The trade for Mayo would have been a home run by Danny - a nice scoring 2, and very good backup 1, and a draft pick. I don't believe the PIerce trade, though, unless the lottery pick was unprotected at a very high level (top 2), because Paul is still producing at an All-Star level and doesn't have the kind of game that will fall off a cliff in the next few years. My guess is the Pierce trade was discussed, but nowhere near happening.

[Celts Fan 92]

I can understand RayRay for OJ, but Pierce for Okur and a pick?!

I couldn't imagine Pierce bringing in much more than that.

are u kidding me? a top 5 small forward couldnt get u more then a washed up injury prone big man nd a 1st round pick who is gonna be a bust for the most part

lol New Jersey is the ONLY team in teh league that would have been stupid enough to give up a lottery pick for a 34 year old small forward who is discussing retirement.

the same 34 year old small forward who's averaging 19.7 points 5 rebounds nd 5 assist this year are we being serious wit this amount of disrespect? in terms of small forwards this year
1.Lebron
2.Durant
3.Melo
4.Pierce
5.Deng
honorable mentions Rudy Gay, Iggy, Granger if I'm forgetting somebody please lemme kno

I think Deng, Iggy, and Pierce are all kinda playing at the same level, if you're considering the entire season. Call them 4a, 4b, and 4c.

That said, a trade of a 34 year old guy considering retirement for a possible long-term franchise cornerstone is always one that gets done, unless you think keeping that 34 year old guy gets you a chip.

Iggy is not playin at the same level as Pierce lol he went 46 straight games without scoring 20+ points. and I've went on record to say this aint a deep draft IMO its not many franchise changing type players or "cornerstones" just solid role rotation players who are complacent wit no killer instinct ie Harrison Barnes, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones 3. unless we get MKG, or Anthony Davis NOBODY in this draft is worth givin up Pierce who's playin at a high level

Scoring points isn't everything. Iggy changes the game on the defensive side more than any 3 other than LeBron James. And even then, I think its kind of close. Iggy's defensive game grew nicely this year.

Also, last years' draft should've stopped people from saying stuff like 'only one or two franchise cornerstones'.

Isiah Thomas? Kawli Leonard? Kenneth Faried? Klay Thompson? Chandler Parsons?

All these guys are looking like legit starters for the next 10 years. 'Cornerstone' doesn't mean just LeBron James, or Tim Duncan. If you can draft a dude who is going to be your starting power forward or shooting guard for the next 10 years, you probably take it.

Sure it could not work out, but its a low-risk, high-reward move if you didn't think that Boston had a chance at a chip.

lol thats wat I said solid rotational players non all-stars nobody worth trading Pierce for

I think there's a misunderstanding here. I think there are possible All-stars. Those guys are also starters. They're also rotation players.

And last years' draft has shown us multiple 'might-be' all-stars. Like Thomas, Leonard, Faried, THompson, and Parsons.

ard i see ya point just IMO iont wanna see Pierce traded for an unproven player

[bbd24]

I think one thing we can all agree on & acknowledge when it comes to the Ainge rumors of trades for Rondo, Pierce, or Allen.....

The Ainge asking price for any of our players was extremely high.  Basically at least 3 assets for Ainge's 1.  Glad Ainge stuck to his guns.  He's not giving away hall of famers for nothing, that's for darn sure.  If someone wants to give us the world, Ainge will take it.  No rush to ship all star veterans out.