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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #210 on: April 15, 2012, 08:05:55 PM »

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Why do so many Perk bashers continually get his contract wrong?  It's easy laziness or intellectual dishonesty. Perk makes $7.1m this season, which isn't a ton of money for a starting center on a top team.  Actually, he's the lowest paid non rookie contract center on a contender besides Joel Anthony. 

One poster even alluded to Perk as a $10m player.  His highest year on his new deal is $9.1m in 2015, according to hoopshype, which is an overpay, as are most lest years of deals.

Perk is a top low post defender, paint mucker, pick settler, attitude setter, and butt kicker at a very reasonable, a barely more than MLE paycheck of $7.1m.

Steamer has the potential to be a serviceable or better NBA center.  He's an exceptional shot blocker, with great shotblocking instincts both in the paint and closing out on jumpshooters.  He's a dead eye stationary shooter who is very reticent about shooting the basketball.  He has almost no low post offense, and is to weak in the lower body to establish decent low box position.  This lack of trunk strength hurts his low block one on one defense too.  Once he gets established int he league, the refs will let him get away with more bump and grind, and that should help, but I don't see him becoming a great low block defender.

The think that intrigues me about Steamer is his standstill shooting.  Many on here are too young to remember the reprehensible Bill Laimbeer, but he was a knock down shooter at the center position and was a tough cover for even the most athletic NBA centers, who hate straying out of the paint. 

Will Steamer ever get the confidence to take 10 shots a game? He takes a shot every 6.5 minutes now (compared to 1shot/3min for Bass and 1shot/2.4min for KG). He hits half his outside shots, a great mark for a center, and even better than KG by percentage.

If Steamer can get a long term deal somewhere and build his confidence in his offense, he could be a very solid center. I don't see him putting on much beef (he's 26) but makes up for his lack of stoutness with long arms, good timing and tenaciousness. 

His upside could Find him as a better player than Perk, but they're totally different players.  the only thing they have in common is starting their careers in Boston and learning from KG.       

You are probably referring to me here, because I have said Perk is being paid $10M.  My mistake.

Perk being paid $7M is a ridiculous overpay.  He will most likely be amnestied.  You don't pay $7M for a "butt kicker" or a "pick setter" who is, statistically, one of the worst starters at his position in the NBA. 

Celtics fans overrate Perkins, and understandably so.  He was the starting center for a championship team, at a young age, after being drafted as a pudgy, unskilled teenager out of high school in the late first round.  Perkins far exceeded his potential as an NBA player.  I give him credit for that, and will never take away anything from him because he clearly worked hard to become the player he is (was) and made his payday.  Good for him, he is beyond set for for life.

But facts are facts.  He can't rebound.  He can't shoot free throws.  He sits the bench in crunch time.  He has no lift.  He fouls way too much.  His great picks are often illegal.  His offensive game is extremely limited.  And he is already paid far too much for his output.  In a couple years he will be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

I stand by my assessment.  If given a choice, given their current contracts or possible pay going into next season, almost every GM in the NBA would take Stiemer over Perk, and I include Sam Presti in that group.




Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #211 on: April 15, 2012, 08:48:16 PM »

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I have purposely not posted in this thread (up till now), because the whole idea of Steamer being better than Perk is ludicrous.  Just not worth my time to discuss this.

Still, I can't believe the thread has lasted as long as it has.  I'm flabberghasted.

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #212 on: April 15, 2012, 09:21:51 PM »

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I have purposely not posted in this thread (up till now), because the whole idea of Steamer being better than Perk is ludicrous.  Just not worth my time to discuss this.

Still, I can't believe the thread has lasted as long as it has.  I'm flabberghasted.

Steams is better then Perkins.
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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #213 on: April 15, 2012, 09:31:30 PM »

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I have purposely not posted in this thread (up till now), because the whole idea of Steamer being better than Perk is ludicrous.  Just not worth my time to discuss this.

Still, I can't believe the thread has lasted as long as it has.  I'm flabberghasted.

Steams is better then Perkins.

And the beauty of the blog here is that we are all entitled to our opinions....

I suppose that I just don't like the comparison, is what I'm saying.

I'm just glad that Stiem is playing well for us.

I love what Perk did for us.
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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #214 on: April 15, 2012, 09:38:34 PM »

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He is a better shooter and shot blocker, but not better as a one-on-one defender.

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #215 on: April 15, 2012, 09:45:34 PM »

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Perkin's first 2-3 years he was also not given the benefit of the doubt by the refs....and to be honest, Perk made quite a few bone headed fouls earlier in his career.

Steamer, I don't really see him make as many "dumb" fouls. Steamer really does get an extra lack of respect because he is not only a rookie, but a rookie who came from the NBDL.


Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #216 on: April 15, 2012, 09:49:21 PM »

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Already better than perkins.

Will improve to be significantly better.


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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #217 on: April 15, 2012, 10:04:31 PM »

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I stand by my assessment.  If given a choice, given their current contracts or possible pay going into next season, almost every GM in the NBA would take Stiemer over Perk, and I include Sam Presti in that group.





  Again, aside from how nonsensical it is to claim to know the thinking of nba GMs, all that would mean is that the GMs think that Steamer is more than 1/7 as valuable as Perk. Look into that crystal ball of yours and start naming all the GMs that would sign Steamer to a multi-year deal better than the MLE if they could.

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #218 on: April 15, 2012, 10:07:49 PM »

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Steamer is better. I dont need to explain myself, I watch the games.

 I too am slowly thinking steamer may be better. Though he will never have perks bulk Amy strength inside, steamer is far ans away moe nimble and quicker. Better shooter too.

He will not be a great center, but serves a useful role. So far ainge made a good pick up.
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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #219 on: April 16, 2012, 08:23:16 PM »

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I have purposely not posted in this thread (up till now), because the whole idea of Steamer being better than Perk is ludicrous.  Just not worth my time to discuss this.

Still, I can't believe the thread has lasted as long as it has.  I'm flabberghasted.

Just rechecked Hollinger stats.  Perkins is dead last in Value Added, has a PER just north of Ryan Hollins, and quarter of his possessions end in turnovers (second worst only behind Joe Pryzbilla). And for all the greatness added to OKC, he averages 26 minutes a game - just a shade higher than a half.

Stiemer is better than him in every category.

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #220 on: April 16, 2012, 08:27:58 PM »

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  Again, aside from how nonsensical it is to claim to know the thinking of nba GMs, all that would mean is that the GMs think that Steamer is more than 1/7 as valuable as Perk. Look into that crystal ball of yours and start naming all the GMs that would sign Steamer to a multi-year deal better than the MLE if they could.


Thanks for the snark.  And I never claimed anything about Stiemer making the kind of contract you present, just that given their current output and pay, my opinion is that most GMs would take Stiemer right now.

Anyways, I will resurrect this thread when Perkins is amnestied

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #221 on: April 16, 2012, 09:24:38 PM »

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This is a pretty tough argument.

My gut says I'd take Perk from 2 years ago over Steamer now.  I think right this second you go with Steamer though.

And even going back to the Perk of old, while I buy the notion he was a better defender two years ago than Steamer is now, I think what this year is proving more than anything is that far and away the biggest reason our defense is so dominant is because of KG.  Not that that is a news flash for anyone, but what I'm saying is that Perk might've matter less than we thought (including me).

And while I'm still conflicted, what also makes me hesitate about taking Perk in this debate is his poor offensive game. Even though I take pre-injury Perk over Steamer defensively, I might take Steamer now as the whole package. His ability to spread the floor and his ability to finish quite likely make up for whatever edge Perk had defensively.

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #222 on: April 16, 2012, 09:38:18 PM »

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Steamer has a better shot, but I kind of think if Perk hadn't been surrounded by so many scorers he would have shown himself to be a better scorer actually. I think at his peak he might have gotten as high as 14ppg. I don't see Steamer doing that, but I think Steams can score a little too

Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #223 on: April 16, 2012, 09:58:04 PM »

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This is a pretty tough argument.

My gut says I'd take Perk from 2 years ago over Steamer now.  I think right this second you go with Steamer though.

And even going back to the Perk of old, while I buy the notion he was a better defender two years ago than Steamer is now, I think what this year is proving more than anything is that far and away the biggest reason our defense is so dominant is because of KG.  Not that that is a news flash for anyone, but what I'm saying is that Perk might've matter less than we thought (including me).

And while I'm still conflicted, what also makes me hesitate about taking Perk in this debate is his poor offensive game. Even though I take pre-injury Perk over Steamer defensively, I might take Steamer now as the whole package. His ability to spread the floor and his ability to finish quite likely make up for whatever edge Perk had defensively.

If the injuries have taken their toll on Perk to the point where his best years are behind him at the 
tender age of 27, then I absolutely have to go with Stiemsma who is a youthful 26 years old.
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Re: Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?
« Reply #224 on: April 16, 2012, 09:58:09 PM »

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Steamer has a better shot, but I kind of think if Perk hadn't been surrounded by so many scorers he would have shown himself to be a better scorer actually. I think at his peak he might have gotten as high as 14ppg. I don't see Steamer doing that, but I think Steams can score a little too

Perk is probably one of the most offensively inept players in the league. I cringe everytime he gets the ball on offense and OKC fans feel the same. No way he ever averages 14ppg.
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