Greg Stiemsma's Potential = Perk or Better?

[BballTim]

My point is only this...if you want to compare players, you have to use the metrics available to you that are made fairly (unlike your opinion) without bias (unlike your opinion).

  I use stats in my discussions all the time but I disagree with this. Metrics may be unbiased but they are also limited in what they measure and how they measure and frequently misused.

  Take Chris Bosh, for instance. Is he a 24/11 with a PER of 25 player like he was on the Raptor or is he a 18/9 player with a PER of 18 like he is this year? The answer is he's either of those players based on the system and who his teammates are. That's a lot of variation, and that's comparing one player to *himself* with unbiased metrics.

Stiemer is rated higher than Perkins in almost every measurable  category for a center.  I guarantee you that if you polled NBA GM's and asked them if they would want Perkins at $10M or Stiemer at a couple hundred thou...almost all of them would take Stiemer, and that includes Sam Presti.

  Aside from the fact that you obviously can't guarantee that, all that says is that people think that Steamer's value is more than 5-10% of Perk's. If you could guarantee that all of the GMs would rather have Steamer than Perk at the same $10M, you'd have an argument that Steamer's the better player.

[TripleOT]

Why do so many Perk bashers continually get his contract wrong?  It's easy laziness or intellectual dishonesty. Perk makes $7.1m this season, which isn't a ton of money for a starting center on a top team.  Actually, he's the lowest paid non rookie contract center on a contender besides Joel Anthony. 

One poster even alluded to Perk as a $10m player.  His highest year on his new deal is $9.1m in 2015, according to hoopshype, which is an overpay, as are most lest years of deals.

Perk is a top low post defender, paint mucker, pick settler, attitude setter, and butt kicker at a very reasonable, a barely more than MLE paycheck of $7.1m.

Steamer has the potential to be a serviceable or better NBA center.  He's an exceptional shot blocker, with great shotblocking instincts both in the paint and closing out on jumpshooters.  He's a dead eye stationary shooter who is very reticent about shooting the basketball.  He has almost no low post offense, and is to weak in the lower body to establish decent low box position.  This lack of trunk strength hurts his low block one on one defense too.  Once he gets established int he league, the refs will let him get away with more bump and grind, and that should help, but I don't see him becoming a great low block defender.

The think that intrigues me about Steamer is his standstill shooting.  Many on here are too young to remember the reprehensible Bill Laimbeer, but he was a knock down shooter at the center position and was a tough cover for even the most athletic NBA centers, who hate straying out of the paint. 

Will Steamer ever get the confidence to take 10 shots a game? He takes a shot every 6.5 minutes now (compared to 1shot/3min for Bass and 1shot/2.4min for KG). He hits half his outside shots, a great mark for a center, and even better than KG by percentage.

If Steamer can get a long term deal somewhere and build his confidence in his offense, he could be a very solid center. I don't see him putting on much beef (he's 26) but makes up for his lack of stoutness with long arms, good timing and tenaciousness. 

His upside could Find him as a better player than Perk, but they're totally different players.  the only thing they have in common is starting their careers in Boston and learning from KG.       

[Bankshot]

Steamer is more skilled than Perk.  I like Perk and it's not bashing to say you think someone else is better. It is my opinion that Steamer is better.

[thestackshow]

It was pretty easy to get a perk replacement, just go grab one from the D-League.

[azzenfrost]

A dish of Steamed Bass on that dunk. Was fun.

[lightspeed5]

It was pretty easy to get a perk replacement, just go grab one from the D-League.

lol

[Celtics18]

It was pretty easy to get a perk replacement, just go grab one from the D-League.

Well done!

I just professed my Bradley love in a thread comparing him to Marshon Brooks.  I feel the same way towards the Steamer.

The bench has gone from a weakness to a strength over the course of the season.

Throw in a couple of anything-but-soft Euros on the wings, and this bench is really playing with confidence and attitude. 

[bucknersrevenge]

Stiemer may not be better than Perk at his peak here yet. But his potential to be better is definitely there. We're still talking about a rookie that has had no training camp and no practice time. Over the next couple of years we could see a Stiemer that is distinctly more well-rounded then Perk ever was.

[clover]

I find it interesting that Stiemer is just behind Rondo and second on the team in the rate at which he's getting steals.

[Senninsage]

Greg Stiemsa looks as if he has far more upside than Perk ever did. He's a far better mid-range shooter, a much better shot blocker, and seems every bit as aggressive on the defensive end.

We have to consider the legitimate possibility that Perkins wouldn't be the player that he is without KG being there to teach him so much.

[Bankshot]

Steamer is also rebounding a lot better than he was earlier in the season.

[clover]

Greg Stiemsa looks as if he has far more upside than Perk ever did. He's a far better mid-range shooter, a much better shot blocker, and seems every bit as aggressive on the defensive end.

We have to consider the legitimate possibility that Perkins wouldn't be the player that he is without KG being there to teach him so much.

I think that's true about KG teaching Perk. 

Though not with so many minutes, Stiemer is also undoubtedly gaining from the education of playing with KG now every night as well.

[azzenfrost]

I really appreciate the two handed rebounds he's been grabbing lately. A few games ago, he tipped rather than grab.

[OmarSekou]

Stiemsma doesn't have the one special characteristic that can control games. I think for him to develop into a player better than Perk he would have to become a Mutombo like shot blocker which is a tough task. He's 26 and has slow feet (his footwork is already pretty good from what I see).

Stiemer's career blocks/min is 27% higher than Mutombo's.

I might be wrong on this. I was going to laugh at the Stiemsma-Motumbo stat comparison, but he's an amazing shot blocker. His timing, jumping ability and length are exceptional.

The more I watch him, the more I'm starting to lean to the he could become better than Perk side of things.

[thestackshow]

Steamer is better. I dont need to explain myself, I watch the games.