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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2012, 04:43:10 PM »

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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2012, 04:45:32 PM »

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I don't think there's room for Bass, but OJMayo, JGreen, and Kaman could split $25M to play with Rondo and Pierce next year quite equitably.

Rondo/Bradley
Mayo/1st Rd.Pick/Ray on Minimum?
Pierce/Green
KG on minimum?/JJJ/1st Rd. Pick
Kaman/Steimsma

If this rotation has a chance with them, do Ray and KG stick around for one more round at the minimum for 2013?  2014??

If Ray and KG are back, it won't be for the minimum. They'd probably play for less, but would still cost a good chunk. Considering what KG is going at the 5 recently, he's almost earning his current paycheck. Why doesn everybody love Mayo so much? He's not proven hat he can consistently perform at both ends and I'm not sure he could ever be "The Man" in Boston like Pierce.

Agree on Mayo, but he can score and might fit exceptionally well between Rondo and JGreen.

KG and Ray get $3M each,  will JGreen take $3M, too?

Mayo and Kaman get $8M each.

Discounts from everyone for a chance to beat the cocky big names with depth?

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2012, 04:47:09 PM »

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We should have gone all in or just gotten what we could for at least KG, Ray, and JO and tanked the rest of the season and hoped to get lucky in the lottery.

As is this team will make the playoffs and lose in the first round, possibly second round, but what good does that do as it just prolongs rebuilding (by making the pick this year worse).  

Who would have taken those guys (who had the cap room?)? It's not as easy as holding a "fire sale" and sticking a prioe tag on Ray or KG. Those guys cost too much money. The Playoffs is a new season. Who's ever hot going in can make some noise. Let's hope Danny can find some "bought out" big man who can give us some meaningful minutes off the bench.

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2012, 04:52:10 PM »

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Danny hasnt made a good move since signing the Big 3, every off-season and trade deadline since then has been a huge failure. I cant see why anyone expected anything different.
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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2012, 04:54:06 PM »

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@thestackshow

1.) signing rondo to one of the best contracts in the league
2.) trading big baby for brandon bass
3.) refusing to resign james posey

need i go on?

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2012, 05:02:55 PM »

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My issue is being stuck being a low seeded playoff team for years. We needed to either tank to get a great lottery pick or try for a home run for this season. We did neither. My worry is that we will have all this money and no players to spend it on. We all keep hearing how free agents have no desire to come here. That worries me along with the fact there are no decent players available as FA's this off season. We are stuck with unproven youngsters, Pierce, Rondo and if the season ended today, the 18th and 20th pick. Tell me why I should be excited?

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2012, 05:03:31 PM »

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We should have gone all in or just gotten what we could for at least KG, Ray, and JO and tanked the rest of the season and hoped to get lucky in the lottery.

As is this team will make the playoffs and lose in the first round, possibly second round, but what good does that do as it just prolongs rebuilding (by making the pick this year worse).  

Who would have taken those guys (who had the cap room?)? It's not as easy as holding a "fire sale" and sticking a prioe tag on Ray or KG. Those guys cost too much money. The Playoffs is a new season. Who's ever hot going in can make some noise. Let's hope Danny can find some "bought out" big man who can give us some meaningful minutes off the bench.
Indiana gladly would have taken Allen, but Danny wanted Hansbrough and a 1st.  

He should have just offered one or the other and we wouldn't have even needed salary.  

O'Neal would have been easy to unload for someone.

Garnett would have obviously been more difficult to trade given his massive salary, but there were trades out there maybe something centered around Camby and Matthews (give them Garnett and maybe the Clippers pick).  

Instead of Wallace, maybe you make the deal with the Nets and send them Pierce (maybe the pick has to be protected a bit more if Pierce is involved).

The thing is Danny wasn't willing to just throw in the towel.  He wanted as close to true value as possible rather than wanting to unload.  If he wanted to unload he easily could have added pieces.


Or you go the other way and take on salary and try to compete now like say O'Neal for Blatche (or something like that) and trades similar to that, where you just go all in and try to get the team over the top and destroy the cap space this summer.
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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2012, 05:04:47 PM »

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op is an idiot. he probably thinks the nets got a good deal in acquiring gerald wallace for a potential number 4 draft pick.  ???

Classy calling me an idiot. I think that trade was awful actually . I just think that Nene for McGee is robbery by Denver. McGee will end up being brilliant. Mark my words.

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2012, 05:06:40 PM »

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op is an idiot. he probably thinks the nets got a good deal in acquiring gerald wallace for a potential number 4 draft pick.  ???

Classy calling me an idiot. I think that trade was awful actually . I just think that Nene for McGee is robbery by Denver. McGee will end up being brilliant. Mark my words.
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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2012, 05:06:45 PM »

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We needed to either tank to get a great lottery pick or try for a home run for this season.

You usually can't tank to get a great lottery pick overnight.  You usually get there by drafting poorly in the mid-to-late lottery for a couple of seasons.  Unless you kneecap Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo so they miss a season, it's usually going to take a couple of years of draft busts or a lucky ping pong ball to put the Celtics in place for a top three draft pick.
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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2012, 05:12:43 PM »

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My issue is being stuck being a low seeded playoff team for years. We needed to either tank to get a great lottery pick or try for a home run for this season. We did neither. My worry is that we will have all this money and no players to spend it on. We all keep hearing how free agents have no desire to come here. That worries me along with the fact there are no decent players available as FA's this off season. We are stuck with unproven youngsters, Pierce, Rondo and if the season ended today, the 18th and 20th pick. Tell me why I should be excited?

I understand where you're coming from. We should've made some kind of move; instead we've stayed exactly as constituted: a first-round exit against either Chicago/Miami, Garnett and company raising their hand to the Boston faithful much like he did after hitting the game-winning jumper last night against GS, as we politely walk off the floor down a tunnel of darkness.

Again, as I mentioned in another thread, I believe we are aiming to try and get Austin Rivers in this year's draft. Otherwise, Doc, who never plays youth, would have no reason to have signed for such a long extension with us, knowing the big three are likely done.

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2012, 05:25:29 PM »

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I don´t have words for this.

The last time I was this disappointed was when we lost game 7 to the Lakers.

"Epic fail" is too weak to describe the Celtics´ inability to trade their stars for anything at this deadline.

This could become one of the biggest "what if´s" in the history of this franchise, along with Len Bias and the 1997 Draft. I´m totally devastated.
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Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2012, 05:44:14 PM »

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to be honest, I dont quite get being upset with danny ainge for not making a move..

would you guys want danny to move the big 3 for 50cents on the dollar?? I would expect the same people(felger etc.) would be crucifying danny for doing a bad deal...

fact is, these guys are Coming off the books this summer...danny doesnt have to make a move to "clear space" so he went to see if he could get any QUALITY youth, picks for our big 3.

the sad fact is, no one put value on those guys so danny stood pat...now he goes into thie summer with pierce, rondo, alot of capspace and 2 first round picks...not bad for a rebuilding team

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2012, 05:46:08 PM »

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Ainge really dropped the ball. He had two 1st rounders and expiring contracts worth roughly $15 million to bring in a rent-a-vet like Kaman and didn't get it done...

Re: Epic Fail
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2012, 05:47:42 PM »

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Seriously, Ainge cannot win with you people.

If he doesn't trade, you are upset because he had two first round picks and didn't flip them for value.

On the other hand, you people are also saying that the draft is the only way teams improve.

You can't have it both ways.