Epic Fail

[MosheP]

Gerald Wallace is worth a probable lottery pick. Jordan Hill is worth a first round pick. Marcus Camby. But nobody was offering picks for Allen or Pierce? Right. Maybe the picks weren't good enough. Maybe we'd need to take some salary next year.

And in that case, then you have to get at least another big. Even if you give away a second rounder for Kurt Thomas.

Here's what happened: Ainge shopped Allen/Pierce hard. When he didn't get any deal, there wasn't enough time to find help for the current team. 

[jdz101]

Glad some of the guys dissing Danny on here aren't GMs. You don't just trade away quality guys for the sake of it.

[hpantazo]

Gerald Wallace is worth a probable lottery pick. Jordan Hill is worth a first round pick. Marcus Camby. But nobody was offering picks for Allen or Pierce? Right. Maybe the picks weren't good enough. Maybe we'd need to take some salary next year.

And in that case, then you have to get at least another big. Even if you give away a second rounder for Kurt Thomas.

Here's what happened: Ainge shopped Allen/Pierce hard. When he didn't get any deal, there wasn't enough time to find help for the current team. 

thanks for the insider report. so where you sitting on Danny's left or his right when all of this happened?

[2short]

Something people forget about rookies is that they need got vets around to learn from, or else they end up like Antone Walker, Andre Blatche, and Javale Mcgee. If we had traded the big 3 for picks, who's going to show them the way? We would become the wizards overnight.

this I like!
I want kg here as long as possible, guy might have a stat line like 12 pts and 7 rebounds but he affects so much out there.  A young guy with a brain can learn so much from him, ray , paul, doc and rondo.  Keep the core, we know they will play their hearts out, we don't' want our young guys to watch the starters give up.
jjj could develop really nicely I want him to fight for every scrap that is under the table by kg

[Tradetime]

Am I surprised?  Yes.  I didn't think Danny had this much self control.

However, I also applaud Danny for the following:

1) Not making a stupid deal for a mediocre big man when he probably obtain one either via buyout or D-League.  Let's not forget that Danny may very well know Kaman is being bought out and he may even have spoken to him about coming here.  

2) Not trading the Big Three for future role players and late first round picks.  I would've been all for trading any of the Big Three for someone or something that had a shot at being a future core of a championship team.  But that simply wasn't in the cards.  

Larry Bird apparently shot down Ray for Tyler Hansborough and a first round pick. If that's true, I'm very happy.  What the heck good would that have done us?  Hansborough is averaging 9 points, 4 boards and shooting 39% from the field.  At best he's a role player on a championship team.  And guys like that a) shouldn't occupy cap space before we get our future stars, and b) are a dime a dozen and can be obtained on the free agent market or second round (see Ryan Gomes, Leon Powe, BBD, James Posey, Marquis Daniels, Mikael Pietrus, Chris Wilcox, etc.).

Secondly, the Indy pick is the 22nd pick overall right now. Here are the picks at #22 going back to 1997:

1997-Ed Gray
1998-Brian Skinner
1999-Kenny Thomas
2000-Donnell Harvey
2001-Jeryl Sasser
2002-Casey Jacobsen
2003-Zoran Planicic
2004-Viktor Khryapa
2005-Jarrett Jack
2006-Marcus Williams
2007-Jared Dudley
2008-Courtney Lee
2009-Victor Claver
2010-Eliot Williams
2011-Kenneth Faried

Thus, as you can see, the #22 pick has a long line of duds and mediocre role players.  Jarrett Jack is probably the best on that list and even he's certainly not some "can't miss" prospect that would've catapulted a team towards a title.  

And this is a deal that Bird TURNED DOWN.  

So I don't see how people can be upset with Danny.  

There was absolutely no point in breaking up the Big Three to get pieces that were a) going to be mediocre role players or b) likely weren't even going to be mediocre role player long term for us, since there's no way Danny was going to waste valuable cap space to sign a guy like Hansborough when his contract is up and jeopardize space for true star quality players.  

This just goes to show that we aren't the only franchise in the league that overvalues its players.

[BballTim]

So wait. Isn't Danny Ainge the same guy who said he wasn't going to make the same mistake that Red made and end up with three aging superstars? Guess he must have changed his mind.  Maybe there was nothing he could do, but it makes no sense. This team's front court is so weak it is painful. Danny must be happy with a first or second round out in the playoffs.

our old guys are expiring in a couple of months, so I think Danny will be happy with the cap space and two 1st rounders in a deep draft. He was a wise man and planned well, there was no need to panic

Just curious, what superstars will be available for that cap space? Answer, none.

  Does that include trades? Why do so many people here know exactly who's going to be available over the next year or so?

[MBunge]

Gerald Wallace is worth a probable lottery pick.

I will bet you a billion dollars that if Ainge had been offered that Nets deal, he would have taken it without hesitation.

Mike

[JSD]

Ainge really dropped the ball. He had two 1st rounders and expiring contracts worth roughly $15 million to bring in a rent-a-vet like Kaman and didn't get it done...

Having the kind of GM who would be willing to trade two first rounders for a rental of Kaman is probably the quickest way to the lottery.

Or one who understands there isn't too much value in those picks.

[Lucky17]

Ainge really dropped the ball. He had two 1st rounders and expiring contracts worth roughly $15 million to bring in a rent-a-vet like Kaman and didn't get it done...

Having the kind of GM who would be willing to trade two first rounders for a rental of Kaman is probably the quickest way to the lottery.

Or one who understands there isn't too much value in those picks.

There's potential value in any 1st round pick.

[Celtics18]

Phew, I'm relieved that's over.

[JSD]

Ainge really dropped the ball. He had two 1st rounders and expiring contracts worth roughly $15 million to bring in a rent-a-vet like Kaman and didn't get it done...

Having the kind of GM who would be willing to trade two first rounders for a rental of Kaman is probably the quickest way to the lottery.

Or one who understands there isn't too much value in those picks.

There's potential value in any 1st round pick.

Obviously. But in this situation it is not that simple. To me, it comes down to what offers of a better opportunity to win a championship:

A) Adding Kaman to this squad for the rest of the year, the playoffs.

or

B) The Clipper's 1st round pick (likely 20 something)

[MosheP]

Gerald Wallace is worth a probable lottery pick.

I will bet you a billion dollars that if Ainge had been offered that Nets deal, he would have taken it without hesitation.

Mike

None of us can know what type of offers he got, but he surely got some.

If he wasn't going to spend not even a couple of seconds adding some depth to the big man rotation, he should have cashed on whatever offers he got.

[blink]

In my opinion this and the thread itself is plain and simple over-reaction.  If DA could have gotten value for Ray or anyone he would have.  Don't you guys watch the other just barely out of the playoffs teams?  Lots of them are in that area because they overpaid for non-elite talent.  DA has a choice right now not to do that.  I don't understand why this is so hard for some people to understand?

epic fail?  epic overreaction by this board.

I don´t have words for this.

The last time I was this disappointed was when we lost game 7 to the Lakers.

"Epic fail" is too weak to describe the Celtics´ inability to trade their stars for anything at this deadline.

This could become one of the biggest "what if´s" in the history of this franchise, along with Len Bias and the 1997 Draft. I´m totally devastated.

[azzenfrost]

NOT an epic fail in my opinion. We have one need. A center. There were no deals that could have gotten us that without screwing with what we already have.

[dlpin]

Obviously. But in this situation it is not that simple. To me, it comes down to what offers of a better opportunity to win a championship:

A) Adding Kaman to this squad for the rest of the year, the playoffs.

or

B) The Clipper's 1st round pick (likely 20 something)

The clippers first round pick, hands down. The likelihood of finding a solid contributor at 20 in this deep draft is higher than the likelihood of Kaman being the missing piece to a contender.

Not to mention that Kaman might get bought out and come to boston anyways.


Seriously, doing deals for the sake of doing deals is why Detroit is the way it is.