Epic Fail

[OmarSekou]

Terrible day. We won't get to the playoffs for another 7 years. We won't get to the finals for another 62. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I hope you're happy Danny. We could have easily had a title this year and won for at least 5 years in a row after that if we'd made some trades.

I'll keep watching the Celtics, but only to criticize the players and decisions the team makes. If they win I'll celebrate, but we'll all know it was luck. I can't wait until we can cut Paul Pierce or give him up for a 2nd rounder and cap space. I wish we could re-sign Larry Bird and Bill Russell so we can cut them and let all these players know that loyalty means nothing. Legacy means nothing. Winning is all that matters. Dwight Howard is a punk who'll never win anything. Unless he comes to the Celtics. And if he doesn't win here it will just prove that he's a punk which is something we already know.

I just hope I'm alive in 2074.

[Tai]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

Assuming Ainge really did want Hansborough + their 1st for Ray, the Pacers would be pick #25 (assuming I compared their record right) if the season ended today. That's worth giving up Ray for when we already have two first round picks??? Hansborough isn't even averaging double-digit points or five rebounds per game.

That deal is barely serviceable for the C's, and Larry thought that was too much??? Fair enough. Telling me that's your example of Danny overvaluing assets is ludicrous. Like someone else said, Larry seems to overvalue just as much.

I think you and the majority of people in this topic need to re-evaluate what rebuilding really means.

[thestackshow]

Man im just p---ed we didnt get Camby...he was exactly what this team needed, he was a beast rebounder and played defense just like perkins! Hes BETTER then perkins in my opinion and we missed out.

[LooseCannon]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

If Ainge had a choice of a second round pick, Tyler Hansbrough (but he might have to kick in a second round pick), or do nothing, what would you prefer?  I suspect that there Larry Bird really wanted to hold on to his first round pick and was unwilling to even bother with making a counter offer of just the first.

Maybe Ainge should have tried to give Ray Allen to Indiana for a couple of second round picks then used the resulting trade exception to trade one of those picks for Boris Diaw.

[Lucky17]

Man im just p---ed we didnt get Camby...he was exactly what this team needed, he was a beast rebounder and played defense just like perkins! Hes BETTER then perkins in my opinion and we missed out.

What would you have given up for Camby?

Keep in mind, it has to be better than Flynn and Thabeet, plus the Wolves 2012 2nd rounder.

[jdz101]

Man im just p---ed we didnt get Camby...he was exactly what this team needed, he was a beast rebounder and played defense just like perkins! Hes BETTER then perkins in my opinion and we missed out.

Yeah I must admit Camby would have been an excellent fit.

[MosheP]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

Assuming Ainge really did want Hansborough + their 1st for Ray, the Pacers would be pick #25 (assuming I compared their record right) if the season ended today. That's worth giving up Ray for when we already have two first round picks???

Obviously. In fact, it's much more than Ray's value: that's why no deal was made.

Do you prefer to let Ray walk for nothing this off-season? Because that's what going to happen.

[MosheP]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

If Ainge had a choice of a second round pick, Tyler Hansbrough (but he might have to kick in a second round pick), or do nothing, what would you prefer?  I suspect that there Larry Bird really wanted to hold on to his first round pick and was unwilling to even bother with making a counter offer of just the first.

Maybe Ainge should have tried to give Ray Allen to Indiana for a couple of second round picks then used the resulting trade exception to trade one of those picks for Boris Diaw.

What would be the point of acquiring Boris Diaw after trading Ray Allen?

That would make as much sense as not trading Ray Allen and not acquiring Diaw (or any other solid big man): none at all. Tremendous failure by Ainge.

[Lucky17]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

Assuming Ainge really did want Hansborough + their 1st for Ray, the Pacers would be pick #25 (assuming I compared their record right) if the season ended today. That's worth giving up Ray for when we already have two first round picks???

Obviously. In fact, it's much more than Ray's value: that's why no deal was made.

Do you prefer to let Ray walk for nothing this off-season? Because that's what going to happen.

Or, by keeping his Bird Rights, the Celtics can match any offer out there for Ray. Because that's just as likely to happen.

[MosheP]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

Assuming Ainge really did want Hansborough + their 1st for Ray, the Pacers would be pick #25 (assuming I compared their record right) if the season ended today. That's worth giving up Ray for when we already have two first round picks???

Obviously. In fact, it's much more than Ray's value: that's why no deal was made.

Do you prefer to let Ray walk for nothing this off-season? Because that's what going to happen.

Or, by keeping his Bird Rights, the Celtics can match any offer out there for Ray. Because that's just as likely to happen.

Ray Allen will be an unrestricted free-agent. The Celtics can offer him whatever they want, but if he wants to go to play for a contender there's nothing they can do to stop him. Do you really believe they are interested in re-signing him? After shopping him now? 

[Lucky17]

There were plenty of draft picks being given for expiring vets.

What we kept hearing was that Ainge was asking for too much. We heard over and over, from Larry Bird a couple of weeks ago to Woj today, that he was asking for a young prospect plus a draft pick for Ray Allen.

Had he settled for a late first rounder, I strongly suspect Allen would have been traded.

Ainge overvalued his assets and ended up with nothing.

Assuming Ainge really did want Hansborough + their 1st for Ray, the Pacers would be pick #25 (assuming I compared their record right) if the season ended today. That's worth giving up Ray for when we already have two first round picks???

Obviously. In fact, it's much more than Ray's value: that's why no deal was made.

Do you prefer to let Ray walk for nothing this off-season? Because that's what going to happen.

Or, by keeping his Bird Rights, the Celtics can match any offer out there for Ray. Because that's just as likely to happen.

Ray Allen will be an unrestricted free-agent. The Celtics can offer him whatever they want, but if he wants to go to play for a contender there's nothing they can do to stop him. Do you really believe they are interested in re-signing him? After shopping him now?  

He came back after "being shopped" two years ago.

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=4926783

I fully expect Ray Allen back with the team next season.

For the record, I also expect Rondo, Pierce, and KG all back next season too.

[arambone]

Yeah Man, they're not dieing to uproot their families when they like their coach, teammates, personal prestige, and overall comfort.

These aren't a bunch of young egos.

[EDWARDO]

Seems we have people who are furious we didn't upgrade our chance of winning from 2% to 3% by trading away assets and others furious we didn't dump Allen for pennies on the dollar.

Underrated aspect of dealing him is that if he goes to LA, he likely wouldn't be back next year. By not trading him, I think he's much more likely to re-sign here. Would have taken Bledsoe and a #1, but not just a bunch of nobodies and a #2...

[dlpin]

Obviously. In fact, it's much more than Ray's value: that's why no deal was made.

Do you prefer to let Ray walk for nothing this off-season? Because that's what going to happen.

Yes. I would much rather have the cap space created with Ray leaving than tying it up in two nobodies who would do nothing for the team long or short term.

[Casperian]

Seems we have people who are furious we didn't upgrade our chance of winning from 2% to 3% by trading away assets and others furious we didn't dump Allen for pennies on the dollar.

Pennies on the dollar is still more than nothing, which is exactly what we´ll get when we let these guys ride into the sunset.

Yes. I would much rather have the cap space created with Ray leaving than tying it up in two nobodies who would do nothing for the team long or short term.

...to do what exactly?