Rumor: Rondo/O'Neal for Gasol

[LakersFan_33]

Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

[goCeltics]

IF ur going to trade rondo as in the another thread I started i rather trade for a younger player with upside rather than 31 old gasol making $46 million next two years (with the trade kicker). For instance tykee evans or cousins, who you may be able to get along side another prospect or possibly draft picks with. Favors/Kanter would also be better targets. Another possible target i rather have than gasol would be paul millsap. Btw right now i wouldn't do a rondo/millsap trade.

What people are also forgetting that getting gasol actually takes u out of the deron/dwight sweepstakes, combined paul+gasol would make $39 million next year. So no way u'll have enough cap space to sign both.

Do ppl here want to have nearly $40 mill next year allocated to a what would be then a 32 year old pf and a 35 year old sf with alot of miles on their legs?

[goCeltics]

If u are going to purse gasol i think the laker would value a mo williams, bledsoe combination more because of playing style than getting just getting rondo back especially if u added bass and offered to take back waltons contract.

u could possibly get mo williams and bledsoe by offering ray allen or paul plus dooling. If paul we would take ryan gomes contract at the same time

for example

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76g3o9y

or

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72g2ne2

[Change]

Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

If you were Mitch Kupchak and a drunk Danny Ainge called proposed Rajon Rondo for Gasol trade. You'd be jumping for joy trying to finalize the deal before DA gains consciousness.

[kozlodoev]

Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

If you were Mitch Kupchak and a drunk Danny Ainge called proposed Rajon Rondo for Gasol trade. You'd be jumping for joy trying to finalize the deal before DA gains consciousness.

Overvaluing Rondo much?

[birdbrady]

Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

If you were Mitch Kupchak and a drunk Danny Ainge called proposed Rajon Rondo for Gasol trade. You'd be jumping for joy trying to finalize the deal before DA gains consciousness.

Dude, stop overrating Rondo's value.

The only reason why the Lakers are (thinking of) offering Gasol is because of how dire their need at PG is right now.

Rondo couldn't get half as much if the Celtics were to trade him anywhere else right now.

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Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

If you were Mitch Kupchak and a drunk Danny Ainge called proposed Rajon Rondo for Gasol trade. You'd be jumping for joy trying to finalize the deal before DA gains consciousness.

Overvaluing Rondo much?

We're talking about Celtics best player Vs Lakers 3rd best player. We're talking about

NBA Champion (2008)
3× NBA All-Star (2010–2012)
2× All-Defensive First Team (2010–2011)
All-Defensive Second Team (2009)

By way he just turned 26 last Wednesday.

[Evantime34]

Thoughts on this rumor:
1. It absolutely makes us better right now. This team if built to slow the game down and win with defense. Rondo isn't exactly a great fit stylistically for this current team.
2. If we can get a first as part of the deal I think it becomes more viable, three firsts in a stacked draft early would help us move towards the future.
3. I know there are a wide range of views on avery bradley but his growth this year makes me think that he could be our pg for a long time if we move rondo.
4. It would hurt to see rondo in gold.
5. Just the thought of adding someone with a post up game is enticing.
6. Think of all the easy shots our bigs miss. Gasol dunks all those.

[Celtics4ever]

I too think this is Danny's deal to keep us competitive now.  Our guys would take one more shot as they are now.  It's the only reason to make this trade.

[SHAQATTACK]

I see one other way we can get Gasol.... if Orlando takes him in some deal,. they won't keep him...they trade him off for assets .

I think Danny would see if he can fleece Orlando out of Gasol if he goes there.

[Donoghus]

Here's my unbiased take on this from a Lakers fan. Even though Pau has been playing better lately, and even though he has surprisingly kept his stats close to what they have been when he was in his prime, he's just not as good as he was for us in 08-09 and in 09/10. Maybe some of this has to do with Kobe shot-jacking this season and Bynum getting a much bigger role, but it is what it is. With that said, I still think he's capable of playing great and playing at that high level consistently.

Conversely, even though I love Rondo's game and loved what he did against Cleveland especially, I think that the fit wouldn't be the most ideal on my team because of the lack of consistent outside shooting. Teams exceed tremendously defensively against the Lakers, by collapsing on Gasol, Bynum and Kobe (major plus for the other team is also that Kobe will sometimes still try to score over two players, and that's where he gets a lot of his bad shooting nights) and daring either their Point Guard, Shooting Guard or Bench to make a shot - So far, it's been really effective and it is, IMO, why the Lakers were beat so easily by the Mavericks last year. Just my take.

Nice to see a Lakers fan take on it.

[gpap]

IF ur going to trade rondo as in the another thread I started i rather trade for a younger player with upside rather than 31 old gasol making $46 million next two years (with the trade kicker). For instance tykee evans or cousins, who you may be able to get along side another prospect or possibly draft picks with. Favors/Kanter would also be better targets. Another possible target i rather have than gasol would be paul millsap. Btw right now i wouldn't do a rondo/millsap trade.

What people are also forgetting that getting gasol actually takes u out of the deron/dwight sweepstakes, combined paul+gasol would make $39 million next year. So no way u'll have enough cap space to sign both.

Do ppl here want to have nearly $40 mill next year allocated to a what would be then a 32 year old pf and a 35 year old sf with alot of miles on their legs?

1.) Dwight Howard and Deron are NOT signing here

2.)I don't think Sacramento trades Tyreke and Cousins for Rondo. Also, I am having a hard time believing that a package of Evans/Cousins brings you better value than Gasol.

3.)Utah doesn't trade Kanter/Favors for Rondo. If they give up anyone it's Milsap. Also, with how well Milsap is playing this year, I am not even sure of that. I've heard nothing about Utah looking to trade any of their big men.

4.) Getting Gasol is absolutely the best value you're going to receive for Rondo. He's not going to get you any player in the league.

[cman88]

you know what I find funny, back when the lakers were about to acquire Chris paul by trading gasol/odom...most here called it a horrible deal, trading 2 declining players in their 30s with albatross contracts for a young 20+ superstar.

while Rondo isnt on cP3's level...its the same deal. you are trading a 26year old allstar Point guard with maybe 8-10years left in the league..

for a 30+ powerforward who only has maybe half as much left in the league with a 20+million$$ contract...now imagine next year we have pierce at 15million and gasol at 20+million$ eating at our cap...ya this looks like a good deal to attract young players here...

this trade would be even worse than the perkins-Green trade...if only because ainge effectively makes us older and hinders our capspace

IF rondo is traded, I would much rather have it be for young "potential" than another 30year old...this trade is bad for the celtics on every level..it could set us back for years..

[goCeltics]

IF ur going to trade rondo as in the another thread I started i rather trade for a younger player with upside rather than 31 old gasol making $46 million next two years (with the trade kicker). For instance tykee evans or cousins, who you may be able to get along side another prospect or possibly draft picks with. Favors/Kanter would also be better targets. Another possible target i rather have than gasol would be paul millsap. Btw right now i wouldn't do a rondo/millsap trade.

What people are also forgetting that getting gasol actually takes u out of the deron/dwight sweepstakes, combined paul+gasol would make $39 million next year. So no way u'll have enough cap space to sign both.

Do ppl here want to have nearly $40 mill next year allocated to a what would be then a 32 year old pf and a 35 year old sf with alot of miles on their legs?

1.) Dwight Howard and Deron are NOT signing here

2.)I don't think Sacramento trades Tyreke and Cousins for Rondo. Also, I am having a hard time believing that a package of Evans/Cousins brings you better value than Gasol.

3.)Utah doesn't trade Kanter/Favors for Rondo. If they give up anyone it's Milsap. Also, with how well Milsap is playing this year, I am not even sure of that. I've heard nothing about Utah looking to trade any of their big men.

4.) Getting Gasol is absolutely the best value you're going to receive for Rondo. He's not going to get you any player in the league.

1) how do you know this? cap room has value of itself anyways, this is the presti move, he trade ray for a pick.

2) i used OR not AND, we can get evans + pick for rondo or cousins + pick for rondo. much have either two and have about $20 million in cap room next TWO years EACH. Same as goes for kanter or favors. you wanna get a big, millsap is a much smarter option anyhows and costs about $16 million less next year.

BTW Utah is desparetly trying to get a pg, they have young bigs, what area would u want to improve, if u were them?

3) 31 year old big earning 20+ million plus are poor options, ball players go south after they get to 30 especially bigs, think mchale, how good was he after 88? horace grant after 1996? garnett after 2007? list goes on and on.

[winsomme]

The good news about this trade rumor is that Danny recognizes that this team needs another legit big to compete and that the upcoming FA is not going to get you a better core than we have now in PP, Ray, and KG. They are not the problem. The "over-the-hill" mantra is just not right.

The bad news is that we'd have to give up Rondo to get the big.

I really think we should have been able to replace Perk without trading Rondo and I'm not sure why it hasn't happened. But maybe this at least means that Danny is willing to figure out a way to make another run with the Big 3 and POSSIBLY get a big without giving up Rondo.