Ray Allen Trade Ideas

[Evantime34]

"Sources say that should the #Celtics decide to break up the roster, it is Ray Allen, not Rajon Rondo, who has generated the most interest."

- sean deveny

Hopefully the strong interest raises his price. I think ray is the most likely to go because he has a moderate expiring contract  and has one elite skill that would be better utilized on a different team.

[Chris]

"Sources say that should the #Celtics decide to break up the roster, it is Ray Allen, not Rajon Rondo, who has generated the most interest."

- sean deveny

Hopefully the strong interest raises his price. I think ray is the most likely to go because he has a moderate expiring contract  and has one elite skill that would be better utilized on a different team.

This is not surprising.  Allen is a guy most contenders could use, and my guess is that teams believe that he can be had for a reasonable price.  It will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pay a premium for him though.

[Evantime34]

"Sources say that should the #Celtics decide to break up the roster, it is Ray Allen, not Rajon Rondo, who has generated the most interest."

- sean deveny

Hopefully the strong interest raises his price. I think ray is the most likely to go because he has a moderate expiring contract  and has one elite skill that would be better utilized on a different team.

This is not surprising.  Allen is a guy most contenders could use, and my guess is that teams believe that he can be had for a reasonable price.  It will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pay a premium for him though.

The important question is, what is a premium. I think that he should at least net us a future first where other posters believe he is only worth a trade exception and a second

[birdbrady]

To me the ideal trade, if Minnesota is down with it, is clearly Ray for a trade exception, and their pick lottery protected.

IF they are down with it.  Same with a trade to Indiana too.

Btw, I think this shows more about Rondo than it does about Ray's trade value.  There are at least some teams calling for Ray.  No one besides maybe LA is even calling for Rondo (another reason to make the Rondo for Gasol swap if its on the table right now.)

[Who]

"Sources say that should the #Celtics decide to break up the roster, it is Ray Allen, not Rajon Rondo, who has generated the most interest."

- sean deveny

Hopefully the strong interest raises his price. I think ray is the most likely to go because he has a moderate expiring contract  and has one elite skill that would be better utilized on a different team.

This is not surprising.  Allen is a guy most contenders could use, and my guess is that teams believe that he can be had for a reasonable price.  It will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pay a premium for him though.

The important question is, what is a premium. I think that he should at least net us a future first where other posters believe he is only worth a trade exception and a second

I think most agree Ray is worth a late first rounder but not necessarily a mid-first round pick.

[Chris]

"Sources say that should the #Celtics decide to break up the roster, it is Ray Allen, not Rajon Rondo, who has generated the most interest."

- sean deveny

Hopefully the strong interest raises his price. I think ray is the most likely to go because he has a moderate expiring contract  and has one elite skill that would be better utilized on a different team.

This is not surprising.  Allen is a guy most contenders could use, and my guess is that teams believe that he can be had for a reasonable price.  It will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to pay a premium for him though.

The important question is, what is a premium. I think that he should at least net us a future first where other posters believe he is only worth a trade exception and a second

I think most agree Ray is worth a late first rounder.

But not necessarily a mid-first round pick (or better).

I think this is what most other teams would think (which is why there is so much interest).  I have a feeling Danny would disagree, since keeping Ray might directly result in enough extra revenue through playoffs, etc. to simply buy a late first rounder if they really wanted to. 

[pearljammer10]

Yeah im sorry, i dont like any of those deals. I do give you applause for taking the time to try however, good work.

[LooseCannon]

The important question is, what is a premium. I think that he should at least net us a future first where other posters believe he is only worth a trade exception and a second

A trade exception doesn't matter too much because the Celtics would have to renounce it this summer if the team used cap space to sign free agents.

One example of a trade that involved a rental of a veteran for the last months of the season was last year when Houston traded Shane Battier and Ishmael Smith for DeMarre Carroll, Hashem Thabeet, and a first-round pick.

Thabeet had a guaranteed contract for 2011-2012, so I think the market for a rental is set at a non-lottery first-round pick if you take back salary committed to next season from a player unlikely to contribute.  So, if you don't take on that salary, then it seems logical to me that the pick gets down-graded to a second-round pick.

For example, if you have visions of getting a first-round pick in a deal with Chicago, I don't think the Bulls should agree unless they get to dump Rip Hamilton's contract (two more years at $5m per, the last partially guaranteed for $1m).  And if you get a first, it would certainly be the Bulls' own pick and not the protected Bobcats pick.

[clover]

The Pacers would love to have Ray Allen. I just can't imagine them sacrificing a long term piece to get him.

The C's could easily get a trade exception from them for Ray.

As long as they don't have a better option to spend the cap space, particularly on a big.

- Foster plays very sporadically due to his back injury.
- Hansbrough doesn't show any signs of improvement on his very low scoring efficiency while being an awful rebounder and passer.
- Amundson is a fringe rotation player.
- Hibbert is limited by stamina issues and bad matchups. He'll never play more than 30 mpg.

Even though they need a legitimate 3rd wing, I'd say that for the same price, they'd take Kaman over Ray Allen. I doubt they'd spend an unprotected pick on any of them.

How often did the C's play Perk more than 25?

[snively]

The important question is, what is a premium. I think that he should at least net us a future first where other posters believe he is only worth a trade exception and a second

A trade exception doesn't matter too much because the Celtics would have to renounce it this summer if the team used cap space to sign free agents.

One example of a trade that involved a rental of a veteran for the last months of the season was last year when Houston traded Shane Battier and Ishmael Smith for DeMarre Carroll, Hashem Thabeet, and a first-round pick.

Thabeet had a guaranteed contract for 2011-2012, so I think the market for a rental is set at a non-lottery first-round pick if you take back salary committed to next season from a player unlikely to contribute.  So, if you don't take on that salary, then it seems logical to me that the pick gets down-graded to a second-round pick.

For example, if you have visions of getting a first-round pick in a deal with Chicago, I don't think the Bulls should agree unless they get to dump Rip Hamilton's contract (two more years at $5m per, the last partially guaranteed for $1m).  And if you get a first, it would certainly be the Bulls' own pick and not the protected Bobcats pick.

Chicago's pick is sure to be one of the very last in the 1st round, and their 2nd rounder practically worthless.  I think they'd be willing to trade Korver/Brewer and their 1st rounder for something like Ray/Daniels. 

[LooseCannon]

My offer would probably be something like Allen/Pavlovic/Moore/1st round pick for Korver/Brewer/Butler/1st round pick.

I would also consider asking for a future Bulls pick instead of one for this year.

[snively]

My offer would probably be something like Allen/Pavlovic/Moore/1st round pick for Korver/Brewer/Butler/1st round pick.

I would also consider asking for a future Bulls pick instead of one for this year.

Unless you really like Butler, I think that's a pretty terrible deal for the Celtics.  They give up the best player and they probably downgrade their pick.

[Who]

My offer would probably be something like Allen/Pavlovic/Moore/1st round pick for Korver/Brewer/Butler/1st round pick.

I would also consider asking for a future Bulls pick instead of one for this year.

Unless you really like Butler, I think that's a pretty terrible deal for the Celtics.  They give up the best player and they probably downgrade their pick.

Took me a good minute to figure out who the hell Butler is. Jimmy Butler. Right, okay.

Yeah, that's a really bad deal for Boston.

[nickagneta]

Btw, I think this shows more about Rondo than it does about Ray's trade value.  There are at least some teams calling for Ray.  No one besides maybe LA is even calling for Rondo (another reason to make the Rondo for Gasol swap if its on the table right now.)

Or what it could show is Danny's valuing Rajon Rondo much more than Ray Allen as a future piece to this team and is less willing to move him.

We never heard a single rumor about Perkins before he got traded so I don't think we can assume the only thing Danny has been offered for Rondo is Gasol, especially given the sources of the rumor. My guess is Danny is getting a lot of high value offers for Rondo but just not enough to move him as they value him highly.

[slamtheking]

My offer would probably be something like Allen/Pavlovic/Moore/1st round pick for Korver/Brewer/Butler/1st round pick.

I would also consider asking for a future Bulls pick instead of one for this year.

Unless you really like Butler, I think that's a pretty terrible deal for the Celtics.  They give up the best player and they probably downgrade their pick.

Took me a good minute to figure out who the hell Butler is. Jimmy Butler. Right, okay.

Yeah, that's a really bad deal for Boston.

completely agree, absolutely garbage deal for Boston.  they give up the best player and the best pick (theirs or the Clips') for what?  3 non-factors and a pick that will probably be one of the 3 last ones in the draft?